schooling a commy and payign kids to get As awesom rant

(1:43:26 PM) The topic for #gobolinux is: Latest tools are Compile 1.13.3 and Scripts 2.10.2 | Stable LiveCD is 014.01 | LiveCD snapshot is available at http://karlsson.sytes.net/gobo/015/iso/GoboLinux-20100214.iso (1:43:34 PM) lawful_evil: hows the communism folks? (1:49:30 PM) shevy: lawful_evil communism killed gobolinux :( (1:52:01 PM) lawful_evil: 14? (1:52:03 PM) MinceR: well, in a way it did, i guess (1:52:04 PM) lawful_evil: is 15 out? (1:52:18 PM) lawful_evil: iwll it rise as pheonix (1:52:34 PM) lawful_evil: I suggested today than illumian use gobolinux packaing sysem (1:52:37 PM) lawful_evil: they not amused (1:52:42 PM) lawful_evil: soalris bastards (1:54:53 PM) shevy: 15 will never happen (1:55:09 PM) shevy: we should set a closing year for gobolinux to keep the memories (1:57:44 PM) lawful_evil: shevy ever been to pattaya beach? (1:57:56 PM) shevy: never heard that name before (1:58:05 PM) lawful_evil: you should look into it (1:58:18 PM) lawful_evil: I forgot are u like a seattle student? (1:58:27 PM) shevy: never been to the USA before (1:59:48 PM) lawful_evil: are you australian? (2:00:19 PM) shevy: no (2:00:35 PM) lawful_evil: mm (2:00:40 PM) lawful_evil: italain? (2:00:46 PM) shevy: no (2:01:06 PM) lawful_evil: mmmm (2:01:10 PM) lawful_evil: russian? (2:02:29 PM) shevy: no (2:03:21 PM) lawful_evil: english? (2:03:27 PM) lawful_evil: I give up (2:10:38 PM) shevy: man (2:10:41 PM) shevy: we spoke before (2:10:45 PM) shevy: did you forget Schwarzenegger? (2:14:08 PM) lawful_evil: arnold? (2:14:11 PM) lawful_evil: what about him? (2:14:15 PM) lawful_evil: german? (2:15:38 PM) MinceR: no, austrian (2:17:39 PM) lawful_evil: ah (2:17:48 PM) lawful_evil: are you working as a unix admin? (2:18:51 PM) lawful_evil: or a student (2:20:16 PM) MinceR: neither (2:20:22 PM) MinceR: i'm a software engineer (2:20:43 PM) lawful_evil: working? (2:20:45 PM) lawful_evil: oh good man (2:20:52 PM) MinceR: yup (2:20:52 PM) lawful_evil: what is your work language? (2:20:57 PM) lawful_evil: java? (2:20:58 PM) MinceR: several, nowadays (2:21:00 PM) lawful_evil: perl? (2:21:03 PM) lawful_evil: well main one (2:21:07 PM) lawful_evil: one u get paid to write (2:21:11 PM) MinceR: c++, c, java, bash, csh, awk, tcl (2:21:20 PM) lawful_evil: you get paid to write tcl really? (2:21:24 PM) MinceR: yes (2:21:24 PM) lawful_evil: NICE (2:21:26 PM) lawful_evil: I love tcl (2:21:29 PM) MinceR: fortunately there wasn't much of it (2:21:30 PM) MinceR: i hate tcl (2:21:34 PM) lawful_evil: I love it (2:21:35 PM) MinceR: but not as much as c# (2:21:41 PM) lawful_evil: oh I wont work with windows (2:21:45 PM) MinceR: in 2010 i was paid to code c# (2:21:49 PM) MinceR: it was enough for life (2:21:53 PM) shevy: lol (2:21:58 PM) lawful_evil: wait mInceR are u shevy? (2:22:01 PM) MinceR: nope (2:22:06 PM) MinceR: i'm myself (2:22:10 PM) lawful_evil: ok (2:22:14 PM) shevy: I'm someone else (2:22:20 PM) MinceR: :> (2:22:21 PM) lawful_evil: shevy: you are a english student? (2:22:26 PM) shevy: no (2:30:03 PM) JamesB192 left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection). (3:09:33 PM) You are now known as the_RAT_GOD (3:37:10 PM) The account has disconnected and you are no longer in this chat. You will be automatically rejoined in the chat when the account reconnects. (3:37:48 PM) The topic for #gobolinux is: Latest tools are Compile 1.13.3 and Scripts 2.10.2 | Stable