for 6B government could buy AMD

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(01:29:35 AM) azathoth99: many times many ways mery xmas
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(01:35:52 AM) ***ijchain ashok has become available
(01:36:28 AM) hat0: christmas is a special time of year, a time when people from all religions, from all walks of life, can come together and worship jesus christ
(01:42:08 AM) ijchain: I prefer inclusive fascism
(01:44:38 AM) azathoth99: monarchy might be better after what I have seen under the obama regime
(01:45:14 AM) azathoth99: I mean why would monarchy be so bad?
(01:45:45 AM) ijchain: George II's was far worse
(01:45:56 AM) azathoth99: avatar gets A on yahoo movies, why do I no longer trust yahoo movies?
(01:46:03 AM) azathoth99: well how so?
(01:46:15 AM) azathoth99: obama has more war and more debt and more unemployemnt
(01:46:19 AM) azathoth99: I want george back!
(01:49:22 AM) ijchain: yeah, little things like iraq,afghanistan and the GFC. All of which occurred before Obama was elected.
(01:51:25 AM) azathoth99: gfc?
(01:51:57 AM) azathoth99: well obama could liek end the wars, bring troosp home, and buidl wind and soalr power
(01:52:03 AM) hat0: haha, azathoth99, not an obama fan?
(01:52:08 AM) azathoth99: hire unemployed and train em to be solar and wind engineers
(01:52:12 AM) azathoth99: hell no
(01:52:48 AM) hat0: are you sure you know what the "president" can do?
(01:52:55 AM) hat0: like, what his special magic elected powers are?
(01:53:12 AM) azathoth99: yep, one is called VETO
(01:53:59 AM) hat0: he will apply VETO to build wind and solar power, hire unemployed
(01:54:11 AM) azathoth99: thats the problem
(01:54:12 AM) ijchain: the other must be 'instantly reverse the consequences of previous criminal president.'
(01:54:19 AM) hat0: it seems you've thought this one out through and through
(01:54:28 AM) azathoth99: wind n solar would add energy to grid, and pay for self in few years
(01:54:48 AM) azathoth99: colin are you australian I forget?
(01:54:58 AM) ijchain: yep
(01:55:01 AM) azathoth99: oh I was an economics major
(01:55:08 AM) azathoth99: I think about this stuff too much
(01:55:20 AM) hat0: obviously
(01:55:33 AM) azathoth99: the housing nuke was cuased by governmetn funny money
(01:55:38 AM) azathoth99: as was the great depression
(01:55:44 AM) azathoth99: rest flows from those 2 facts
(01:55:45 AM) hat0: would you like to bring back the gold standard?
(01:55:47 AM) ijchain: didn't we have some agreement about your nick, azathoth99 ?
(01:55:49 AM) azathoth99: yes
(01:55:51 AM) azathoth99: I would
(01:55:52 AM) hat0: hahahaha
(01:55:57 AM) hat0: can someone op me?
(01:56:13 AM) azathoth99: what wan my nick
(01:56:21 AM) azathoth99: Im on new pc in moms house 3000 mile from home
(01:56:28 AM) azathoth99: running linux no less
(01:56:28 AM) hat0: gavino?
(01:56:43 AM) ***ijchain colin nods
(01:56:57 AM) azathoth99: bambino!
(01:58:19 AM) azathoth99: VETO bailout, veto war, veto health without single payer
(01:58:25 AM) azathoth99: veto tarp
(01:58:42 AM) azathoth99: end fed
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(01:58:51 AM) azathoth99: basics
(01:59:04 AM) azathoth99: maybe gore shoulda run
(01:59:09 AM) azathoth99: gore might be more rational
(01:59:09 AM) hat0: "end fed" haha
(01:59:13 AM) hat0: i like how you kinda slipped that one in there
(01:59:24 AM) azathoth99: well any normal person would
(01:59:27 AM) hat0: wait, wait, the irs isn't constitutional, either
(01:59:30 AM) azathoth99: its source of legal crime
(01:59:33 AM) hat0: the 16th amendment was never properly ratified!!
(01:59:51 AM) azathoth99: well if you go that far neither is public eduction
(01:59:53 AM) hat0: wesley snipes is a political prisoner
(02:00:02 AM) azathoth99: or cap gains taxes
(02:00:05 AM) azathoth99: or death
(02:00:07 AM) azathoth99: etc.
(02:00:25 AM) hat0: man you guys are great
(02:06:39 AM) azathoth99: I dont understand other ideology
(02:07:13 AM) azathoth99: I had a friend who was a marxist professor, and old guy, and I didnt udnerstand how he would do things if e had the power
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(02:09:32 AM) hat0: maybe he wouldn't do a very good job
(02:10:00 AM) ijchain: gavino, we had an agreement wrt your nick.
(02:10:26 AM) ijchain: one part of the agreement was we wouldn't immediately ban you. The other part is that you wouldn't change your nick.
(02:10:51 AM) ijchain: Now, unless your mum's name is azathoth99, and you're using her account ...
(02:10:55 AM) You are now known as gavino
(02:11:00 AM) gavino: ok
(02:11:08 AM) ijchain: Ok.
(02:11:27 AM) gavino: 3 2 1 ..
(02:11:38 AM) ijchain: hmm?
(02:12:02 AM) gavino: amazing I am not banner
(02:12:05 AM) gavino: banned
(02:12:34 AM) ijchain: oh. Well, keep it within bounds and don't change your nick around, the rest can be handled by people hiding you if they wish.
(02:12:44 AM) gavino: hat0 what do you think is a good system of government, I can switch to talking about software if this is too offtop, butI find it interesting
(02:14:00 AM) gavino: colin compiments on wub
(02:14:09 AM) gavino: looks like it is growing strong
(02:14:15 AM) ijchain: Thanks. It's getting there.
(02:14:54 AM) hat0: gavino i'm a communist. in fact, if there were a level beyond communist, that's me. i'm a firm believer in a strong central government that tends to the needs of its people.
(02:15:20 AM) gavino: and entrepreneurs? those who say would work 3 times as much for 3x the $$?
(02:15:37 AM) ijchain: they would if I were in charge of the world!
(02:15:51 AM) hat0: i'd send them to the mines
(02:16:02 AM) ijchain: for 1/3rd the $$$
(02:16:15 AM) ijchain: I'd make them eat whatever they dug up
(02:16:23 AM) gavino: so what happens when no one does anything
(02:16:40 AM) hat0: yeah, "work 3 times as much" is some sort of unpleasant fiction - they work no harder than anyone, they just skim off the top of others' work.
(02:16:51 AM) gavino: everyone slacks, yet gov has to give each his supplies, yet none have been produced
(02:16:53 AM) gavino: ..
(02:16:56 AM) ijchain: expropriation as a career
(02:17:03 AM) hat0: but why would that happen, gavino? why would no one do anything?
(02:17:10 AM) ijchain: I'd still write code.
(02:17:19 AM) gavino: cuz rather play vid games
(02:17:31 AM) gavino: smoke weed
(02:17:33 AM) gavino: have sex
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(02:17:38 AM) ijchain: I'd shoot slackers in my free time.
(02:17:43 AM) gavino: lol
(02:17:54 AM) gavino: I mean if governmetn provies why get outa bed in morning?
(02:18:07 AM) ijchain: I'd still get out of bed in the morning.
