Thursday, June 30, 2011
geoism is awesome, eliminate fuckers getting paid produce nothing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAtWR5lbgGM
ron paul should be president, use military to lay power lines, build nuclear/other power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvmFw6i7x1A
end all union benefits and pensions, unhoook job from healthcare
healthcare should be mass produced free market commodity
unhook from jbos n work
tax consumption not cap gain or income or real estate
unhook from jbos n work
tax consumption not cap gain or income or real estate
(9:36:22 PM) khorne99: freebsd!!! (9:36:24 PM) khorne99: its pisser!! (9:37:09 PM) arejay left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds). (9:38:34 PM
(9:36:22 PM) khorne99: freebsd!!!
(9:36:24 PM) khorne99: its pisser!!
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(9:38:34 PM) ardya: deja vu
(9:40:04 PM) khorne99: duuuuudes
(9:40:05 PM) khorne99: so
(9:40:08 PM) khorne99: sooooo
(9:40:09 PM) khorne99: ok
(9:40:16 PM) khorne99: so archlinux vs freebsd
(9:40:49 PM) khorne99: arch I can 1 upgrade all binary after 1 year reboot done 2 most things compile cleanly since most free software is deved on linux
(9:41:08 PM) khorne99: now freedbsd does have zfs but software raid 10 hey mdadm is FAST
(9:41:11 PM) khorne99: sooo
(9:41:15 PM) khorne99: very tuff call
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(9:41:23 PM) khorne99: since freebsd performance is slightly better apparently
(9:41:28 PM) khorne99: whew
(9:41:33 PM) khorne99: tuf tuf tuf
(9:42:46 PM) pfloyd: if all you care about is speed, then use Linux. if you care about QUALITY and documentation and robustness, then FreeBSD is a much better choice IMHO
(9:43:06 PM) pfloyd: also, Linux has had way more kernel vulnerabilities than FreeBSD has. I got sick of them years ago which was what prompted me to move to fbsd
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(9:50:58 PM) khorne99: but archlinux has auto upgrade fo kernel
(9:51:01 PM) khorne99: its rolling release
(9:51:08 PM) khorne99: so I have 2.6.39 now
(9:51:16 PM) khorne99: most stuff fixed supposedly
(9:51:27 PM) khorne99: and next on come sout i upgrade reboot
(9:51:31 PM) khorne99: all binary
(9:51:43 PM) khorne99: I hate having to recompile for days with freebsd ports to get recent version fo a program
(9:52:51 PM) ardya: days lulz
(9:54:29 PM) khorne99: try firefox
(9:54:32 PM) khorne99: pidgin
(9:54:40 PM) khorne99: and say i dunno postgresql and perl
(9:54:44 PM) khorne99: all deps
(9:54:49 PM) khorne99: with portmanager
(9:54:55 PM) khorne99: :)
(9:56:59 PM) nilsson: khorne99, you do realize freebsd has pkg_add, right?
(9:58:57 PM) pfloyd: khorne99: so use Linux and stop complaining?
(9:59:15 PM) computerkiller: hey is there a way to have pfsense do DNS at the router and have the computers register their DNS name with the router DNS via DHCP
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(10:04:13 PM) khorne99: yes but I said recent version fo package
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(10:12:30 PM) ardya: pfloyd: known troll
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(10:15:44 PM) pfloyd: ardya: yeah
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(10:52:26 PM) khorne99: zz
(10:52:56 PM) khorne99: robustness?
(10:53:01 PM) khorne99: linux rarely fails
(10:53:07 PM) khorne99: I am curious about freebsd and swap
(10:53:15 PM) khorne99: does freebsd need swap=ram on large amchines?
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(10:55:55 PM) pfloyd: khorne99: it depends entirely what you're doing with it and what your workload is. only YOU can answer that question
(10:56:44 PM) khorne99: I do
(10:56:48 PM) khorne99: I have tested 10 os
(10:56:50 PM) khorne99: free ones
(10:56:59 PM) khorne99: nixos pain in ass to setup as sorcerer
(10:57:04 PM) khorne99: netbsd and freebsd nice
(10:57:17 PM) khorne99: openbsd tight but not handle more than 4g ram on amd64 blows
(10:57:27 PM) khorne99: dragonfly havent really gievn a go except to instal
(10:57:38 PM) khorne99: archlinux which i found about 5 years ago simply is sick
(10:57:43 PM) khorne99: debian n redhat not even considered
(10:57:52 PM) khorne99: other i mentioned way ahead of those 2 pos-ed
(10:57:58 PM) khorne99: pos-zt
(10:58:04 PM) khorne99: nexenta mmm
(10:58:16 PM) khorne99: like openindiana to fat pain to do anythign cagey packaging
(10:58:25 PM) khorne99: zfs not that great vs raid 10 software raid
(10:58:35 PM) khorne99: minix not ready no hardware
(10:58:41 PM) khorne99: no plan9 is sick but ui is bugger
(10:58:52 PM) khorne99: slaware behind archlinux too but cool
(10:59:01 PM) khorne99: gobolinux iteresting but buggy
(10:59:04 PM) phx: khorne99, you have so much spare time
(10:59:22 PM) khorne99: oh I work computers as hoby and have my own corp I unix veteran
(10:59:30 PM) khorne99: make 85 hour now on project
(10:59:33 PM) khorne99: 100k in bank
(10:59:43 PM) khorne99: could do nothing for 7 year if i wanted
(10:59:47 PM) khorne99: more if goto thailand
(9:36:24 PM) khorne99: its pisser!!
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(9:38:34 PM) ardya: deja vu
(9:40:04 PM) khorne99: duuuuudes
(9:40:05 PM) khorne99: so
(9:40:08 PM) khorne99: sooooo
(9:40:09 PM) khorne99: ok
(9:40:16 PM) khorne99: so archlinux vs freebsd
(9:40:49 PM) khorne99: arch I can 1 upgrade all binary after 1 year reboot done 2 most things compile cleanly since most free software is deved on linux
(9:41:08 PM) khorne99: now freedbsd does have zfs but software raid 10 hey mdadm is FAST
(9:41:11 PM) khorne99: sooo
(9:41:15 PM) khorne99: very tuff call
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(9:41:23 PM) khorne99: since freebsd performance is slightly better apparently
(9:41:28 PM) khorne99: whew
(9:41:33 PM) khorne99: tuf tuf tuf
(9:42:46 PM) pfloyd: if all you care about is speed, then use Linux. if you care about QUALITY and documentation and robustness, then FreeBSD is a much better choice IMHO
(9:43:06 PM) pfloyd: also, Linux has had way more kernel vulnerabilities than FreeBSD has. I got sick of them years ago which was what prompted me to move to fbsd
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(9:50:58 PM) khorne99: but archlinux has auto upgrade fo kernel
(9:51:01 PM) khorne99: its rolling release
(9:51:08 PM) khorne99: so I have 2.6.39 now
(9:51:16 PM) khorne99: most stuff fixed supposedly
(9:51:27 PM) khorne99: and next on come sout i upgrade reboot
(9:51:31 PM) khorne99: all binary
(9:51:43 PM) khorne99: I hate having to recompile for days with freebsd ports to get recent version fo a program
(9:52:51 PM) ardya: days lulz
(9:54:29 PM) khorne99: try firefox
(9:54:32 PM) khorne99: pidgin
(9:54:40 PM) khorne99: and say i dunno postgresql and perl
(9:54:44 PM) khorne99: all deps
(9:54:49 PM) khorne99: with portmanager
(9:54:55 PM) khorne99: :)
(9:56:59 PM) nilsson: khorne99, you do realize freebsd has pkg_add, right?
(9:58:57 PM) pfloyd: khorne99: so use Linux and stop complaining?
(9:59:15 PM) computerkiller: hey is there a way to have pfsense do DNS at the router and have the computers register their DNS name with the router DNS via DHCP
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(10:04:13 PM) khorne99: yes but I said recent version fo package
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(10:12:30 PM) ardya: pfloyd: known troll
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(10:15:44 PM) pfloyd: ardya: yeah
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(10:52:26 PM) khorne99: zz
(10:52:56 PM) khorne99: robustness?
(10:53:01 PM) khorne99: linux rarely fails
(10:53:07 PM) khorne99: I am curious about freebsd and swap
(10:53:15 PM) khorne99: does freebsd need swap=ram on large amchines?