LiveCD is 014.01 | LiveCD snapshot is available at http://karlsson.sytes.net/gobo/015/iso/GoboLinux-20100214.iso (3:38:20 PM) You are now known as RATGOD (3:40:21 PM) shevy left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 244 seconds). (3:44:44 PM) The account has disconnected and you are no longer in this chat. You will be automatically rejoined in the chat when the account reconnects. (3:48:34 PM) The topic for #gobolinux is: Latest tools are Compile 1.13.3 and Scripts 2.10.2 | Stable LiveCD is 014.01 | LiveCD snapshot is available at http://karlsson.sytes.net/gobo/015/iso/GoboLinux-20100214.iso (3:52:28 PM) shevy [~shevy@178-190-79-154.adsl.highway.telekom.at] entered the room. (3:52:41 PM) lawful_evil: lol (3:52:44 PM) lawful_evil: I dont understand commies (3:52:51 PM) lawful_evil: I mean everyoen want money for free (3:52:54 PM) lawful_evil: withotu producing (3:52:59 PM) lawful_evil: but how can they jsutify it (3:53:06 PM) lawful_evil: their really ebleieve thier own bs (3:53:20 PM) lawful_evil: while denying their own ability to give all their paychek to poor and move homeless into their apartment (3:57:36 PM) shevy: ? (3:57:57 PM) shevy: whether it is communism or corporate fascism, technology will come to the rescue eventually anyway (3:58:25 PM) lawful_evil: fascismis commnism (3:58:34 PM) lawful_evil: corate fasim is resutl gf governemtn monoply (3:58:36 PM) lawful_evil: lack of omcpeition (3:58:38 PM) lawful_evil: rgith (3:58:44 PM) lawful_evil: non tek wont (3:58:48 PM) lawful_evil: cuz of debt (4:03:07 PM) shevy: such utter bullshit (4:03:31 PM) shevy: but believe in indirect "democracy" as much as you want (4:07:02 PM) lawful_evil: I dont beleive in democracy (4:07:11 PM) lawful_evil: in democraracy 51% can vote to murder 49 (4:07:21 PM) lawful_evil: and I can vote your house you built to be mine (4:07:26 PM) lawful_evil: I believe in a republic (4:07:39 PM) lawful_evil: free market ultaimte democracy (4:07:42 PM) lawful_evil: dont liek ur shit (4:07:44 PM) lawful_evil: dont buy it (4:08:53 PM) shevy: you elect a few powerful guys to rule over others (4:09:29 PM) shevy: in the middle ages you had a feudal system and slavery (4:09:52 PM) shevy: subsidies still exist in your so called "free market" (4:10:18 PM) MinceR: lawful_evil: so instead of allowing 51% to vote to murder 49%, you'd allow less than 1% to claim popular support and murder 99%? :> (4:10:35 PM) lawful_evil: whatt? (4:10:39 PM) lawful_evil: no individual rights (4:10:52 PM) lawful_evil: no you have property rights (4:10:56 PM) lawful_evil: and limited government (4:11:03 PM) lawful_evil: idea ogvernemt ets to do whaever is bs (4:11:08 PM) lawful_evil: thats the king mentality (4:11:14 PM) lawful_evil: governmetn meant to serve people (4:11:25 PM) shevy: yeah, it is nice to read those things on paper (4:13:08 PM) lawful_evil: look when governemtn spending is cut (4:13:14 PM) lawful_evil: it costs less for evryting (4:13:18 PM) lawful_evil: costs less to produce (4:13:27 PM) lawful_evil: more gets rpoduced (4:13:33 PM) lawful_evil: and everyoen better off (4:13:39 PM) shevy: the coolest thing is that you define a society over production (4:14:10 PM) shevy: like straight outta the capitalism handbook (4:14:36 PM) lawful_evil: freedom (4:14:40 PM) lawful_evil: I like it (4:14:50 PM) shevy: that is the coolest thing about Wolfowitz (4:15:16 PM) shevy: he can talk non-stop about reducing poverty globally while