(02:18:17 AM) gavino: I too would get bored and go do something.
(02:18:31 AM) hat0: i'd get out of bed in the morning, too.
(02:18:41 AM) ijchain: right. and then we could shoot all the slackers.
(02:18:51 AM) gavino: how define one?
(02:18:54 AM) ijchain: actually, I'd rather shoot the people who go to bed early and get up early.
(02:18:56 AM) hat0: i really don't see why people would stop doing things, just because they're no longer terrified of starving to death.
(02:19:01 AM) gavino: what if someone thinks they should be paid for rap music
(02:19:19 AM) gavino: or poetry
(02:19:26 AM) hat0: why not?
(02:19:30 AM) hat0: the world needs art
(02:19:34 AM) ijchain: workers should own the means of production
(02:19:45 AM) gavino: ok say they do
(02:19:59 AM) gavino: what if they dont then dig with the shovel but go read poetry
(02:20:01 AM) ijchain: and also most of the productive capacity is mechanised.
(02:20:14 AM) ijchain: so how many people do you think actually swing a shovel these days?
(02:20:15 AM) gavino: and machines procued by giant organzied factories
(02:20:25 AM) gavino: produced
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(02:20:27 AM) ijchain: the factories should be owned by the workers
(02:21:00 AM) gavino: ok so governmetn nationalize say AMD
(02:21:09 AM) gavino: I mean with TARP funds probly could eh
(02:21:24 AM) gavino: then make chips nicer and distribute adn put intel outa biz
(02:21:29 AM) ijchain: ok.
(02:21:32 AM) gavino: odly appealing idea actually
(02:21:35 AM) gavino: ;)
(02:21:39 AM) hat0: so far so good
(02:21:57 AM) ijchain: except they should buy motorola and put AMD and Intel out of business.
(02:24:31 AM) gavino: motorola?
(02:24:38 AM) gavino: why is that a risc chip?
(02:24:59 AM) ijchain: anything but the x86
(02:26:10 AM) gavino: but can motorola make a chap chip for pc?
(02:26:22 AM) gavino: amd had qud core already does motorola have anything like that?
(02:26:32 AM) gavino: seems its doing phones mostly
(02:26:40 AM) gavino: amd only 6B
(02:26:41 AM) gavino: wow
(02:26:57 AM) gavino: government asked for 150B just last week
(02:27:10 AM) gavino: this week wants 50B for jobless claims, giving money to people not working lol
(02:27:13 AM) gavino: wow
(02:27:40 AM) gavino: why not x86
(02:27:49 AM) gavino: or amd64
(02:28:53 AM) gavino: motorola only 20B
(02:29:08 AM) gavino: so wow instead of tarp government coulda bought amd and motoral
(02:32:41 AM) gavino: housing is big scam
(02:32:57 AM) gavino: government could make nice complexes by zillion and employ lots of people to make them
(02:33:06 AM) gavino: if it said ok every person has an apartment free
(02:33:15 AM) gavino: 100% employment right there
(02:33:48 AM) hat0: yeah that sounds nice
(02:34:50 AM) ijchain: you really did study economics.
(02:35:06 AM) ijchain: I can tell, because you completely modify your conclusions depending on your audience.
(02:35:29 AM) gavino: I find Henry George and marx to be interesting.
(02:35:36 AM) gavino: keynes is a real moron
(02:35:50 AM) gavino: yet most of the big universities are keynesian
(02:35:59 AM) ijchain: orly
(02:36:06 AM) gavino: I guess I am an austrain schooler who is open to some debate.
(02:36:37 AM) ijchain: it's almost as if the past 30 years of voodoo economics and dominance by the chicago school never happened.
(02:36:40 AM) gavino: I think if you have governmetn intervention why not do practical things.
(02:36:57 AM) gavino: but supply side 'vodoo' economics, IS economics
(02:37:23 AM) gavino: keynes basically said forget everything, deficit spend, and I will make up some crap to say its economically good
(02:37:28 AM) gavino: like screw it
(02:37:37 AM) gavino: do oppposite of what all economists reccomend
(02:37:43 AM) gavino: spend more than take in
(02:37:57 AM) gavino: now someone thinking that can get a phd
(02:37:59 AM) gavino: amazing
(02:38:01 AM) ijchain: yeah, if they'd only been able to wait until the 1980s, the economic rationalists would have come along and ended the great depression
(02:38:06 AM) gavino: and be called an economist
(02:38:24 AM) gavino: 1980 were biiggest peactime economic expansion in 120 years in usa
(02:38:28 AM) gavino: the reagan miracle worked
(02:38:30 AM) gavino: well
(02:38:53 AM) ijchain: peace time economic expansion. How is that measured?
(02:38:54 AM) gavino: bill clinton in contrast was huge disaster, partially hidden by a internet stock bubble
(02:38:58 AM) gavino: in real growth
(02:39:05 AM) ijchain: of GDP?
(02:39:13 AM) gavino: higher wages, low inflation and real growth in production and buying power
(02:39:31 AM) gavino: GDP accounting for inflation
(02:39:55 AM) ijchain: so it's measured by GDP?
(02:40:36 AM) ijchain: If I buy a new car on credit, then crash it into a house, knock it off its foundations, and put myself in hospital, I've added to GDP, correct?
(02:41:20 AM) ijchain: first by borrowing, then by consuming, then by creating an opportunity for a builder, an ER crew, and all kinds of medical supply companies.
(02:41:51 AM) gavino: At the end of his administration, the Nation was enjoying its longest recorded period of peacetime prosperity without recession or depression.
(02:41:58 AM) ijchain: a single car crash can add maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars to GDP. Is that correct?
(02:41:59 AM) gavino: http://technoninja.blogspot.com/2008/11/ronald-reagan-was-awesome.html
(02:42:19 AM) gavino: not sure
(02:42:33 AM) gavino: gross domestic product counts everything produced in the state
(02:42:36 AM) ijchain: I think that the scenario I outlined is nett positive to GDP.
(02:42:41 AM) gavino: you didnt produce the car
(02:42:54 AM) gavino: economics is about production, not demand
(02:43:11 AM) gavino: unlimite wants, finite resources for production
(02:43:40 AM) ijchain: I didn't produce the car, true, but by wrecking it I haven't reduced GDP.
(02:43:49 AM) gavino: ya not counted
(02:43:55 AM) gavino: you goto work and produce something
(02:44:05 AM) gavino: you are given soem money by owner
(02:44:11 AM) gavino: you then trade for commodities
(02:44:13 AM) ijchain: GDP is increased by car crashes.
(02:44:16 AM) gavino: produced by others
(02:44:18 AM) gavino: nope
(02:44:20 AM) gavino: its not
(02:44:28 AM) gavino: crashes dont count atoll
(02:44:39 AM) ijchain: Every crash consumes services.
(02:44:48 AM) gavino: economics isnt consumption
(02:44:51 AM) gavino: its production
(02:44:57 AM) ijchain: those services, the production of them, contributes to GDP.
(02:45:04 AM) gavino: and decisions about what to produce in finite world
(02:45:14 AM) gavino: the car produced by say ford yes
(02:45:17 AM) gavino: counts to gdp