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(10:55:55 PM) pfloyd: khorne99: it depends entirely what you're doing with it and what your workload is. only YOU can answer that question
(10:56:44 PM) khorne99: I do
(10:56:48 PM) khorne99: I have tested 10 os
(10:56:50 PM) khorne99: free ones
(10:56:59 PM) khorne99: nixos pain in ass to setup as sorcerer
(10:57:04 PM) khorne99: netbsd and freebsd nice
(10:57:17 PM) khorne99: openbsd tight but not handle more than 4g ram on amd64 blows
(10:57:27 PM) khorne99: dragonfly havent really gievn a go except to instal
(10:57:38 PM) khorne99: archlinux which i found about 5 years ago simply is sick
(10:57:43 PM) khorne99: debian n redhat not even considered
(10:57:52 PM) khorne99: other i mentioned way ahead of those 2 pos-ed
(10:57:58 PM) khorne99: pos-zt
(10:58:04 PM) khorne99: nexenta mmm
(10:58:16 PM) khorne99: like openindiana to fat pain to do anythign cagey packaging
(10:58:25 PM) khorne99: zfs not that great vs raid 10 software raid
(10:58:35 PM) khorne99: minix not ready no hardware
(10:58:41 PM) khorne99: no plan9 is sick but ui is bugger
(10:58:52 PM) khorne99: slaware behind archlinux too but cool
(10:59:01 PM) khorne99: gobolinux iteresting but buggy
(10:59:04 PM) phx: khorne99, you have so much spare time
(10:59:22 PM) khorne99: oh I work computers as hoby and have my own corp I unix veteran
(10:59:30 PM) khorne99: make 85 hour now on project
(10:59:33 PM) khorne99: 100k in bank
(10:59:43 PM) khorne99: could do nothing for 7 year if i wanted
(10:59:47 PM) khorne99: more if goto thailand
Wednesday, June 29, 2011
openbsd softraid Marco Peereboom: Softraid: OpenBSD's virtual HBA, with benefits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiaVrlD1S7M
Marco Peereboom: Softraid: OpenBSD's virtual HBA, with benefits
Marco Peereboom: Softraid: OpenBSD's virtual HBA, with benefits
holy shit heat 38 +16 free throws in game 5 2011 beat celtics by cheating
http://www.nba.com/playoffs/2011/eastseries6/
heat shoulda never been in finals +20 ft ccheat over celtics
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=310511014
Surging Bachmann Under Media Attack
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/michele-bachmann-media-attacks/2011/06/29/id/401949
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington is calling for a criminal investigation into allegations that Rep. Laura Richardson, D-Calif., fo
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington is calling for a criminal investigation into allegations that Rep. Laura Richardson, D-Calif., forced her staff to work on her campaign and contribute to it.
The group, known as CREW, says it has e-mails to prove their charges, The Washington Post reported.
“Internal emails regarding a fundraising event dubbed ‘Democratic Idol’ show Richardson Chief of Staff Shirley Cooks told employees they were required to attend the event, wearing staff shirts embroidered with the phrase ‘37th Congressional District,’” CREW said according to the Post. “In an email from her official House account, Ms. Cooks stated that spouses and interns were expected to attend as well.”
The congresswoman’s office denied the charge and said, “Nothing in the CREW letter or its exhibits support the allegations that Congresswoman Richardson ever forced or coerced members of her staff to engage in campaign activity. As this office has previously confirmed, staff were interviewed by the House Ethics Committee in November 2010. The Congresswoman and her staff have fully cooperated,” the Post reported.
Richardson was investigated by the House ethics committee in 2009 over alleged improprieties stemming from a home foreclosure. She was unanimously cleared in that matter in July 2010, the Post reported.
Read more on Newsmax.com: Ethics Group Calls from Criminal Probe of US Rep
Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
The group, known as CREW, says it has e-mails to prove their charges, The Washington Post reported.
“Internal emails regarding a fundraising event dubbed ‘Democratic Idol’ show Richardson Chief of Staff Shirley Cooks told employees they were required to attend the event, wearing staff shirts embroidered with the phrase ‘37th Congressional District,’” CREW said according to the Post. “In an email from her official House account, Ms. Cooks stated that spouses and interns were expected to attend as well.”
The congresswoman’s office denied the charge and said, “Nothing in the CREW letter or its exhibits support the allegations that Congresswoman Richardson ever forced or coerced members of her staff to engage in campaign activity. As this office has previously confirmed, staff were interviewed by the House Ethics Committee in November 2010. The Congresswoman and her staff have fully cooperated,” the Post reported.
Richardson was investigated by the House ethics committee in 2009 over alleged improprieties stemming from a home foreclosure. She was unanimously cleared in that matter in July 2010, the Post reported.
Read more on Newsmax.com: Ethics Group Calls from Criminal Probe of US Rep
Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
The Dark Side gets all the cool toys. You come to the Dark Side, we can guarantee you a cape. You wanna use your powers to get into the movie theater
The Dark Side gets all the cool toys. You come to the Dark Side, we can guarantee you a cape. You wanna use your powers to get into the movie theater for free? Cool with us. We provide excellent theme music for stalking through your lair. Oh, and don't forget: black is slimming, and it goes with everything
(4:29:54 PM) azathoth99: maintained?
(4:29:54 PM) azathoth99: maintained?
(4:30:13 PM) azathoth99: http://beta.metacpan.org/module/Nginx::Engine could lisp copy such? made use fo the epoll thing?
(4:30:18 PM) azathoth99: kqueue
(4:30:19 PM) azathoth99: etc
(4:30:21 PM) azathoth99: wow
(4:30:48 PM) azathoth99: WOW http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-prevalence/ looks awesome
(4:30:56 PM) azathoth99: I wonder if can do it non oo
(4:30:58 PM) azathoth99: I hate oo
(4:31:12 PM) pjb: azathoth99: no, Lisp doesn't include an artificial intelligence as battery. You will have to copy it yourself.
(4:31:23 PM) pjb: Or implement an AI in Lisp to do it.
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(4:33:24 PM) azathoth99: hm
(4:33:28 PM) azathoth99: ok hows about
(4:33:36 PM) azathoth99: makle lisp "mount" broswer
(4:33:43 PM) azathoth99: and move file info liek nfs?
(4:33:47 PM) azathoth99: then keep all in memeory
(4:33:59 PM) azathoth99: and when fiel updated, say with new user or purchase, update files on server
(4:34:02 PM) pjb: How about writing irc messages containing whole sentences?
(4:34:02 PM) azathoth99: aysnc
(4:34:04 PM) azathoth99: etc
(4:34:06 PM) azathoth99: done!
no one should get $$ for doing 0, make em do handjobs
24 handjobs a day for your welfare check
this would also stop a lotof un needed spedning on carsn clothes n fancy un needed shit toget off by men
:)
1,000,000s giving government sponsored handjobs toget thier small welfare check.
remember 5$ bag of potato is enuf calories for 1 week for big human, women n kid less
1$ a hj plenty of welfare $$
mass produce housing toreduce rents
this would also stop a lotof un needed spedning on carsn clothes n fancy un needed shit toget off by men
:)
1,000,000s giving government sponsored handjobs toget thier small welfare check.
remember 5$ bag of potato is enuf calories for 1 week for big human, women n kid less
1$ a hj plenty of welfare $$
mass produce housing toreduce rents
in youtr face communism by lawyers and obama
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/29/us-appeals-court-upholds-obama-health-care-law/
joe biden a total joker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden
During his first year there, he was accused of having plagiarized 5 of 15 pages of a law review article. Biden said it was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and he was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F, which was subsequently dropped from his record
During his first year there, he was accused of having plagiarized 5 of 15 pages of a law review article. Biden said it was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and he was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F, which was subsequently dropped from his record
Hannity asked whether Boehner backs congressional efforts to set a permanent spending cap and supports the call for a balanced budget amendment. “I d
Hannity asked whether Boehner backs congressional efforts to set a permanent spending cap and supports the call for a balanced budget amendment.
“I do — and I think that it is important that we get real cuts and real changes in spending now,” Boehner said. “I’ve been a big supporter of the balanced budget amendment over my career — I’ve always voted for it and I will vote for it again.”
“I do — and I think that it is important that we get real cuts and real changes in spending now,” Boehner said. “I’ve been a big supporter of the balanced budget amendment over my career — I’ve always voted for it and I will vote for it again.”
Gingrich: Tax Increase 'Socialist Economics' Wednesday, 29 Jun 2011 06:17 AM By Hiram Reisner Share: More . . . A A | Email Us | Print
Gingrich: Tax Increase 'Socialist Economics'
Wednesday, 29 Jun 2011 06:17 AM
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich says the GOP should equate the time frame of raising the debt ceiling with the amount of spending Democrats are willing to cut from the budget. The presidential hopeful also told Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren Tuesday that a tax increase at this time “is truly socialist economics.”