doing the opposite thing at the same time (4:15:28 PM) shevy: I think they are training rhetorics a lot (4:17:08 PM) shevy: after many many years (4:17:15 PM) shevy: I come to the conclusion that all operating systems suck (4:17:31 PM) MinceR: welcome to the club (4:17:44 PM) MinceR: the same is true of web browsers and email clients, by the way (4:18:10 PM) MinceR: the point is that some suck less, though :> (4:18:24 PM) shevy: yeah but I kinda feel crippled more below the base, compared to a browser... for instance, I am trying to install libreoffice right now but when I start it, it gives me an unspecific message "application has terminated" without any more information (4:18:32 PM) shevy: at least firefox works here for me still (4:18:39 PM) shevy: but openoffice or libreoffice, no dice :( (4:18:53 PM) shevy: I had a funny moment of revelation though (4:18:59 PM) shevy: I was using adobe acrobat reader for linux (4:19:08 PM) shevy: which kinda works, but it's a bit buggy. freezes sometimes when you have many .pdf (4:19:15 PM) shevy: then I realized... I can read the .pdf in firefox too (4:19:16 PM) shevy: :P (4:19:21 PM) shevy: which works better (4:20:20 PM) lawful_evil: capitalism reduces poverty better than any other ssytem tired (4:20:24 PM) lawful_evil: so says milton friedman (4:20:27 PM) lawful_evil: right (4:20:28 PM) lawful_evil: so (4:20:32 PM) lawful_evil: lets use capitalism (4:20:33 PM) lawful_evil: more (4:20:40 PM) MinceR: it's probably true (4:20:41 PM) lawful_evil: and reduce ruels n lawyers n pensions payemnts (4:20:46 PM) MinceR: but capitalism is a very wide category (4:20:55 PM) MinceR: and there are very wrong ways to do it (4:21:11 PM) shevy: lawful_evil, how about we print as much "money" as possible? (4:21:17 PM) MinceR: :D (4:21:25 PM) shevy: then we have ABOLISHED poverty. how about that? (4:21:47 PM) lawful_evil: no no (4:21:47 PM) shevy: I also like that you let other people think for you (4:21:53 PM) lawful_evil: end all governemtn priting of money (4:21:56 PM) lawful_evil: and all gov bonds (4:21:59 PM) lawful_evil: end all epnsion (4:22:04 PM) MinceR: have everyone print money at home! (4:22:04 PM) lawful_evil: end all governemtn controleld school (4:22:08 PM) shevy: where does the U.S. government print money? (4:22:14 PM) lawful_evil: reuce governemtn to defense and contract counrts basically (4:22:26 PM) lawful_evil: I think for myself (4:22:29 PM) shevy: private banks are allowed to print money, and then go and lend it to governments (4:22:32 PM) MinceR: don't they have the Fed print money, which is a privately owned company? (4:22:32 PM) lawful_evil: commie sliek you dont think critically (4:22:37 PM) lawful_evil: thats the problem really (4:22:40 PM) MinceR: oh, even more distributed, then (4:22:41 PM) lawful_evil: communism alway fails (4:22:45 PM) lawful_evil: no (4:22:49 PM) lawful_evil: money suippyl fixed (4:22:49 PM) shevy: :) (4:22:54 PM) lawful_evil: and let merket run (4:22:56 PM) lawful_evil: end the fed (4:23:04 PM) shevy: lol (4:23:06 PM) lawful_evil: end pensions (4:23:08 PM) lawful_evil: end all welfare (4:23:09 PM) shevy: you are always talking about a revolution (4:23:13 PM) shevy: and you make no progress (4:23:14 PM) shevy: every day (4:23:16 PM) lawful_evil: no im not (4:23:18 PM) shevy: don't you want to have a new goal? (4:23:23 PM) lawful_evil: im talkin about moving in right dietion (4:23:25 PM) ***MinceR starts to wonder of lawful_evil