(02:45:28 AM) ijchain: services don't count to gdp?
(02:45:38 AM) gavino: the engineering servies, accounting services
(02:45:42 AM) gavino: ford uses
(02:45:46 AM) gavino: to produce ya
(02:45:49 AM) ijchain: medical services
(02:46:00 AM) gavino: well thats medical manufacturers
(02:46:01 AM) ijchain: so cancer contributes to GDP
(02:46:08 AM) gavino: no no
(02:46:13 AM) ijchain: sure
(02:46:14 AM) gavino: think of production
(02:46:32 AM) ijchain: I'm thinking of the production of services which are measured as contribution to GDP.
(02:47:02 AM) ijchain: GDP doesn't just measure hard goods
(02:47:07 AM) ijchain: or am I mistaken?
(02:47:22 AM) hat0: what _is_ production, if it isn't all these things colin is saying?
(02:47:38 AM) ijchain: oncologists' services contribute to GDP.
(02:48:10 AM) ijchain: My point is that GDP isn't much of a measure of wellbeing.
(02:48:24 AM) gavino: woa huge jump of logic
(02:48:28 AM) gavino: WOA nelly
(02:48:34 AM) ijchain: production of cigarettes, another contributor.
(02:48:34 AM) gavino: lol
(02:48:52 AM) ijchain: it's not true? oncologists don't contribute to GDP?
(02:49:21 AM) gavino: medical services to contribute of course
(02:49:36 AM) ijchain: How about ... I take a company, I carve it up and sell the bits for more than the whole was valued at. The companies cease to trade, after a time.
(02:49:41 AM) ijchain: That all contributes to GDP.
(02:49:50 AM) gavino: mmmmm so so
(02:49:51 AM) ijchain: as do the share traders' fees.
(02:50:09 AM) ijchain: How about ... I create an asset bubble in real estate ...
(02:50:17 AM) ijchain: I charge fees for the repackaging of debt.
(02:50:19 AM) gavino: whats wild is 70% of usa government spending is welfare
(02:50:28 AM) ijchain: I increase demand, thereby increasing 'value'
(02:50:34 AM) ijchain: The increased 'value' contributes to GDP.
(02:50:49 AM) ijchain: GDP isn't a good measure of wellbeing.
(02:51:19 AM) gavino: see when get into quasi governmetn financial sectors remember you cant blame market, cuz its all government setup, currency and its evil are governmetn, then coprorations ar eliek corrupted leeches, but please dont blame the marekt for those nukes
(02:51:44 AM) ijchain: Yeah, Enron was a government plot.
(02:51:46 AM) gavino: the housing problem was caused by government, not markets
(02:51:56 AM) gavino: energy regulation
(02:52:09 AM) gavino: or lack thereof
(02:52:17 AM) gavino: enrons biggest customer: governments
(02:52:31 AM) gavino: how enron get money? governemtn goons bought from it
(02:52:31 AM) ijchain: I think more regulation is in order.
(02:52:34 AM) gavino: not consumers
(02:52:37 AM) gavino: inside job
(02:52:50 AM) gavino: not jsut more but real and effective
(02:52:58 AM) ijchain: yep.
(02:53:03 AM) gavino: basic idea is consumer isnt na idiot he wont buy bullshit
(02:53:10 AM) gavino: he will say nah ill goto other competitor
(02:53:17 AM) ijchain: that's why pet rocks were never produced.
(02:53:23 AM) gavino: but governemtn can force zillion to buy a glass of liquid shit
(02:53:25 AM) gavino: en amsse
(02:53:34 AM) ijchain: it's also why Fox News went out of business.
(02:53:45 AM) gavino: fox makes zillions a year
(02:53:55 AM) gavino: orilly #1 show on cable 9 years
(02:54:03 AM) gavino: fox bought myspace
(02:54:10 AM) ijchain: it's also why Windows disappeared from PCs.
(02:54:20 AM) ijchain: because consumers won't buy shit.
(02:54:26 AM) ijchain: unless the government forces them to.
(02:54:27 AM) gavino: windows isnt shit
(02:54:37 AM) gavino: its great gui os for non tek guy
(02:54:47 AM) gavino: peple hand him 300$ for win7
(02:54:49 AM) gavino: no gun to thier head
(02:54:57 AM) gavino: people hand gates billions
(02:55:06 AM) ijchain: | basic idea is consumer isnt na idiot he wont buy bullshit
(02:55:13 AM) gavino: right
(02:55:15 AM) ijchain: basic idea is demonstrably false.
(02:55:22 AM) gavino: demonstrate please
(02:55:32 AM) ijchain: Windows, O'Reilly, Pet Rocks.
(02:55:43 AM) gavino: oreilly is awesome I watched him other night
(02:55:49 AM) gavino: windows is graet for my vidgame pc
(02:55:52 AM) ijchain: Yeah. Awesome.
(02:55:54 AM) gavino: and good for my mom
(02:55:59 AM) ijchain: Glenn Beck ... also awesome.
(02:56:02 AM) gavino: im telling you its a competitive winner
(02:56:06 AM) gavino: i watched beck today
(02:56:09 AM) gavino: it was great
(02:56:22 AM) gavino: 400B going to fannie may and fredd mac, 400B each
(02:56:28 AM) gavino: after they caused 2008
(02:56:30 AM) ijchain: bear with me a second, wrt beck
(02:56:32 AM) gavino: genius obama
(02:56:40 AM) gavino: beck show interesting
(02:56:46 AM) gavino: first time I watched it
(02:56:52 AM) gavino: pretty cool
(02:57:16 AM) gavino: sure
(02:57:21 AM) gavino: what about beck
(02:58:32 AM) ijchain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aEk864YrKw
(02:58:42 AM) gavino: on linux no 'tube
(02:58:44 AM) gavino: lol
(02:59:14 AM) gavino: in terms of ideas? did he say some crazy overly christian crap or something?
(02:59:16 AM) ijchain: 1:11
(02:59:22 AM) gavino: no youtube on linux!
(02:59:48 AM) gavino: reason Im not a republican is the religious gooniness
(03:01:15 AM) ***ijchain colin notes he's on linux, watching youtube
(03:01:45 AM) gavino: I didnt setup ALSA yet
(03:01:51 AM) gavino: so no sound
(03:02:06 AM) gavino: so what did beck say
(03:02:46 AM) ijchain: it was a homage to something and something and stuff
(03:04:50 AM) gavino: I wonder what someone would say if I blogged somewhere that for only 6B the us government could buy amd and make a government chip.
(03:05:02 AM) gavino: I mean thats nothing.
(03:05:51 AM) gavino: then government expands amd, hires zillions of unemplyed to be tekkies, and solves unemplyemnt while expanding a cool product
(03:06:17 AM) gavino: that to me would eb good side of central big gov types like obama
(03:06:20 AM) gavino: be-
(03:06:23 AM) ijchain: ok, and put Beck on the 3 dollar note. I have other stuff to do.
(03:06:47 AM) gavino: well i have no concept of what idea you were getting at
(03:06:47 AM) ***ijchain teo has left
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(03:07:25 AM) ijchain: Beck is a loon. O'Reilly is also a loon. People watch this. It is shit. The government doesn't force them.
(03:08:22 AM) gavino: in your opinion
(03:08:28 AM) gavino: see you might not liek wine
(03:08:32 AM) gavino: while some love it
(03:08:47 AM) gavino: I think obama and jon stewart loons
(03:08:54 AM) ijchain: Beck is not wine. Beck is shit.
(03:08:54 AM) gavino: and ben bernanake a criminal
(03:08:59 AM) gavino: why
(03:09:08 AM) ijchain: watch the clip.
(03:09:09 AM) gavino: what crazy idea did he spew?