“Republicans ought to say we’ll accept the cuts the Democrats have offered — whatever that number — and we’ll raise the debt ceiling the amount the Democrats are prepared to cut. That might be three months, two months, whatever,” Gingrich said. “Let the Democrats decide how long the debt ceiling is going to last by the amount they are willing to cut. With 14 million people unemployed, to have a tax increase to further weaken the economy is truly socialist economics. It makes no sense at all in this country to raise taxes right now.”
America needs a dramatic economic growth package to get people back to work “because nothing will do more to balance the budget than getting people to work,” Gingrich said.
“If the Republicans are calm and cheerful the president will sign a spending-cut-only bill,” he said. “Democrats are faced with a real crisis. The president is about to preside over the United States defaulting on its debt — he can’t do that. So he is going to have to in the end agree to something. The Republicans are in a position to say they are very happy to avoid a default if he will sign a spending-cut bill.”
When Van Susteren asked Gingrich whether the Democrats will still press loopholes should be removed from wealthy taxpayers, he repeated a contention that has caused him problems in the past:
“If you are the Republicans you should say we have more people on food stamps today than ever before in history — President Obama is the most successful food stamp president in American history,” he said. “We need a program to put 14 million Americans back to work. We are committed to creating jobs. The Democrats are committed to killing jobs. You decide which future you want — paychecks or food stamps.”
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Rove: Obama Has Discarded Presidential Duties Wednesday, 29 Jun 2011 05:05 AM By Hiram Reisner Share: More . . . A A | Email Us | Print
Rove: Obama Has Discarded Presidential Duties
Wednesday, 29 Jun 2011 05:05 AM
Despite White House claims to the contrary, former senior presidential adviser Karl Rove says President Barack Obama’s trip to Iowa Tuesday was strictly political, because he is in trouble in what it is considered a critical battleground state. Rove also told Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren that it is one thing for potential GOP 2012 candidates to criticize Obama — coming up with their own solutions to failed presidential policies is quite another.
Rove said he wished the White House, which claimed Obama was on a “business” trip, would “just be honest with us — I mean, this president is going to only two places, places where he can raise a bunch of dough, like New York and California, or battleground states. Iowa’s a battleground state in 2012 — every incumbent White House tends to focus on the states that are battleground states.”
“This president, however, makes no pretense of it — everything is about politics,” he said. “And you know, that’d probably be fine for 2012, but it is 2011 and the president has made, in my opinion, a mistake by focusing so much on politics and basically discarding the powers of the incumbency that he has a president.”
Van Susteren noted that Obama might have taken his trip to Iowa, which he won in 2008, because his support is waning and state Democrats are abandoning the party in droves.
“Yes, four years ago, at the time of the election, the Democrats had I think [a] 111,000 registration advantage — 65,000 have left the Democratic Party,” Rove said. “Their registration advantage is down now to 36,000 — that’s the defense. The Republicans have been moving up a little bit and Democrats been moving down a lot.”
Van Susteren wondered what potential GOP candidates should do to take advantage of the Iowa slide and to prevail in other battleground states.
“Look, I think they’ve got to evaluate their records — what have they done in their life that gives you confidence that they can actually do what they say. What is it that they’re specifically advocating,” Rove said. “It’s one thing to be critical of President Obama — as all of them are in a very articulate fashion. But what is it that they would do . . . to get the economy growing again?
“And it’s just a question of authenticity and credibility,” he said. “In a presidential election, we oft-times vote for people that we don’t fully agree with but because we have confidence in them, because we like them, because they seem to be approachable, and because they seem to be authentic. And we’re willing to forgive a candidate some disagreements if we come to that kind of an understanding of them.”
Read more on Newsmax.com: Rove: Obama Has Discarded Presidential Duties
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House Speaker John Boehner says President Barack Obama is spending far too much time worrying about the 2012 election at the expense of what Americans
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/JohnBoehner-economy-debt-ceiling/2011/06/29/id/401805
prioritizing debt payment brilliant go bachmann fuck geitner
http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Geithner-prioritizing-US-Debt/2011/06/29/id/401861
2:54:33 AM) Gutmeal: Why do Americans enjoy discussing politics? (2:54:34 AM) JeffBarea: lol i always figured that was why that maths guy who went ins
2:54:33 AM) Gutmeal: Why do Americans enjoy discussing politics?
(2:54:34 AM) JeffBarea: lol i always figured that was why that maths guy who went insane conclusively proving 1 + 1 = 2
(2:54:35 AM) ri0tdorque: tra la la
(2:54:48 AM) JeffBarea: cuz he realized that it could be both
(2:54:53 AM) JeffBarea: and didn't make sense to him
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(2:54:57 AM) ri0tdorque: ummm define 'enjoy' ~ I think they more like to feel well...fuck if i know i'm tired
(2:55:01 AM) ri0tdorque: y0 JeffBarea
(2:55:22 AM) JeffBarea: yo ho ho riot, sposed to be mates ona pirate ship this am
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(2:55:29 AM) odin99: cuz others make such a mess of it
(2:55:38 AM) odin99: and have failed economies
(2:55:41 AM) odin99: unliek ours
(2:55:46 AM) odin99: although dems wana change that
(2:55:51 AM) odin99: usa is no 1
(2:55:53 AM) odin99: no 1 baby
(2:55:56 AM) JeffBarea: lol my economy is wrecked
(2:55:59 AM) melik: Gutmeal: because they're stubborn religious morons and just like arguing
(2:56:03 AM) odin99: and your asses be speakin da german if not for usa
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(2:56:12 AM) JeffBarea: kinda hard to hold down a job and keep running around duct taping the universe at the same time
(2:56:17 AM) odin99: im polytheistic
(2:56:20 AM) odin99: I love handjobs
(2:56:25 AM) ri0tdorque: why?
(2:56:26 AM) Gutmeal: Rofl.
(2:56:33 AM) ri0tdorque: I mean....are they that different from fapping?
(2:56:33 AM) odin99: I think welfare should be onyl given if 24 handjobs a day are performed
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(2:56:37 AM) odin99: handjos baby
(2:56:40 AM) odin99: the job anyone can do
(2:56:42 AM) odin99: and do well
(2:56:46 AM) rinvelfi: stfu
(2:56:46 AM) odin99: and helps society
(2:54:34 AM) JeffBarea: lol i always figured that was why that maths guy who went insane conclusively proving 1 + 1 = 2
(2:54:35 AM) ri0tdorque: tra la la
(2:54:48 AM) JeffBarea: cuz he realized that it could be both
(2:54:53 AM) JeffBarea: and didn't make sense to him
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(2:54:57 AM) ri0tdorque: ummm define 'enjoy' ~ I think they more like to feel well...fuck if i know i'm tired
(2:55:01 AM) ri0tdorque: y0 JeffBarea
(2:55:22 AM) JeffBarea: yo ho ho riot, sposed to be mates ona pirate ship this am
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(2:55:29 AM) odin99: cuz others make such a mess of it
(2:55:38 AM) odin99: and have failed economies
(2:55:41 AM) odin99: unliek ours
(2:55:46 AM) odin99: although dems wana change that
(2:55:51 AM) odin99: usa is no 1
(2:55:53 AM) odin99: no 1 baby
(2:55:56 AM) JeffBarea: lol my economy is wrecked
(2:55:59 AM) melik: Gutmeal: because they're stubborn religious morons and just like arguing
(2:56:03 AM) odin99: and your asses be speakin da german if not for usa
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(2:56:12 AM) JeffBarea: kinda hard to hold down a job and keep running around duct taping the universe at the same time
(2:56:17 AM) odin99: im polytheistic
(2:56:20 AM) odin99: I love handjobs
(2:56:25 AM) ri0tdorque: why?
(2:56:26 AM) Gutmeal: Rofl.
(2:56:33 AM) ri0tdorque: I mean....are they that different from fapping?
(2:56:33 AM) odin99: I think welfare should be onyl given if 24 handjobs a day are performed
(2:56:36 AM) shipit left the room (quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer).
(2:56:37 AM) odin99: handjos baby
(2:56:40 AM) odin99: the job anyone can do
(2:56:42 AM) odin99: and do well
(2:56:46 AM) rinvelfi: stfu
(2:56:46 AM) odin99: and helps society
“It’s immoral for you guys to have laws so complicated that I have to hire people” to figure them out, Kirkham said.
“It’s immoral for you guys to have laws so complicated that I have to hire people” to figure them out, Kirkham said.