is just a MegaHAL instance that is constantly fed republican campaign messages (4:23:27 PM) shevy: something like "lose 10 pounds in 1 month"? (4:23:28 PM) lawful_evil: and stopping creepof creeps (4:23:29 PM) lawful_evil: right (4:23:33 PM) shevy: moving in right direction (4:23:35 PM) shevy: in 19582890598052 years (4:23:38 PM) shevy: great! (4:23:49 PM) shevy: haha MinceR :D (4:23:58 PM) shevy: I am listening to space odysee right now (4:24:00 PM) shevy: HAL is cool (4:24:08 PM) shevy: I need to learn how to talk like that (4:24:15 PM) MinceR: s/of/if/ (4:24:29 PM) lawful_evil: man ur spacing out (4:24:33 PM) lawful_evil: lol (4:24:40 PM) lawful_evil: capitalism is eal (4:24:41 PM) lawful_evil: it works (4:24:50 PM) lawful_evil: but governemtn goon must be restricted from thier pwoer (4:24:56 PM) lawful_evil: which they doint wana give up the free money (4:24:56 PM) MinceR: http://megahal.alioth.debian.org/ (4:24:59 PM) lawful_evil: living fofa taxpeyers (4:25:03 PM) lawful_evil: they hat giving it up (4:25:05 PM) lawful_evil: but u gota make em (4:25:09 PM) shevy: you and your "free money" (4:25:11 PM) lawful_evil: so sociecty can get richer (4:25:16 PM) shevy: how can you have "free" money with massive debts? (4:25:24 PM) lawful_evil: dont spend (4:25:28 PM) shevy: this is a global casino (4:25:29 PM) lawful_evil: lower governetmns pending (4:25:31 PM) lawful_evil: canada for example (4:25:37 PM) lawful_evil: lwoered gov spenign by 20% in 90s (4:25:44 PM) lawful_evil: debt went awy in about 5 years (4:25:46 PM) lawful_evil: :) (4:25:47 PM) shevy: wow how awesome (4:25:50 PM) lawful_evil: I wish usa would do same (4:25:53 PM) lawful_evil: then lwoer another 20 (4:25:55 PM) lawful_evil: then 3rd (4:26:00 PM) lawful_evil: that be fucking awesome (4:26:02 PM) shevy: oh let me get what you are saying (4:26:07 PM) shevy: you are saying canada is now debt free, right? (4:26:15 PM) lawful_evil: lower governemtn spedning eman more produciton and eocnomic ctivty (4:26:25 PM) lawful_evil: less penalizing success and production (4:26:30 PM) lawful_evil: less penalizing making a pahchek (4:26:32 PM) lawful_evil: right (4:26:33 PM) lawful_evil: exactly (4:26:33 PM) shevy: http://www.debtclock.ca/ hmm strange... that's quite a big number there! (4:26:37 PM) lawful_evil: so we all get richer (4:26:39 PM) lawful_evil: got it? (4:26:42 PM) lawful_evil: right!!1 (4:26:44 PM) lawful_evil: less debt (4:26:52 PM) shevy: so strange that the counter goes up (4:26:55 PM) shevy: I thought it was at 0 (4:26:57 PM) shevy: hmmmm (4:26:57 PM) lawful_evil: exaclty why we need to get rida commies liekobama (4:27:01 PM) lawful_evil: exactly!!!! (4:27:01 PM) shevy: are you lying to me lawful_evil :( (4:27:15 PM) lawful_evil: we need tog et rid of overpsending iditos liek obama is m point (4:27:19 PM) lawful_evil: yes (4:27:27 PM) shevy: whatever the puppet, it does not matter (4:27:37 PM) lawful_evil: lying? are u spacing out again? (4:27:40 PM) shevy: you replace one guy with another guy and think everything is much better now (4:27:47 PM) shevy: you said canada got rid of debt (4:27:54 PM) shevy: I showed that your statement is incorrect (4:28:17 PM) shevy: "Canada's federal debt is estimated to total $566.7 billion for the 2010?11 fiscal year, up from $463.7 billion in 2008?09." (4:28:22 PM) shevy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada (4:28:30 PM) shevy: I THOUGHT IT IS ZERO!!! (4:28:34 PM) shevy: how can