(03:09:24 AM) gavino: what is the core idea of what he said
(03:09:46 AM) ijchain: have you seen Network?
(03:10:02 AM) gavino: no
(03:10:21 AM) ijchain: ok. have you seen The Shining?
(03:10:25 AM) gavino: yep
(03:10:34 AM) gavino: but again I am waiting for the IDEA that is bad
(03:10:37 AM) gavino: what IDEA
(03:10:44 AM) ijchain: Right. What idea was the Jack Nicholson character espousing?
(03:11:29 AM) gavino: idea of that character? well he starts trying to provide for family with cushy cool job, then he goes bonker and wants to axe them
(03:11:42 AM) gavino: he goes mad
(03:12:08 AM) ijchain: Right. What idea was he espousing?
(03:12:13 AM) gavino: none
(03:12:20 AM) gavino: he goes mad
(03:12:23 AM) ijchain: Ok. Same with Beck.
(03:12:24 AM) gavino: no ideology
(03:12:28 AM) ijchain: Complete mentalist.
(03:13:14 AM) ijchain: Jack Nicholson but someone took away his axe and put him in front of a camera in a suit.
(03:13:24 AM) ijchain: babbling lunatic.
(03:13:35 AM) gavino: he seems to have a theme: small government, and deficit is bad
(03:13:50 AM) ijchain: yeah, and 'all work and no play makes jack a dull boy'
(03:13:53 AM) ijchain: that's a theme.
(03:14:27 AM) ijchain: mentalist
(03:15:37 AM) gavino: yet hes on tv making ton of $
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(03:15:59 AM) gavino: and today had interesting show about obama and co iving 800B to freddy+fannie
(03:16:30 AM) ***ijchain de has left
(03:16:31 AM) ***ijchain de has become available
(03:16:35 AM) gavino: and a bit about how the tarp is 700B even if they already gave 100B away, tarp get reset, without anyone saying hey then its 800b
(03:16:37 AM) gavino: scary
(03:16:56 AM) gavino: like tarp could grow to 1300B
(03:17:04 AM) gavino: any they not admit it
(03:17:08 AM) gavino: scary
(03:17:18 AM) gavino: 12Trillion deficit
(03:17:32 AM) gavino: they just cant cap government spending
(03:17:40 AM) gavino: and pay off deficit
(03:18:44 AM) gavino: in australia how do they do things?
(03:18:55 AM) gavino: is health care free there?
(03:19:02 AM) ijchain: near enough
(03:19:05 AM) gavino: how bad are taxes?
(03:19:10 AM) ijchain: not very
(03:19:18 AM) gavino: how possible? how pay the doc?
(03:19:34 AM) gavino: do they have insurance middle men sucking out less blood?
(03:19:41 AM) gavino: less lawyers sucking blood?
(03:19:58 AM) ijchain: well, for one thing we regulate the sale price of pharmaceuticals
(03:20:34 AM) ijchain: the government negotiates for pharmaceuticals and requires a reasonable price and proof of efficacy
(03:20:44 AM) gavino: thats freakin awesome
(03:20:56 AM) ijchain: it works quite well.
(03:21:00 AM) gavino: I as a libertarian would vote for anyone who wants to do it
(03:21:06 AM) gavino: so its single payer?
(03:21:19 AM) ijchain: so well that the US government tried to get us to remove the scheme as a condition of the 'free trade agreement'
(03:21:26 AM) gavino: what the fuck
(03:21:36 AM) gavino: on what grounds?
(03:21:50 AM) ijchain: the grounds that US pharmaceutical companies don't like it.
(03:22:01 AM) gavino: wha tif a pharma company sells direct to public above the government price? illegal?
(03:22:18 AM) gavino: and says wont sell to autrailian governemnt
(03:22:21 AM) ijchain: You can buy direct, but you don't get the subsidised price. So it costs way more.
(03:22:24 AM) gavino: are there no private hospitals?
(03:22:30 AM) ijchain: If it won't sell, then it won't sell.
(03:22:41 AM) gavino: well say thre is wonder drug X
(03:22:45 AM) gavino: and everyone wants it
(03:22:52 AM) gavino: and pharam says no to governemtn
(03:22:54 AM) ijchain: then they can prove it, and justify the price, else no sale.
(03:22:57 AM) gavino: then sells at 100$ a pill
(03:23:03 AM) ijchain: it's never happened.
(03:23:11 AM) gavino: ah so its illegal for them to sell outside governemtn monopoly
(03:23:15 AM) gavino: ok
(03:23:20 AM) gavino: single payer style
(03:23:20 AM) ijchain: No, they can sell.
(03:23:38 AM) gavino: well if must prove then government has the final word
(03:23:46 AM) ijchain: but anyone who buys has to pay the full price, the price the pharmaceutical company asks.
(03:24:05 AM) gavino: hm
(03:24:16 AM) ijchain: it's called the PBS. Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme.
(03:24:27 AM) ijchain: You pay a nominated amount, a scheduled amount, for a drug.
(03:24:31 AM) gavino: how long have they ha dit?
(03:24:45 AM) ijchain: .gov.au ensures that the price is reasonable.
(03:24:53 AM) gavino: that is quite cool
(03:24:58 AM) ijchain: For 30 years, I guess.
(03:25:00 AM) gavino: I think pharma corps gouge people
(03:25:13 AM) ijchain: of course they do, if the government lets them.
(03:25:14 AM) gavino: so every citizen get health coverage?
(03:25:18 AM) ijchain: Yes.
(03:25:26 AM) ijchain: And of a reasonably high standard.
(03:25:28 AM) gavino: what about school is school free?
(03:25:28 AM) hat0: you live in a civilized place, colin
(03:25:33 AM) ijchain: Yes.
(03:25:39 AM) ijchain: in that regard, certainly.
(03:25:43 AM) gavino: including say getting an MBA?
(03:25:56 AM) ijchain: I look at the yanks, and I have no idea what you guys complain about.
(03:26:26 AM) gavino: where do you live hat
(03:26:27 AM) gavino: ?
(03:26:29 AM) ijchain: School is free, yes. Uni is reasonably cheap.
(03:26:41 AM) gavino: reasonibly?
(03:26:47 AM) hat0: gavino, did you read the recent economist article about how the mba is falling out of fashion?
(03:26:56 AM) gavino: I never read the economist
(03:27:01 AM) gavino: too euro commy for me
(03:27:08 AM) ijchain: there's a fee, it's on a fixed price no interest loan from the gov, which they take out as tax when/if your income reaches a given level.
(03:27:10 AM) hat0: too bad
(03:27:18 AM) gavino: wow
(03:27:33 AM) gavino: australia sounds like good place to get ahead
(03:27:36 AM) ijchain: it seems to work tolerably well.
(03:27:47 AM) gavino: do many people get MBA? or advnaced degree in comp sci
(03:27:47 AM) ijchain: it could be better, of course.
(03:27:48 AM) gavino: ?
(03:27:55 AM) ijchain: I've no idea of the figures.
(03:28:11 AM) gavino: do australian univerity come out with new proramming lanugaes or breakthroughs from time to time?
(03:28:21 AM) gavino: I think haskell was from univeristy of scotland or something?
(03:28:37 AM) gavino: what was the reasoning in the article hat?
(03:28:54 AM) ijchain: well, the CSIRO has a patent on wifi that's making 'em billions.
(03:28:58 AM) gavino: big companies seem to love to hire mba
(03:29:04 AM) ijchain: anyway, I have RL things to do now.
(03:29:13 AM) gavino: like?
(03:29:16 AM) gavino: play wow?
(03:29:17 AM) gavino: ;)
(03:29:32 AM) gavino: CSIRO? whats that