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/BGOVLEGIS-BGOVTAX-BNALL-BNSTAFF/2011/06/28/id/401783
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/BGOVLEGIS-BGOVTAX-BNALL-BNSTAFF/2011/06/28/id/401783
I say eeryone who wants welfare msut give 24 handjobs a day
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(1:23:35 AM) j0tev: i can't believe how much i'm enjoying red dead redemption
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(1:24:49 AM) zeezey: you just got it?
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(1:25:10 AM) JeffBarea: yeah jotev
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(1:25:57 AM) j0tev: yeah i waited for the price to drop i picked up a used copy at gamestop and wow it was worth every penny
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(1:26:10 AM) JeffBarea: on shoutbox, i like how google has a button for refined search and one for random
(1:26:21 AM) j0tev: i guess i've always liked western stuff, I was really amazed it had mixed reviews people saying it's like GTA with horses, well it handles and runs on the same engine but its so much more
(1:26:31 AM) JeffBarea: but random also includes internally random as opposed to universally random
(1:26:48 AM) zeezey: yea its pretty good
(1:28:28 AM) odin99: can u beat up the girl and get your $$ back?
(1:28:43 AM) Paradox: im tired now
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(1:29:42 AM) odin99: wow
(1:29:46 AM) odin99: 14.5T in debt
(1:29:54 AM) odin99: and obama wants 600m more taxes
(1:29:55 AM) caco12: 14.5 Terrabytes in debt :o
(1:29:56 AM) odin99: weee wooo
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(1:30:04 AM) odin99: dems please explain
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(1:30:18 AM) caco12: hey
(1:30:23 AM) caco12: atleast you killed osama right
(1:30:35 AM) odin99: zz
(1:30:36 AM) odin99: and?
(1:30:37 AM) odin99: lol
(1:31:02 AM) derdon [~derdon@p54A6ECB0.dip.t-dialin.net] entered the room.
(1:31:03 AM) caco12: well, if you kept osama alive you could probably been like "hey do you wanna catch this fucker or what, so pay more taxes"
(1:31:04 AM) zeezey: suck cocks
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(1:31:15 AM) mbouffard: need some terabytez?
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(1:31:19 AM) odin99: 5T in deficit and war < 1T
(1:31:29 AM) odin99: I cant believe our deficit so big
(1:31:31 AM) odin99: wow
(1:31:39 AM) odin99: I am for the fair tax
(1:31:40 AM) mbouffard: wonder what ours is
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(1:32:17 AM) odin99: I totally think tax should be on consumption not income
(1:32:35 AM) j0tev: the US is a much bigger threat to the world than any communist dictatorship ever was
(1:32:45 AM) j0tev: bush = hitler imo
(1:32:57 AM) j0tev: obama is better, but he still reports t higher powers
(1:33:20 AM) j0tev: if i had the option, i would get as far away from this planet as possible just to be as far away from the US as possible
(1:33:26 AM) Stormkitty: imo Hitler = Hitler
(1:33:28 AM) zeezey: lol
(1:33:29 AM) Stormkitty: and bush = bush
(1:33:51 AM) caco12: not even the good kind of bush
(1:33:51 AM) odin99: but hitler was a national socialsit a lefty
(1:33:59 AM) odin99: bush was righ twinger
(1:34:00 AM) caco12: dont forget a mass murderer
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(1:34:07 AM) odin99: I dont get how bush ran up debt
(1:34:10 AM) Stormkitty: He was about as socialist as the East German Republic was democratic
(1:34:11 AM) odin99: what was he spending on?
(1:34:14 AM) odin99: war didnt do it
(1:34:17 AM) j0tev: bush should be convicted for war crimes
(1:34:19 AM) zeezey: tax breaks
(1:34:20 AM) odin99: war <1T
(1:34:22 AM) Stormkitty: odin99, his tax cuts
(1:34:25 AM) odin99: tax cuts
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(1:34:36 AM) odin99: but those made economy better
(1:34:37 AM) Stormkitty: That's what cutting taxes does
(1:34:43 AM) odin99: remember 2008 is feddie fanny fed and dems
(1:34:47 AM) j0tev: eisenhower should have been convicted for war crimes
(1:34:52 AM) odin99: onyl governmetn finance can inflate
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(1:35:00 AM) j0tev: regan should be convicted for crimes against his own people
(1:35:05 AM) odin99: free market never loan $$ dont have cuz u go outa biz
(1:35:13 AM) odin99: bush was good president
(1:35:17 AM) caco12: ...........
(1:35:19 AM) zeezey: lol
(1:35:29 AM) odin99: just 2008 from cliton fed dems fannie freddy and governmetn finance blew up on him
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(1:35:39 AM) odin99: bush was better than obama
(1:35:45 AM) Hals: yeh man
(1:35:49 AM) caco12: i live on the other side of the world and we can see even he wasnt. yet again, australian politics is backwards as fuck
(1:35:50 AM) odin99: and clinton honestly got a lot from newt and republican congress
(1:35:52 AM) Hals: better in everything then obama does now
(1:35:57 AM) caco12: clintonw as the first real black president man
(1:36:03 AM) odin99: I didnt know % gain in governemtn spedning undr clinton < reagan
(1:36:05 AM) opsyme: bush fucking went to war because jesus told him there where demons in the middle east
(1:36:09 AM) opsyme: best president EVER
(1:36:12 AM) odin99: and still not as good gains as reagan economy
(1:36:30 AM) odin99: a deficit happens when you spend more than you take in
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(1:36:36 AM) odin99: too much union pensions
(1:36:42 AM) odin99: too much free shit for non workers
(1:36:46 AM) odin99: thats how get defic
(1:36:54 AM) odin99: each guy you pay to not work
(1:36:59 AM) opsyme: a deficit happens when you spend trillions of dollars killing foreigners for no fucking reason
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(1:37:08 AM) odin99: is double since same guy would have to produce to get laid and eat if u not give handout
(1:37:09 AM) odin99: whew
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(1:24:49 AM) zeezey: you just got it?
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(1:25:10 AM) JeffBarea: yeah jotev
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(1:25:57 AM) j0tev: yeah i waited for the price to drop i picked up a used copy at gamestop and wow it was worth every penny
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(1:26:10 AM) JeffBarea: on shoutbox, i like how google has a button for refined search and one for random
(1:26:21 AM) j0tev: i guess i've always liked western stuff, I was really amazed it had mixed reviews people saying it's like GTA with horses, well it handles and runs on the same engine but its so much more
(1:26:31 AM) JeffBarea: but random also includes internally random as opposed to universally random
(1:26:48 AM) zeezey: yea its pretty good
(1:28:28 AM) odin99: can u beat up the girl and get your $$ back?
(1:28:43 AM) Paradox: im tired now
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(1:29:42 AM) odin99: wow
(1:29:46 AM) odin99: 14.5T in debt
(1:29:54 AM) odin99: and obama wants 600m more taxes
(1:29:55 AM) caco12: 14.5 Terrabytes in debt :o
(1:29:56 AM) odin99: weee wooo
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(1:30:04 AM) odin99: dems please explain
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(1:30:18 AM) caco12: hey
(1:30:23 AM) caco12: atleast you killed osama right
(1:30:35 AM) odin99: zz
(1:30:36 AM) odin99: and?
(1:30:37 AM) odin99: lol
(1:31:02 AM) derdon [~derdon@p54A6ECB0.dip.t-dialin.net] entered the room.
(1:31:03 AM) caco12: well, if you kept osama alive you could probably been like "hey do you wanna catch this fucker or what, so pay more taxes"
(1:31:04 AM) zeezey: suck cocks
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(1:31:15 AM) mbouffard: need some terabytez?
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(1:31:19 AM) odin99: 5T in deficit and war < 1T
(1:31:29 AM) odin99: I cant believe our deficit so big
(1:31:31 AM) odin99: wow
(1:31:39 AM) odin99: I am for the fair tax
(1:31:40 AM) mbouffard: wonder what ours is
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(1:32:17 AM) odin99: I totally think tax should be on consumption not income
(1:32:35 AM) j0tev: the US is a much bigger threat to the world than any communist dictatorship ever was
(1:32:45 AM) j0tev: bush = hitler imo
(1:32:57 AM) j0tev: obama is better, but he still reports t higher powers
(1:33:20 AM) j0tev: if i had the option, i would get as far away from this planet as possible just to be as far away from the US as possible
(1:33:26 AM) Stormkitty: imo Hitler = Hitler
(1:33:28 AM) zeezey: lol
(1:33:29 AM) Stormkitty: and bush = bush
(1:33:51 AM) caco12: not even the good kind of bush
(1:33:51 AM) odin99: but hitler was a national socialsit a lefty
(1:33:59 AM) odin99: bush was righ twinger
(1:34:00 AM) caco12: dont forget a mass murderer
(1:34:06 AM) clearlyspam [~clearlysp@96-40-179-29.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] entered the room.