you lie to me man :( (4:28:44 PM) shevy: you had the best capitalist propaganda but it still fails (4:30:35 PM) lawful_evil: 90s (4:30:37 PM) lawful_evil: foolio (4:30:39 PM) lawful_evil: dont u read (4:31:00 PM) lawful_evil: anti capitalism is what cuasesth debt (4:31:08 PM) lawful_evil: all capitalists want at least balanced budget (4:31:17 PM) lawful_evil: its governemtn nuttjob who wana spend and add too deficit (4:31:21 PM) lawful_evil: without raiding taxes (4:32:18 PM) shevy: wait a moment (4:32:28 PM) shevy: now you claim in the 1990s canada had ZERO debt? (4:32:34 PM) lawful_evil: so your solution si to deficit spend? (4:32:36 PM) lawful_evil: no (4:32:38 PM) shevy: and now it has 566.7 billion? is that what you are saying? (4:32:39 PM) lawful_evil: they reduced debt (4:32:46 PM) lawful_evil: by cuttgin spending (4:32:50 PM) shevy: hehe (4:32:51 PM) lawful_evil: ok let me goto net (4:32:53 PM) shevy: and that helped how? :) (4:32:54 PM) lawful_evil: 1 sec (4:32:57 PM) lawful_evil: i shall edcuate you (4:33:03 PM) shevy: as a matter of fact, ALL THE DEBTS WORLD WIDE ARE GROWING (4:33:07 PM) lawful_evil: then have a lugh at your propsoed solution (4:33:12 PM) shevy: it is the underlying world philosophy of the casino capitalism (4:33:15 PM) lawful_evil: yes it is becaus eof keyensiaina eocnomics (4:33:16 PM) shevy: it is virtual money (4:33:21 PM) lawful_evil: no no (4:33:24 PM) lawful_evil: its govenremtn debt (4:33:28 PM) lawful_evil: not capitalism u fool (4:33:30 PM) shevy: the key is not in the amount of numbers in the debt, but THAT YOU CAN USE IT AS A STRATEGICAL WEAPON (4:33:32 PM) lawful_evil: governmetn spendinggggg (4:33:39 PM) shevy: look at greece. they are fucked up by goldman sucks now (4:33:50 PM) shevy: they use ALL those recipes (4:33:56 PM) shevy: - reduce public spending (4:34:11 PM) shevy: the best part is, they will get a lot of money BUT this money will never go to greece. it will directly go to the debtors (4:34:15 PM) lawful_evil: no fucked because pensions > tax income (4:34:24 PM) lawful_evil: governemtn not spend too much grece be a ok (4:34:24 PM) shevy: the pensions are like 2 billions (4:34:28 PM) lawful_evil: the gov spends toomuch (4:34:31 PM) lawful_evil: do u understand that (4:34:34 PM) lawful_evil: end all pensions (4:34:34 PM) shevy: how can you do ANYTHING with 2 billions when you have 300 billions debt?! (4:34:38 PM) shevy: lol (4:34:42 PM) shevy: learn math man (4:35:24 PM) shevy: lawful_evil the world is coming to an end anyway (4:35:48 PM) shevy: what is cool about greece is that they had to buy german submarines not long ago (4:35:55 PM) shevy: germany forced them to do that (4:36:00 PM) shevy: as part of the "deal" (4:36:11 PM) shevy: germany is behaving like old nazi germany again (4:36:24 PM) lawful_evil: http://www.welshconfed.org/companyData/1898/resources/Canada%20Sweden.pdf (4:36:29 PM) lawful_evil: see portion on canada (4:38:24 PM) lawful_evil: do u agree overspending by gov is bad? (4:39:25 PM) shevy: I think indirect "democracy" is bad (4:39:50 PM) shevy: it's like you install the mafia and then wonder why things don't run the way people would want them to have (4:42:06 PM) lawful_evil: so what model would you use? (4:42:14 PM) lawful_evil: if someone wants to start a busienss (4:42:16 PM) lawful_evil: hire people (4:42:19 PM) lawful_evil: with good idea (4:42:23 PM) lawful_evil: will u tax them? (4:42:33 PM) lawful_evil: not let them