An Introduction to Forth By J. Kevin McFadden

http://astro.pas.rochester.edu/Forth/forth.html

time 24 hour 4 gym, 4 learn 16 sleep?

heh

free time = no bitch, cuz could be spending that air on improving body+$$

ugly kid joke

I was walking home last night when I noticed an old drunk staggering along the road. He passed a woman who was walking a young child. "Lady", said the drunk, "that's the ugliest kid I've ever seen. Damn, that is one ugly child!." As the drunk wandered off, the lady burst into tears. Just then, a mailman came to her rescue. "What's the matter, madam?" he asked. "I've just been horribly insulted" she sobbed. "There there," said the mailman, reaching into his pocket. "Dry your eyes with this tissue, and here's a banana for the chimp"

For this reason communists share the same contempt for liberals that the rest of us do. We both know they are fools.

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Written by James Simpson
Wednesday, 09 December 2009 20:54


D.C. Examiner

Sixty-eight years ago today, Japan launched a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor that brought the United States into World War II. In that historic conflict we defeated Japan and its German Nazi ally four years later at a cost of over 400,000 American lives.

Since before World War II however, we have faced a much more subtle foe - one that in many ways has been more deadly. The foe is an amorphous mass, variably called: "Liberal," "Progressive," "Leftist," "the Left," "the Radical Left," the "New Left," "Communist," "Neo-communist," "Socialist," "Marxist," "Neo-Marxist," even "Marxofascist."

Lest "liberals" take offense at being associated with communists, Marxists and socialists, it can only be said that Lenin referred to them as "useful idiots," i.e. those who knowingly or unknowingly assist communists in achieving communist objectives. For this reason communists share the same contempt for liberals that the rest of us do. We both know they are fools.

So forget liberals. Call the foe the "radical left". It has been the instigator of most of our foreign policy failures, including Vietnam and Korea; failures measured in millions of lives. Practically every public policy failure of the past century, from the healthcare crisis to our addled legal system, from crime-ridden ghettos to failing public schools, can be laid at the feet of the Left.

But many of us have been complicit, in that we either stood idly by, or supported the left's policies because we saw some personal benefit (e.g. welfare payments, housing subsidies, Medicare, etc.) Many politicians have assisted the Left out of cynical calculation, going along to get along, or downright cowardice. Some of us voted for them. Many pitched in and helped because we thought we were doing good - like Teddy Kennedy used to say, "Fighting the good fight."

As a result, today this foe occupies the corridors of power across much of the United States, and has penetrated our government at all levels, corporations, foundations and most tragically, our schools.

One of their latest offensives is the Obama administration's appointment of militant gay activist Kevin Jennings to be the Department of Education's director of the Office of Safe and Drug Free Schools, i.e. the "Safe Schools CZAR."

Jennings' career has largely been dedicated to advancing the radical homosexual agenda. Jennings was a member of the radical group ACT UP, which used violent tactics to push its equally radical AIDS agenda. He helped fund a pornographic ACT UP exhibition at Harvard University's art museum.

Early in his teaching career, Jennings encouraged a teenager who was in a homosexual relationship with an older man. If the boy was underage, as Jennings claimed in a 2000 speech, then Jennings may have violated the law by not reporting statutory rape to authorities. He has since admitted he should have "handled this situation differently" but has also altered the story, now claiming the boy was sixteen, i.e. of legal, consenting age. Surprise, surprise, the boy has come forward to the leftist Media Matters, saying he was sixteen at the time. But actually, the relevant state law requires reporting of sexual activity between an adult and any child less than eighteen years of age.

Finally, Jennings has the singular distinction of being identified in his own words as someone who openly admired National Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) cheerleader, Harry Hay. Hay was a communist homosexual considered to be the "father" of the American gay movement.

Jennings main "qualification" if you want to call it that, is his creation and long-term leadership of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN). According to its website, this group "strives to assure that each member of every school community is valued and respected regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity/expression." It goes on to decry "racism," "sexism," "homophobia," and "heterosexism" as detrimental to "a healthy school climate." (Emphasis added.)

Here is an audio of Jennings angrily accusing schools of "promoting heterosexuality" and "recruiting children to be heterosexuals," citing as evidence, assignment of such literature as Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet.

The charge is of course absurd. Schools have never promoted heterosexuality. Heterosexuality does not require promotion. But that has never been their job anyway. The school's job is to educate and teach children how to learn. Shakespeare isn't widely taught because his works "promote heterosexuality." He is taught for his literary genius.