(1:34:07 AM) odin99: I dont get how bush ran up debt
(1:34:10 AM) Stormkitty: He was about as socialist as the East German Republic was democratic
(1:34:11 AM) odin99: what was he spending on?
(1:34:14 AM) odin99: war didnt do it
(1:34:17 AM) j0tev: bush should be convicted for war crimes
(1:34:19 AM) zeezey: tax breaks
(1:34:20 AM) odin99: war <1T
(1:34:22 AM) Stormkitty: odin99, his tax cuts
(1:34:25 AM) odin99: tax cuts
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(1:34:36 AM) odin99: but those made economy better
(1:34:37 AM) Stormkitty: That's what cutting taxes does
(1:34:43 AM) odin99: remember 2008 is feddie fanny fed and dems
(1:34:47 AM) j0tev: eisenhower should have been convicted for war crimes
(1:34:52 AM) odin99: onyl governmetn finance can inflate
(1:35:00 AM) trif [~chatzilla@71-10-88-65.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] entered the room.
(1:35:00 AM) j0tev: regan should be convicted for crimes against his own people
(1:35:05 AM) odin99: free market never loan $$ dont have cuz u go outa biz
(1:35:13 AM) odin99: bush was good president
(1:35:17 AM) caco12: ...........
(1:35:19 AM) zeezey: lol
(1:35:29 AM) odin99: just 2008 from cliton fed dems fannie freddy and governmetn finance blew up on him
(1:35:38 AM) humma_kavula [hhgttg@unaffiliated/hummakavula/x-458624] entered the room.
(1:35:39 AM) odin99: bush was better than obama
(1:35:45 AM) Hals: yeh man
(1:35:49 AM) caco12: i live on the other side of the world and we can see even he wasnt. yet again, australian politics is backwards as fuck
(1:35:50 AM) odin99: and clinton honestly got a lot from newt and republican congress
(1:35:52 AM) Hals: better in everything then obama does now
(1:35:57 AM) caco12: clintonw as the first real black president man
(1:36:03 AM) odin99: I didnt know % gain in governemtn spedning undr clinton < reagan
(1:36:05 AM) opsyme: bush fucking went to war because jesus told him there where demons in the middle east
(1:36:09 AM) opsyme: best president EVER
(1:36:12 AM) odin99: and still not as good gains as reagan economy
(1:36:30 AM) odin99: a deficit happens when you spend more than you take in
(1:36:30 AM) tripelb left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving).
(1:36:36 AM) odin99: too much union pensions
(1:36:42 AM) odin99: too much free shit for non workers
(1:36:46 AM) odin99: thats how get defic
(1:36:54 AM) odin99: each guy you pay to not work
(1:36:59 AM) opsyme: a deficit happens when you spend trillions of dollars killing foreigners for no fucking reason
(1:36:59 AM) Jewbacchus left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 276 seconds).
(1:37:08 AM) odin99: is double since same guy would have to produce to get laid and eat if u not give handout
(1:37:09 AM) odin99: whew
Obama Pushes $600 Billion in New Taxes in Debt Talks Monday, 27 Jun 2011 05:30 PM By Martin Gould Share: More . . . A A | Emai
Obama Pushes $600 Billion in New Taxes in Debt Talks
Monday, 27 Jun 2011 05:30 PM
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President Barack Obama threw the talks on the debt ceiling crisis into turmoil on Monday afternoon by proposing a $600 billion tax hike before even meeting with Republican Senate Leader Mitch McConnell.
Just as Democrats and Republicans seemed to be inching toward an agreement that would stave off the prospect of a default on the nation’s debts, Obama introduced a measure that is sure to have the GOP howling in opposition.
The new wrench in the works drew scorn from conservatives.
"The Democrats’ insistence on touting their desire to 'end tax breaks to oil and gas companies' is becoming quite tiresome," wrote Andrew Stiles at the National Review's website. "It’s basically their only specific new tax proposal, but would amount to saving of just $21 billion over a decade. That’s a long way to $600 billion."
Other conservatives ridiculed the idea that the White House could be taking such a proposal seriously.
"The White House has proposed raising about $600 billion in new tax revenue, including ending subsidies to oil and gas companies, an idea that failed in the Senate," wrote Bryan Preston at the conservative PJ Tattler blog on Pajamas Media.
"It failed in a Democrat-controlled Senate, and with good reason: It’s a terrible idea. I was at first tempted to post a hoary old Admiral Ackbar – “It’s a trap!” graphic on this story, but it doesn’t really merit that," Preston continued. "Calling it a trap at least implies that the GOP might fall for it. Honestly, I don’t see that happening. So if it’s not a trap, what is this? For one thing, it’s the Democrats’ answer to everything. For another, it’s class warfare, which is also the Democrats’ answer to everything."
The move came as Republicans signaled that they were finally prepared to talk about cuts to military spending, one of the major roadblocks to agreement.
“When we say everything is on the table, that’s what we mean,” House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy said before Obama’s announcement.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney announced the tax proposals after Obama met Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Monday morning. He is due to meet McConnell later in the day in a bid to find “common ground.” It is the first time the president has personally gotten involved in the debt ceiling talks.
Carney said the president is still hopeful that the two sides can come to an agreement but said Republicans have to realize that some taxes must go up. "It's the only way to get it done," Carney said.
Among Obama’s proposals are an end to tax breaks for big companies and the richest and taxing equity and hedge fund managers on income tax rates rather than capital gains tax rates.
Other changes include changing depreciation rules on corporate jets, limiting itemized deductions for the wealthy and repealing a tax benefit that companies use for inventory accounting.
Earlier the Republicans were making it clear that such tax increases are the only point on which there can be no negotiation, so Obama’s move seems almost assured to stall the talks once more. McConnell said, "It is my hope that the president will take those off the table today so that we can have a serious discussion about our country's economic future."
The president has just five weeks to bring the two sides to an agreement that will allow the country to raise the $14.3 trillion ceiling before August 2 or risk defaulting on its debts. Last week, bipartisan talks led by Vice President Joe Biden fell apart when the GOP representatives walked out.
House Speaker John Boehner insisted the increase in the limit must be offset with spending cuts without any tax hikes.
"These are the realities of the situation," he said. "If the president and his allies want the debt limit increased, it is only going to happen via a measure that meets these tests."
And McConnell added, “Throwing more tax revenue into the mix is not going to produce a desirable result, and it won't pass. Putting aside that Republicans don't like to raise taxes, Democrats don't either."
For the Democrats, Carney said, "We won't support an approach that gives millionaires and billionaires $200,000 tax cuts annually while 33 seniors pay for that with $6,000 per person increase in their Medicare costs.”
Biden had been leading the talks that had involved Rep. Eric Cantor and Sen. Jon Kyl on the GOP side and Sens. Max Baucus and Daniel Inouye and Reps. James Clyburn and Chris Van Holland for the Democrats. But they came to a screeching halt when Cantor walked out on Thursday and Kyl followed.
Carney said the involvement of the president, and the leaders of the two parties in both the Senate and the House had always been inevitable. "It is not as though this negotiating group could simply declare into law what they agreed on,” he said. “The process was always going to have to proceed out of the negotiating room and move forward with the engagement of the speaker, Senate leaders, the House minority leader, the president, et cetera."
Before the president’s statement, both sides seemed to be softening. Republicans had started to talk of military cuts in recent days, especially as troops prepare to leave both Afghanistan and Iraq.
Previously defense spending had been seen as non-negotiable within the GOP. But news stories that have revealed the military is spending $20 billion a year in air conditioning costs alone have suggested there is room for cuts at the Pentagon.
Freshman GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, an active-duty Air National Guardsman who flew missions in Iraq, acknowledged in The Washington Post that defense spending is “a pillar of Republican strength.” But he added, “Look, I know there are sacred cows, but we cannot afford them anymore,”
And another Republican, Rep. Robert Hurt of Virginia, added, “I would never support anything that would reduce the safety of the troops on the ground. But bureaucracy is bureaucracy, and there are ways to get at it, even in the Pentagon.”
The Democrats moved too. Before he left the talks, Cantor had even praised them for finding $2 trillion in cuts over 10 years.
Now the prospect of any agreement leaves Boehner with the most to lose. Many pundits believe Cantor’s decision to quit the talks was a politically motivated bid to score points with tea party members and other conservatives in the GOP.
“The speaker is now politically exposed to fire from every direction as he goes into the final phase of negotiations with President Obama and the Democrats,” Fox News analyst Juan Williams wrote in The Hill.