fire useless employee? (4:42:42 PM) lawful_evil: amke them bu halthcare for empopyee? (4:42:51 PM) lawful_evil: I wish governemtn would provide and produce (4:42:57 PM) lawful_evil: rather than simply order others (4:43:00 PM) shevy: lawful_evil first, I would implement a hybrid way of democracy (4:43:02 PM) lawful_evil: and fine them for doing anything (4:43:06 PM) lawful_evil: i mean if u tax income (4:43:11 PM) lawful_evil: why work harder? u take more? (4:43:14 PM) lawful_evil: i mean its insane (4:43:23 PM) lawful_evil: what does that mean? (4:43:27 PM) lawful_evil: hybrid democracy (4:43:37 PM) shevy: it means that people who want to keep indirect democracy can do so (4:43:41 PM) shevy: they can elect a representative (4:44:04 PM) shevy: on the other hand, people who do not want a representative, can participate directly (and legally binding) to vote on ideas, amendments etc.. (4:44:23 PM) lawful_evil: has this been tried anywhere? (4:44:29 PM) shevy: nope (4:44:30 PM) lawful_evil: do you have a job? (4:44:31 PM) shevy: it also is not complete (4:44:42 PM) lawful_evil: how do you earn income to love? (4:44:46 PM) lawful_evil: and live? (4:44:46 PM) shevy: there would have to be a few basic rights granted to keep the system how it is (4:45:05 PM) lawful_evil: are you employed sir? (4:45:05 PM) shevy: for instance, it would not make a lot of sense if people would elect a dictatorship (4:45:29 PM) shevy: so that would not have to be allowed, otherwise the whole system would be USELESS (4:45:36 PM) lawful_evil: ok (4:45:43 PM) lawful_evil: has such a scheme ever been tried? (4:45:49 PM) lawful_evil: or are you making it up (4:45:50 PM) shevy: nope (4:45:55 PM) lawful_evil: ok (4:45:56 PM) shevy: how could it? (4:46:03 PM) shevy: 50 years ago we barely had computers (4:46:12 PM) shevy: well, we had a very few huge ones (4:46:26 PM) shevy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer (4:46:52 PM) shevy: 1941 (4:46:55 PM) shevy: "Konrad Zuse's electromechanical "Z machines". The Z3 (1941) was the first working machine featuring binary arithmetic, including floating point arithmetic and a measure of programmability. In 1998 the Z3 was proved to be Turing complete, therefore being the world's first operational computer." (4:48:35 PM) lawful_evil: what do you think about economic incentives (4:48:47 PM) lawful_evil: for example (4:48:57 PM) lawful_evil: I think a system where u get rid of teachers (4:49:01 PM) lawful_evil: have web site (4:49:07 PM) lawful_evil: adn pay students to pass certain tests (4:49:21 PM) lawful_evil: and keep studing until they get perfect score of 100 (4:49:26 PM) shevy: you pay them to pass tests? (4:49:27 PM) lawful_evil: would be better than current school (4:49:29 PM) lawful_evil: yes (4:49:30 PM) shevy: isn't it usually the other way (4:49:32 PM) lawful_evil: no classrooms (4:49:34 PM) shevy: they have to pay, in order to take a test (4:49:42 PM) lawful_evil: well thats silly (4:49:51 PM) lawful_evil: governemtn controlled school and teahcer pensionis cost a lot (4:49:54 PM) lawful_evil: take that money (4:49:55 PM) shevy: but that is how pretty everyone is doing it (4:49:59 PM) lawful_evil: spend it better (4:49:59 PM) shevy: even universities (4:50:07 PM) lawful_evil: yeah universities are inefficenient (4:50:10 PM) shevy: you want an education, you have to pay for it (4:50:22 PM) lawful_evil: that why lnus torvalds by himself made better os than those teachers