It is a widely-used communist tactic, however, to attack people, institutions, companies, whatever, for doing what they have always naturally done. This is what Jennings was doing here. Remember Alinsky's Rules for Radicals #3: "Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat."

Because the charge of "promoting heterosexuality" is so completely outside our frame of reference, it puts people on the defensive. It forces people to doubt their actions and attitudes where no doubt existed before. In that doubt, fear and confusion, the speaker offers his "solution" that will make all the doubt and fear go away. This is a standard tactic for manipulating people into agreeing to policies and ideas they would never support otherwise.

It is also part and parcel of the communist Frankfurt School's conspiracy to corrupt the culture and morals of American society, something we have come to know as the "Culture War." Significantly, Jennings outlined his strategy for mainstreaming homosexuality in secondary schools in a 1995 speech titled "Winning the Culture War." He said that it was essential to frame the debate as a "safety issue" rather than a homosexual issue because if his movement was perceived "as preying on children, we will lose."

But that is precisely what they appear to have been doing. A WorldNet Daily article offered inadvertent proof of this in October 2008, before anyone had heard of Kevin Jennings. Ironically the article was about Weather Underground terrorist and Obama friend Bill Ayers' endorsement of a book titled "Queering Elementary Education: Advancing the Dialogue about Sexualities and Schooling." Jennings wrote the foreword.

But Jennings and Ayers have more in common than that. Like Bill Ayers, Jennings organized a fundraiser for candidate Obama. Also in attendance at the Jennings fundraiser, visible in this video link, is Bill Clinton. Hidden from view in the video, but present nonetheless, sitting just to the right of the stairway, is George Soros. A regular rogue's gallery of Crisis Strategy practioners, that gathering.

Now, Scott Baker of Breitbart.tv has published at Gateway Pundit the disturbing evidence that shows exactly how Kevin Jennings and his GLSEN activists advance their homosexual agenda in schools: by peddling child pornography. Warning: some of the links embedded in this article contain foul language and graphic, explicit descriptions of various sex acts, mostly among children, some as young as five.

As the article explains:

GLSEN... strives to influence the educational curriculum to include materials which the group believes will increase tolerance of gay students and decrease bullying. To that end, GLSEN maintains a recommended reading list of books that it claims "furthers our mission to ensure safe schools for all students."

In other words, these are the books that GLSEN's directors think all kids should be reading: gay kids should read them to raise their self-esteem, and straight kids should read them in order to become more aware and tolerant and stop bullying gay kids. Through GLSEN's online ordering system, called "GLSEN BookLink," featured prominently on their Web site, teachers can buy the books to use as required classroom assignments, or students can buy them to read on their own.

The authors ordered some random samples to see what was in the books:

What we discovered shocked us. We were flabbergasted. Rendered speechless. We were unprepared for what we encountered. Book after book after book contained stories and anecdotes that weren't merely X-rated and pornographic, but which featured explicit descriptions of sex acts between pre-schoolers; stories that seemed to promote and recommend child-adult sexual relationships; stories of public masturbation, anal sex in restrooms, affairs between students and teachers, five-year-olds playing sex games, semen flying through the air. One memoir even praised becoming a prostitute as a way to increase one's self-esteem.

The Gateway Pundit article examined eleven books. Excerpts are provided, with photocopied page reproductions proving their authenticity, one with a graphic drawing of two men engaged in anal sex with a Boy Scout and scout master looking on. You are free to peruse them by following the link. These were shown, as the article explained, to present irrefutable proof of what might otherwise seem unbelievable.

As the founder of GSLEN, as a champion of the NAMBLA lifestyle, it is impossible to accept that Kevin Jennings is not aware of the child pornography being peddled by his organization. It requires no stretch of the imagination to believe that he not only approves of this literature, but that it was promoted at his instigation.

Homosexuality brought us the AIDS epidemic, which, as of 2001, had killed 583,293 people. Half of the estimated 40,000 annual AIDS infections are among people under 25. Homosexual teens are more than three times as likely to commit suicide as others in their age group. Homosexuality has bought Western culture deserved contempt, as the West's "sexual tourists," mostly homosexual men, travel the world preying on third world children, spreading and bringing back every description of sexually transmitted disease.

The headlines are awash with stories of sexual predators trafficking in child pornography, abusing, kidnapping and murdering children. The Catholic Church has been scandalized by stories of priests abusing choir boys, shaking that institution to its very foundation.

While these abhorrent, unhealthy, illegal and sometimes deadly activities have landed people extensive jail sentences, it takes the breath away to realize that the person President Barack Obama chose to ensure "safe" public schools spent much of his adult life actively promoting the homosexual lifestyle with child pornography. He should be in jail with the rest of the sexual predators. Instead he has been made gatekeeper to our most prized possession: our children.

The child pornography laws only ban images, and except the one picture noted above, the mass of this is in written form. All the books should be examined closely by law enforcement for sexually explicit images. Leave it to the Holder Justice Department to defend Jennings then.

Jennings is an abomination. This presidency is an abomination. Obama has taken a chain saw to our economy. He has taken a chain saw to our national security. Now he's going after our children. The tide must be turned. The "sleeping giant" aroused to fury by Pearl Harbor must awake again.

These people must be stopped.


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Written by Cliff Kincaid
Wednesday, 09 December 2009 21:05


cliff-kincaid-smallWith the ClimateGate revelations of flimsy "science" behind the man-made global warming theory, the role of the religious left in promoting this fraudulent scheme now deserves serious media scrutiny. Walter Grazer, who served as the Director of the Environmental Justice Program for the United States Catholic Conference of Bishops from 1993 to 2007 and is now interim executive director of the National Religious Partnership for the Environment (NRPE), was asked for a comment on ClimateGate and replied, "I am really not up on that issue at all."

Ignoring the growing scandal, the National Religious Coalition on Creation Care issued a press release on the occasion of the opening of the Copenhagen climate change conference declaring that "climate change is a moral and ethical issue because it deals with lifestyle issues and choices that all people must face."

Cardinal Theodore McCarrick was quoted as saying that Catholic bishops will be promoting a new "Climate Covenant" and "take the message on the seriousness of climate change to every Catholic parish in America."

But what is the real agenda behind the fraudulent "science?" Is it something more than political and economic control over people's lives?

Dr. James Wanliss, Associate Professor of Physics at Presbyterian College, has written The Green Dragon, a book about how environmentalism is actually committed to "the reconstruction of a pagan world order" and "rejection of Christian spirituality." Wanliss argues that the environmental movement "is a religion with a vision of sin and repentance, heaven and hell. It even has a special vocabulary, with words like 'sustainability' and 'carbon neutral.' Its communion is organic food. Its sacraments are sex, abortion, and when all else fails, sterilization. Its saints are Al Gore and the InterGovernmental Panel on Climate Change."