Williams had harsh words for Cantor, saying he “threw Boehner under the bus,” by leaving the talks and telling The Wall Street Journal before informing leaders of his own party. “Now there is a new and profoundly rude way to announce a political divorce,” wrote Williams.
“The bottom line is that Cantor’s decision to abdicate any pretense of being a political leader set a trap for Boehner.”
The political implications are also huge for Obama, who won’t want to go into next year’s election as the president who allowed the country to default.
A Gallup poll last week showed his approval rating has slumped to 45 percent, trailing his disapproval rating of 48 percent. A poll from The Hill earlier this month showed 48 percent of likely voters believe he has hurt the economy, and only 41 percent think he’s helped it.
Monday, 27 Jun 2011 05:30 PM
By Martin Gould
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President Barack Obama threw the talks on the debt ceiling crisis into turmoil on Monday afternoon by proposing a $600 billion tax hike before even meeting with Republican Senate Leader Mitch McConnell.
Just as Democrats and Republicans seemed to be inching toward an agreement that would stave off the prospect of a default on the nation’s debts, Obama introduced a measure that is sure to have the GOP howling in opposition.
The new wrench in the works drew scorn from conservatives.
"The Democrats’ insistence on touting their desire to 'end tax breaks to oil and gas companies' is becoming quite tiresome," wrote Andrew Stiles at the National Review's website. "It’s basically their only specific new tax proposal, but would amount to saving of just $21 billion over a decade. That’s a long way to $600 billion."
Other conservatives ridiculed the idea that the White House could be taking such a proposal seriously.
"The White House has proposed raising about $600 billion in new tax revenue, including ending subsidies to oil and gas companies, an idea that failed in the Senate," wrote Bryan Preston at the conservative PJ Tattler blog on Pajamas Media.
"It failed in a Democrat-controlled Senate, and with good reason: It’s a terrible idea. I was at first tempted to post a hoary old Admiral Ackbar – “It’s a trap!” graphic on this story, but it doesn’t really merit that," Preston continued. "Calling it a trap at least implies that the GOP might fall for it. Honestly, I don’t see that happening. So if it’s not a trap, what is this? For one thing, it’s the Democrats’ answer to everything. For another, it’s class warfare, which is also the Democrats’ answer to everything."
The move came as Republicans signaled that they were finally prepared to talk about cuts to military spending, one of the major roadblocks to agreement.
“When we say everything is on the table, that’s what we mean,” House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy said before Obama’s announcement.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney announced the tax proposals after Obama met Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Monday morning. He is due to meet McConnell later in the day in a bid to find “common ground.” It is the first time the president has personally gotten involved in the debt ceiling talks.
Carney said the president is still hopeful that the two sides can come to an agreement but said Republicans have to realize that some taxes must go up. "It's the only way to get it done," Carney said.
Among Obama’s proposals are an end to tax breaks for big companies and the richest and taxing equity and hedge fund managers on income tax rates rather than capital gains tax rates.
Other changes include changing depreciation rules on corporate jets, limiting itemized deductions for the wealthy and repealing a tax benefit that companies use for inventory accounting.
Earlier the Republicans were making it clear that such tax increases are the only point on which there can be no negotiation, so Obama’s move seems almost assured to stall the talks once more. McConnell said, "It is my hope that the president will take those off the table today so that we can have a serious discussion about our country's economic future."
The president has just five weeks to bring the two sides to an agreement that will allow the country to raise the $14.3 trillion ceiling before August 2 or risk defaulting on its debts. Last week, bipartisan talks led by Vice President Joe Biden fell apart when the GOP representatives walked out.
House Speaker John Boehner insisted the increase in the limit must be offset with spending cuts without any tax hikes.
"These are the realities of the situation," he said. "If the president and his allies want the debt limit increased, it is only going to happen via a measure that meets these tests."
And McConnell added, “Throwing more tax revenue into the mix is not going to produce a desirable result, and it won't pass. Putting aside that Republicans don't like to raise taxes, Democrats don't either."
For the Democrats, Carney said, "We won't support an approach that gives millionaires and billionaires $200,000 tax cuts annually while 33 seniors pay for that with $6,000 per person increase in their Medicare costs.”
Biden had been leading the talks that had involved Rep. Eric Cantor and Sen. Jon Kyl on the GOP side and Sens. Max Baucus and Daniel Inouye and Reps. James Clyburn and Chris Van Holland for the Democrats. But they came to a screeching halt when Cantor walked out on Thursday and Kyl followed.
Carney said the involvement of the president, and the leaders of the two parties in both the Senate and the House had always been inevitable. "It is not as though this negotiating group could simply declare into law what they agreed on,” he said. “The process was always going to have to proceed out of the negotiating room and move forward with the engagement of the speaker, Senate leaders, the House minority leader, the president, et cetera."
Before the president’s statement, both sides seemed to be softening. Republicans had started to talk of military cuts in recent days, especially as troops prepare to leave both Afghanistan and Iraq.
Previously defense spending had been seen as non-negotiable within the GOP. But news stories that have revealed the military is spending $20 billion a year in air conditioning costs alone have suggested there is room for cuts at the Pentagon.
Freshman GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, an active-duty Air National Guardsman who flew missions in Iraq, acknowledged in The Washington Post that defense spending is “a pillar of Republican strength.” But he added, “Look, I know there are sacred cows, but we cannot afford them anymore,”
And another Republican, Rep. Robert Hurt of Virginia, added, “I would never support anything that would reduce the safety of the troops on the ground. But bureaucracy is bureaucracy, and there are ways to get at it, even in the Pentagon.”
The Democrats moved too. Before he left the talks, Cantor had even praised them for finding $2 trillion in cuts over 10 years.
Now the prospect of any agreement leaves Boehner with the most to lose. Many pundits believe Cantor’s decision to quit the talks was a politically motivated bid to score points with tea party members and other conservatives in the GOP.
“The speaker is now politically exposed to fire from every direction as he goes into the final phase of negotiations with President Obama and the Democrats,” Fox News analyst Juan Williams wrote in The Hill.
Williams had harsh words for Cantor, saying he “threw Boehner under the bus,” by leaving the talks and telling The Wall Street Journal before informing leaders of his own party. “Now there is a new and profoundly rude way to announce a political divorce,” wrote Williams.
“The bottom line is that Cantor’s decision to abdicate any pretense of being a political leader set a trap for Boehner.”
The political implications are also huge for Obama, who won’t want to go into next year’s election as the president who allowed the country to default.
A Gallup poll last week showed his approval rating has slumped to 45 percent, trailing his disapproval rating of 48 percent. A poll from The Hill earlier this month showed 48 percent of likely voters believe he has hurt the economy, and only 41 percent think he’s helped it.
Tuesday, June 28, 2011
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_Dyson#Dyson_tree
the fuckers seem to just spit out 1000s of dungeons n dragosn liek ideas nonstop
and somehow get massive government tax subsidies
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and somehow get massive government tax subsidies
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Christie Signs Bill Reining in Employee Benefits
Christie Signs Bill Reining in Employee Benefits
Tuesday, 28 Jun 2011 02:43 PM
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TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has signed landmark employee benefits legislation requiring a half-million public workers to pay more for pension and health benefits.
Christie says the move is necessary to shore up the state's badly underfunded retirement systems. He predicts New Jersey's fix will be emulated nationally by other states facing similar shortfalls.
The Republican governor says the bill he signed Tuesday got through the Legislature because of bipartisan support.
Democrats who lead the Legislature supported it. But most rank-and-file lawmakers sided with public-sector unions in opposing it.
The bill puts benefits for teachers, police and other public workers more in line with the private sector.
More than 8,000 demonstrated at the Capitol last week in the last of three union-sponsored protests.
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TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has signed landmark employee benefits legislation requiring a half-million public workers to pay more for pension and health benefits.
Christie says the move is necessary to shore up the state's badly underfunded retirement systems. He predicts New Jersey's fix will be emulated nationally by other states facing similar shortfalls.
The Republican governor says the bill he signed Tuesday got through the Legislature because of bipartisan support.
Democrats who lead the Legislature supported it. But most rank-and-file lawmakers sided with public-sector unions in opposing it.
The bill puts benefits for teachers, police and other public workers more in line with the private sector.
More than 8,000 demonstrated at the Capitol last week in the last of three union-sponsored protests.
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Herman Cain: Stewart's Mocking Black Conservatism
Herman Cain: Stewart's Mocking Black Conservatism
Tuesday, 28 Jun 2011 04:45 AM
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Presidential candidate Herman Cain told Fox News’ Juan Williams Monday liberal comedian Jon Stewart mocked him not because he is a black — but because Stewart cannot fathom how a black man can be a conservative. But Cain also said that Stewart’s using an “Amos-and-Andy” inflection was particularly offensive.
On his Comedy Central program “The Daily Show” last week, Stewart ridiculed Cain, saying, "No bill will be longer than three pages, treaties will be on the backs of cereal boxes. I’m Herman Cain, and I don’t like to read.”
On several occasions, Cain had attacked Congress’ propensity for excessively lengthy legislation with the quip bills should only be three-pages long.
“Jon Stewart is a comedian — I understand that,” Cain said. “But when he starts to mock the three-page joke, him being a comedian, he ought to have known that that was a joke. But he took it seriously and then he started to stretch it out with all of the other stuff.
“Now, when he mocked me in the dialect of the old ‘Amos and Andy’ — I think that was a bit much,” he said. “But you know, he is a comedian — I’m running for office. I’m a problem-solver.”
Cain stressed he doesn’t think Stewart and other liberals chastise his ideas and presidential aspirations because he is black, but because they believe blacks should not be conservatives.
“Jon Stewart does not like me, in my opinion, because I’m an American black conservative — because I’m black and conservative — I think he probably has a bigger problem with that than he does the whole race thing,” Cain said. “So, see the thing is the whole race thing is whole lot less important to me than the fact that I am conservative.”Read more on Newsmax.com: Herman Cain: Stewart's Mocking Black Conservatism Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
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Presidential candidate Herman Cain told Fox News’ Juan Williams Monday liberal comedian Jon Stewart mocked him not because he is a black — but because Stewart cannot fathom how a black man can be a conservative. But Cain also said that Stewart’s using an “Amos-and-Andy” inflection was particularly offensive.
On his Comedy Central program “The Daily Show” last week, Stewart ridiculed Cain, saying, "No bill will be longer than three pages, treaties will be on the backs of cereal boxes. I’m Herman Cain, and I don’t like to read.”
On several occasions, Cain had attacked Congress’ propensity for excessively lengthy legislation with the quip bills should only be three-pages long.
“Jon Stewart is a comedian — I understand that,” Cain said. “But when he starts to mock the three-page joke, him being a comedian, he ought to have known that that was a joke. But he took it seriously and then he started to stretch it out with all of the other stuff.
“Now, when he mocked me in the dialect of the old ‘Amos and Andy’ — I think that was a bit much,” he said. “But you know, he is a comedian — I’m running for office. I’m a problem-solver.”
Cain stressed he doesn’t think Stewart and other liberals chastise his ideas and presidential aspirations because he is black, but because they believe blacks should not be conservatives.
“Jon Stewart does not like me, in my opinion, because I’m an American black conservative — because I’m black and conservative — I think he probably has a bigger problem with that than he does the whole race thing,” Cain said. “So, see the thing is the whole race thing is whole lot less important to me than the fact that I am conservative.”Read more on Newsmax.com: Herman Cain: Stewart's Mocking Black Conservatism Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
Rove: Americans Tired of Blaming Bush
Rove: Americans Tired of Blaming Bush
Tuesday, 28 Jun 2011 04:55 AM
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Former presidential adviser Karl Rove says Americans are tired of the Obama administration blaming a dilapidated economy on President George W. Bush. Rove also said Monday on Fox News that it is President Barack Obama who claimed the economy would be solvent after the first few years of his presidency and it’s time to go to the airwaves and inform the American people of the false claims.
Rove’s political action group Crossroads GPS has begun airing ads attacking Obama’s economic policies and will spend $20 million to air them in several swing states in the next few months. Fox News’ Juan Williams wondered if it wasn’t too soon before the 2012 elections to spend vast amounts on anti-Obama advertising.
“Look, Juan, we’re in the middle of a big battle over the debt ceiling — and the president has wanted more spending,” Rove said. “And the message of these ads, and ads to follow, is going to be that in this battle over the debt ceiling we have to have real reductions in spending and we need to take away the president’s blank check.
“These and the ads that will follow are going to focus in like a laser beam on the fact that this president’s spending policies have hurt our economy — and people are feeling it at the gas pump, at the grocery store, when they go to work, in their pay checks — and they’re concerned about the future,” he said. “And if we want America to be strong and prosperous then we need to restrain spending and take away the blank check that he has had for spending and do so on the vote on the debt ceiling.”
Williams said Democrats have already responded to Rove’s ad blitz, saying the ads cloud over the fact the recession started under Bush, and they will publicize the truth.
“Let them put that up on a television ad and waste their money — the American people are sick and tired of the president blaming everything on his predecessor,” Rove said. “It is his $830 billion stimulus bill that failed. It was he who made these promises on January 9th, 2009 as to what they would do.
“And instead our economy has gotten worse, the debt has gotten higher. Our economic position has gotten weaker and the president is to be held to account for his own policies,” he said. “Let him go out and blame it on his predecessor — the American people are fed up with it — and it makes the president look weak. If they think that’s a good argument then, let them back up it by putting it up on television and I'd love to see him do it.”Read more on Newsmax.com: Rove: Americans Tired of Blaming Bush Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
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Former presidential adviser Karl Rove says Americans are tired of the Obama administration blaming a dilapidated economy on President George W. Bush. Rove also said Monday on Fox News that it is President Barack Obama who claimed the economy would be solvent after the first few years of his presidency and it’s time to go to the airwaves and inform the American people of the false claims.
Rove’s political action group Crossroads GPS has begun airing ads attacking Obama’s economic policies and will spend $20 million to air them in several swing states in the next few months. Fox News’ Juan Williams wondered if it wasn’t too soon before the 2012 elections to spend vast amounts on anti-Obama advertising.
“Look, Juan, we’re in the middle of a big battle over the debt ceiling — and the president has wanted more spending,” Rove said. “And the message of these ads, and ads to follow, is going to be that in this battle over the debt ceiling we have to have real reductions in spending and we need to take away the president’s blank check.
“These and the ads that will follow are going to focus in like a laser beam on the fact that this president’s spending policies have hurt our economy — and people are feeling it at the gas pump, at the grocery store, when they go to work, in their pay checks — and they’re concerned about the future,” he said. “And if we want America to be strong and prosperous then we need to restrain spending and take away the blank check that he has had for spending and do so on the vote on the debt ceiling.”
Williams said Democrats have already responded to Rove’s ad blitz, saying the ads cloud over the fact the recession started under Bush, and they will publicize the truth.
“Let them put that up on a television ad and waste their money — the American people are sick and tired of the president blaming everything on his predecessor,” Rove said. “It is his $830 billion stimulus bill that failed. It was he who made these promises on January 9th, 2009 as to what they would do.
“And instead our economy has gotten worse, the debt has gotten higher. Our economic position has gotten weaker and the president is to be held to account for his own policies,” he said. “Let him go out and blame it on his predecessor — the American people are fed up with it — and it makes the president look weak. If they think that’s a good argument then, let them back up it by putting it up on television and I'd love to see him do it.”Read more on Newsmax.com: Rove: Americans Tired of Blaming Bush Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
Pawlenty: GOP Shouldn't Allow Debt-Ceiling Hike
Pawlenty: GOP Shouldn't Allow Debt-Ceiling Hike
Tuesday, 28 Jun 2011 08:55 AM
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Republican presidential hopeful Tim Pawlenty says the difference between his candidacy and rival Minnesotan Michele Bachmann’s is that he brings executive leadership to the table and has tackled issues, not just talked about them. The former Minnesota governor also said today on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” the debt ceiling should not be raised.“I know Congresswoman Bachmann — I’ve campaigned for her — I’ve respected her over the years and I’ve worked with her over the years . . . but everybody brings something different to the table,” Pawlenty said. “One of the things I bring to the table is a record of executive leadership and results — I’m not just talking about these issues, but actually getting them done: on taxes, on spending, on market-based healthcare reform, public-employee pension reform, and much more.