"Both professing Protestants and Roman Catholics bear a burden of guilt for the current political mess we are in with the global warming and other hysterias," he argues. "If the church had not turned from the gospel of Jesus Christ it is unlikely the Green Dragon would have been able to so deeply sink its fangs into our lives."

Green Religion

Major U.S. religious groups involved in the "climate change" campaign include the National Religious Partnership for the Environment, the Catholic Campaign on Climate Change, the Evangelical Environmental Network and the Evangelical Climate Initiative.

Dr. E. Calvin Beisner, national spokesman for the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation, identifies evangelical leftist Ron Sider as a key figure behind the Evangelical Environmental Network and the Evangelical Climate Initiative. "He's been pressing for wealth redistribution for over thirty years, and the global treaty being touted to fight global warming is nothing if it isn't an exercise in wealth redistribution," says Beisner.

Sider, who is also founder and president of Evangelicals for Social Action, is the author of Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger.

Richard Cizik, who served for ten years as vice president for governmental affairs of the National Association of Evangelicals, was instrumental in creating the Evangelical Climate Initiative. He now serves as a fellow of the George Soros-funded Open Society Institute, where his current job is to "organize and host gatherings of evangelical faith leaders, policy-makers and academics" on climate change.

Beisner says it's a shame that evangelicals are being asked to jump on the global warming bandwagon right when the wheels are falling off because of the ClimateGate scandal.

Big Liberal Money

Wanliss identifies the National Council of Churches (NCC) as playing a major role. He says massive infusions of "green"-money, that is-for the NCC come from left-leaning philanthropies including Pew Charitable Trusts, Tides Foundation, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Turner Foundation, W. Alton Jones Foundation, V. Kann Rasmussen Foundation, and New World Foundation.

As a result, "There has been, in past decades, a cosmic shift towards a social climate that begins to favor the environment-polar bears, trees, and bugs-over human beings."

Another major player, the National Religious Partnership for the Environment (NRPE), "has an awesome army of organizational links and is itself something of a matryoshka, the Russian nested doll, which is never what it appears at first sight. For it is also not grassroots but launched with funding from left-leaning foundations, primarily the Pew Charitable Trust," he says.

NRPE describes itself as "an association of independent faith groups" that includes the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the National Council of Churches, the Coalition on the Environment and Jewish Life, and the Evangelical Environmental Network.

"When it began in 1993," Wanliss says, "NRPE had over $5 million in grants to accomplish the goal, according to executive director Paul Gorman, of utilizing churches to produce a 'distinctly religious response to the crisis of environmental sustainability and social justice.' The Partnership has been able to spread environmentalist propaganda and teaching aids to almost every Jewish, and to several hundred thousand Protestant congregations in America."

Through another entity, the Au Sable Institute, Wanliss says that these forces "have infiltrated Christian higher education by careful placement of teachers and teaching materials on environmental activism in schools associated with the Council for Christian Colleges and Universities (CCCU). Many of these schools are conservative in politics or theology. What they teach there under the Au Sable banner, will surprise their supporters. Not surprisingly, the Au Sable Institute and the NRPE share a subset of the same donor pool. Little by little wolves try to douse Christian resistance and lead sheep by troubled waters to accept the inevitability of a divine environmental movement."

The Catholic Coalition on Climate Change was launched in 2006 as a vehicle of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. This group says that "Because we are not experts on climate change and its consequences, we rely on a scientific consensus (best represented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) to guide our activities." Of course, it is the IPCC that is embroiled in the ClimateGate scandal.

In addition to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Catholic Coalition on Climate Change enjoys the active support of the Association of Catholic Colleges and Universities, Carmelite NGO, Catholic Charities USA; the Catholic Health Association of the United States, Catholic Relief Services, the Conference of Major Superiors of Men, the Franciscan Action Network, the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, the National Catholic Rural Life Conference, and the National Council of Catholic Women.

A related organization is the Catholic Climate Covenant, which claims that the poor are suffering because of the "carbon footprints" of people in the United States and other "rich" nations.

Wanliss says such notions are essential to the "alternative religion" of environmentalism.

Penance for New "Sin"

He explains that, "people with money to burn can buy indulgences just like in the medieval Roman Catholic Church. In that religion priests sold indulgences to souls burdened with guilt over their sins. Even today, when Roman indulgences are not generally for sale-at least not for money-forgiveness is only assured to those who complete the required tasks that earn the indulgence. The green movement has absorbed these faux religious elements, and for each one has its own ersatz affectation. Whatever it may mean, raping the earth is not ecologically sound or morally attractive. But if you must rape Mother Earth, then be sure to visit the Green Dragon and pay a sum of money to cleanse your guilt, until next time. Forgiveness for sins is only a carbon offset away."

"It is possible to calculate the extent of one's sins online," Wanliss points out. "According to TerraPass, over the past three years my weekly driving has resulted in about 5,224 pounds of CO2 a year, and for a mere $29.95 I can buy an indulgence that will offset the environmental impact of my reckless, indeed sacrilegious, lifestyle. These 'carbon offsets' will do as little for the salvation of the world as papal indulgences would for my soul. But for people with a desperate spiritual hunger it is a panacea and penance they are eager to embrace, and an incredible gift to give-it promises guilt free living and a purpose driven life. If only it were true. Go ahead, say the Gore-like business barons, pay the toll at our gate, and this year 'Give the gift of green.'

Meanwhile, America Magazine, the national Catholic weekly published by the Jesuits, is complaining that Congress did not pass legislation on greenhouse gas emissions before the current United Nations Copenhagen meeting. "The United States will thus remain the only developed nation with no established target for carbon reduction," it says.

The magazine praises the National Religious Partnership for the Environment and the Catholic Campaign on Climate Change for being "vigorous advocates for integrating the world's poor in a climate covenant with funding for both adapting infrastructure to meet the hardships of changing climate and for transferring green technology."

It goes on, "If the planet is to survive, as Pope Benedict XVI concluded in Caritas in Veritate, all nations must accept binding reductions in carbon emissions and construct an equitable structure for energy consumption and for sharing the development of green technology among rich and poor nations-for the sake of this generation and generations to come."

Pope Endorses Green Religion

As AIM has reported, in the encyclical, the Pope says that there is a need for a "a worldwide redistribution of energy resources" and that, "The technologically advanced societies can and must lower their domestic energy consumption, either through an evolution in manufacturing methods or through greater ecological sensitivity among their citizens."

At the same time, he warned that "it is contrary to authentic development to view nature as something more important than the human person" and that this position "leads to attitudes of neo-paganism or a new pantheism."

Indeed, the U.N. Environmental Program, which is now promoting a "Global Green New Deal," has celebrated the idea of an "Environmental Sabbath," in which children hold hands around a tree and meditate.

Wanliss notes that George Orwell's book Animal Farm tells of the visionary pig Old Major who had a dream that soon proved disastrous: "And now, comrades, I will tell you about my dream of last night. I cannot describe that dream to you. It was a dream of the earth as it will be when Man is forgotten."

Wanliss cautions that attempts by Church leaders and Christian organizations to synthesize a Christian environmentalism can succeed "only by exorcising truth, and ultimately, by expelling Christianity..."

But he adds, "Will it not be ironic if the Green Dragon they so adore ends up destroying them?"

Cliff Kincaid is the Editor of Accuracy in Media, and can be contacted at cliff.kincaid@aim.org This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

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There are Vikings buried in permafrost in Greenland.
written by Andrew, December 09, 2009
It was much warmer during the medieval warming period.

There are Vikings buried in permafrost in Greenland.
The permafrost is not disturbed.
It was not frozen when they were buried.
I would call that warmer then today, a lot warmer.

The ironic thing is that this evidence of the medieval warming period is in a museum in Copenhagen.

The Fate of Greenland's Vikings February 28, 2000 by Dale Mackenzie Brown
www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland

Also, the medieval warming period was global.

Fraudulent hockey sticks and hidden data
joannenova.com.au/2009/12/fraudulent-hockey-sticks-and-hidden-data

For a satirical look at the climategate computer programming (hiding the decline):
Anthropogenic Global Warming Virus Alert.

www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s5i64103

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written by Robbins Mitchell, December 10, 2009
You can't sleep with the beast and retain your virtue....God for Harry,England,and St . George!

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written by phil from oz, December 10, 2009
Similar trends seem obvious in Australia, much of the religious movement has "blended" with the green movement of late. In a statement on climate change the Anglican archibishop was effectively telling us to make appologies to the aboriginal - pagan gods, it was very bizarre. I don't think the church will die, just morph Jesus more into a Gaia like figure.

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The complete moral sellout of Green Christians
written by Jesus Greenblood, December 15, 2009
If religion is willing to sell endorsements for "charitable donations" then there is nothing holy about it. I'm no green apologist, in fact quite the opposite, but this is not a case of Greens victimizing religion. This is a case of religious powermongers selling out their principles and parishioners for cash and a seat at the table. This is complete moral bankruptch and the exact reason why I neither accept a shred of Green doctrine, nor do I go to church.

The pathetic and shallow virtue of money has corrupted every good thing in this world, and somehow this has only made people want to commit further corruption to get their hands on more money. Such principles are antithetic to religion, yet are a driving force in the 'religious corporations' that are so prevalent today. Why should ANY religion be lobbying politicians or making policy endorsements? If your church is doing this, STOP GOING.

Green WILL kill religion. Anyone who has studied the history of this movement knows that this has been one of the Green movement's primary intents since its contrivance. If you can get people to give up everything that contributes to their daily quality of life in the name of "saving the planet" then you have created a religion that people are far more devoted to than the morons who go to church twice a year to hear political endorsements.

So if you are going to church that is endorsing 'Green' and you yourself support this, why don't you just kick over the crucifix and stab Jesus while you're there. This is what you're doing anyway, why be phony about it. The only people Jesus ever admitted to hating were the hypocrites. Today we call them Green Christians...

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Friday, 11 December 2009 21:34


schlafly_phyllisWe were shocked to read a November report from the U.S. Army that 75 percent of America's 17- to 24-year-olds are not eligible for military service, largely because they are poorly educated, involved in crime, or are physically unfit. According to this report titled "Ready, Willing and Unable to Serve," 27 percent of young Americans can't join the military because they are too fat, out of shape, can't do push-ups or pull-ups, and can't run.

The Obama Administration claims that the solution for this dilemma is to spend lots of money on pre-K schooling, but that doesn't pass the laugh test. A better remedy would be to terminate "Title-Nining," the malicious anti-masculine weapon used by feminists to eliminate men's sports in college and high school.

Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 is a federal law passed to prohibit discrimination "on the basis of sex" in schools and colleges. Its sponsors solemnly promised it would never result in quotas, so it seemed like a good law to assure women every educational opportunity.

The radical feminists saw their opening to pursue their anti-male agenda. Feminists in Jimmy Carter's Department of Education, led by Bernice Sandler, picked the innocuous word "proportionality" out of the dictionary (not out of the law), and turned it into a feminist code word for one of three tests on which college athletic departments would be judged for compliance with Title IX. She created a new definition for this word: if 60 percent of students taking academic classes are female, then 60 percent of students playing on athletic teams must be female.

This rule is unfair and ridiculous because it's a fact of human nature that female college students do not seek to play on athletic teams in anywhere near the percentage that male students do. For example, "re-entry" women (older women who return to college after their children are grown) surely aren't going back to college to play soccer.

In the Clinton Administration, another aggressive feminist, Norma Cantu, ran the Education Department's Civil Rights Office and essentially made "proportionality" the only test that matters for Title IX compliance by colleges that must cut their sports budgets. She used the power of the bureaucracy and activist judges to threaten college athletic departments.

Colleges have every reason to fear lawsuits from failure to kowtow to feminist dictates. Losing a lawsuit means the college must pay the feminist lawyers' attorneys' fees and suffer adverse publicity.

The feminists forced colleges to cancel men's teams until the number of men and women on sports teams has the same ratio as the number of men and women enrolled in academic classes. This resulted in abolishing hundreds of men's athletic teams, especially sports at which men excel, many of them trophy-winning teams.

Title IX quotas forced the elimination of 467 college wrestling teams, a particular target of feminist anti-masculine ideology. This shows that Title IX is not about equalizing male-female funding, since wrestling is one of the least expensive sports.

Other victims of Title Nining include men's track and field and swimming. Title IX caused the elimination of all but 19 men's college gymnastics teams, and even forced Howard University
to cancel its baseball team.

This injustice hit us hard at the Olympics in Beijing. The Chinese (who are not restricted by feminist nonsense) won seven out of eight gold medals in men's gymnastics, while our team failed to win a single gold medal in eight events.

In the Olympics, we compete against other countries that field their best athletes without regard to political correctness. Title IX disadvantages our country by denying opportunities to male athletes and pushing less talented women into sports just to get free college tuition, not because they are keen on sports.

Reducing opportunities for college sports is a powerful disincentive to men and is a major cause of the dramatic drop in male attendance. Why bother attending college if men can't play the sport they love?

Since the feminists had their confrontation with Harvard President Larry Summers in 2005, they have also been Title Nining to force colleges to hire less math-qualified female professors instead of more qualified men. Funny thing, we don't hear proposals to force universities to subsidize male professors to teach women's studies.

Congress has amended Title IX numerous times to carve out exceptions to this gender-neutral law (exceptions for single-sex schools, colleges, seminaries, contact sports, fraternities, sororities, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, American Legion Girls State and Boys State, and Mother-Daughter and Father-Son school events). It's time for another amendment to get rid of "proportionality" silliness in order to solve the problems of the much disliked 40-60 male-female ratio in colleges and also to graduate more students who are physically qualified for our volunteer military.

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