“I think that’s one of the things people are going to be interested in — have you actually done these things, not just talked about them,” he said.Pawlenty was asked what he thinks about President Barack Obama’s stepping into the debt-ceiling negotiations.“He hasn’t done anything yet,” Pawlenty said. “This debt-ceiling issue is going to be a fork in the road. My view is the Republicans shouldn’t raise it, but if they do raise it, they need to get something permanent, and structural, and meaningful, like a constitutional amendment, real spending caps, and some changes in the spending in the near term.”Host Joe Scarborough asked Pawlenty what Republicans would give up if Democrats are willing to move on entitlement spending and domestic discretionary spending.“I don’t think this is a question of what the Republicans need or what the Democrats need — I think it’s a question of what does the country need,” Pawlenty said. “And setting aside the nonsense — or frankly the BS on both sides — just look at it as a matter of sixth-grade math, Joe: You can look at the spending, you can look at the revenues, they don’t ever catch up. And within 10 years this thing implodes financially.“So this isn’t about Republican or Democrat — it’s about what does America need,” he said. “And a sixth-grader can look at the charts and determine for you that we need to slow down spending.”Read more on Newsmax.com: Pawlenty: GOP Shouldn't Allow Debt-Ceiling Hike Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
Tuesday, 28 Jun 2011 08:55 AM
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Republican presidential hopeful Tim Pawlenty says the difference between his candidacy and rival Minnesotan Michele Bachmann’s is that he brings executive leadership to the table and has tackled issues, not just talked about them. The former Minnesota governor also said today on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” the debt ceiling should not be raised.“I know Congresswoman Bachmann — I’ve campaigned for her — I’ve respected her over the years and I’ve worked with her over the years . . . but everybody brings something different to the table,” Pawlenty said. “One of the things I bring to the table is a record of executive leadership and results — I’m not just talking about these issues, but actually getting them done: on taxes, on spending, on market-based healthcare reform, public-employee pension reform, and much more.
“I think that’s one of the things people are going to be interested in — have you actually done these things, not just talked about them,” he said.Pawlenty was asked what he thinks about President Barack Obama’s stepping into the debt-ceiling negotiations.“He hasn’t done anything yet,” Pawlenty said. “This debt-ceiling issue is going to be a fork in the road. My view is the Republicans shouldn’t raise it, but if they do raise it, they need to get something permanent, and structural, and meaningful, like a constitutional amendment, real spending caps, and some changes in the spending in the near term.”Host Joe Scarborough asked Pawlenty what Republicans would give up if Democrats are willing to move on entitlement spending and domestic discretionary spending.“I don’t think this is a question of what the Republicans need or what the Democrats need — I think it’s a question of what does the country need,” Pawlenty said. “And setting aside the nonsense — or frankly the BS on both sides — just look at it as a matter of sixth-grade math, Joe: You can look at the spending, you can look at the revenues, they don’t ever catch up. And within 10 years this thing implodes financially.“So this isn’t about Republican or Democrat — it’s about what does America need,” he said. “And a sixth-grader can look at the charts and determine for you that we need to slow down spending.”Read more on Newsmax.com: Pawlenty: GOP Shouldn't Allow Debt-Ceiling Hike Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
Tea Party Leader: Confusing Tax Code 'Moral' Outrage
Tea Party Leader: Confusing Tax Code 'Moral' Outrage
Tuesday, 28 Jun 2011 03:35 PM
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Finding a way to simplify the U.S. tax code would enable the federal government to narrow the $345 billion annual gap between what taxpayers owe and what they pay, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus said at a hearing.
“Complexity makes it hard for taxpayers who honestly want to pay their taxes to figure out what they actually owe, and as a result, they often overpay or underpay,” said Baucus, a Montana Democrat, at the hearing today.
Baucus said that in 1987, the year after the last major overhaul of the tax code, the Internal Revenue instruction booklet for individual filers was 56 pages. By 2009 it had grown to 174 pages, Baucus said. The hearing was one of a series of meetings Baucus is holding as Congress mulls an overhaul of the tax system.
David Kirkham, a maker of custom cars in Provo, Utah, and a Tea Party supporter, asked lawmakers at the hearing to streamline the code so he can hire workers for his factory instead of lawyers and accountants to calculate his tax liability.
“It’s immoral for you guys to have laws so complicated that I have to hire people” to figure them out, Kirkham said.
Baucus asked Kirkham what he would do to simplify the code.
Looking at Simplification
“I would eliminate all loopholes,” Kirkham said.
“What would those be?” Baucus asked, and Kirkham said he didn’t know. “I pay somebody else to do that,” Kirkham said.
Kirkham said in a phone interview later that he was invited to the hearing by Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, the ranking Republican on the Finance panel, who may face a primary challenger next year backed by the Tea Party. Kirkham and other Tea Party members appeared yesterday at National Republican Senatorial Committee headquarters to protest Hatch’s endorsement by the group.
“You’ve got to hand it to Senator Hatch,” Kirkham said. “He’s been reaching out.”
Michael Brostek, director of tax policy and administration for the Government Accountability Office, said it isn’t known how much of the tax gap is traceable to the complexity of the code. “Certainly some significant portion is,” Brostek said.
National Taxpayer Advocate Nina Olson said the IRS is a victim of the tax code, too.
“Complexity makes it hard for the IRS to treat all taxpayers well because it’s so complex for them,” she said.
Neither Baucus nor Hatch offered an estimate of how much a simpler tax code might narrow the tax gap.
Hatch cautioned against expecting too much.
“It would be a mistake to put too much deficit reduction hope into that tax gap basket,” Hatch said.Read more on Newsmax.com: Tea Party Leader: Confusing Tax Code 'Moral' Outrage Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
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Finding a way to simplify the U.S. tax code would enable the federal government to narrow the $345 billion annual gap between what taxpayers owe and what they pay, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus said at a hearing.
“Complexity makes it hard for taxpayers who honestly want to pay their taxes to figure out what they actually owe, and as a result, they often overpay or underpay,” said Baucus, a Montana Democrat, at the hearing today.
Baucus said that in 1987, the year after the last major overhaul of the tax code, the Internal Revenue instruction booklet for individual filers was 56 pages. By 2009 it had grown to 174 pages, Baucus said. The hearing was one of a series of meetings Baucus is holding as Congress mulls an overhaul of the tax system.
David Kirkham, a maker of custom cars in Provo, Utah, and a Tea Party supporter, asked lawmakers at the hearing to streamline the code so he can hire workers for his factory instead of lawyers and accountants to calculate his tax liability.
“It’s immoral for you guys to have laws so complicated that I have to hire people” to figure them out, Kirkham said.
Baucus asked Kirkham what he would do to simplify the code.
Looking at Simplification
“I would eliminate all loopholes,” Kirkham said.
“What would those be?” Baucus asked, and Kirkham said he didn’t know. “I pay somebody else to do that,” Kirkham said.
Kirkham said in a phone interview later that he was invited to the hearing by Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, the ranking Republican on the Finance panel, who may face a primary challenger next year backed by the Tea Party. Kirkham and other Tea Party members appeared yesterday at National Republican Senatorial Committee headquarters to protest Hatch’s endorsement by the group.
“You’ve got to hand it to Senator Hatch,” Kirkham said. “He’s been reaching out.”
Michael Brostek, director of tax policy and administration for the Government Accountability Office, said it isn’t known how much of the tax gap is traceable to the complexity of the code. “Certainly some significant portion is,” Brostek said.
National Taxpayer Advocate Nina Olson said the IRS is a victim of the tax code, too.
“Complexity makes it hard for the IRS to treat all taxpayers well because it’s so complex for them,” she said.
Neither Baucus nor Hatch offered an estimate of how much a simpler tax code might narrow the tax gap.
Hatch cautioned against expecting too much.
“It would be a mistake to put too much deficit reduction hope into that tax gap basket,” Hatch said.Read more on Newsmax.com: Tea Party Leader: Confusing Tax Code 'Moral' Outrage Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
Bachmann: Democrats Using 'Scare Tactics' on Debt
Bachmann: Democrats Using 'Scare Tactics' on Debt
Tuesday, 28 Jun 2011 07:41 AM
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WASHINGTON — Newly declared Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann is accusing the Obama administration of using "scare tactics" to pressure Congress into a deal allowing an increase in the government's borrowing authority.
Bachmann tells CBS's "The Early Show" she can't vote for increasing the debt limit unless it is accompanied by "substantial cuts" in spending.
Asked about a possible default when the current borrowing authority expires Aug. 2, the Minnesota Republican says that isn't a risk because "the interest on the debt could easily be paid."
Bachmann says President Barack Obama once acknowledged he wouldn't deserve a second term if he couldn't turn the economy around by his third year in office. She says his stimulus program was a bust because it failed to create 4 million new jobs, as promised.Read more on Newsmax.com: Bachmann: Democrats Using 'Scare Tactics' on Debt Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
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WASHINGTON — Newly declared Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann is accusing the Obama administration of using "scare tactics" to pressure Congress into a deal allowing an increase in the government's borrowing authority.
Bachmann tells CBS's "The Early Show" she can't vote for increasing the debt limit unless it is accompanied by "substantial cuts" in spending.
Asked about a possible default when the current borrowing authority expires Aug. 2, the Minnesota Republican says that isn't a risk because "the interest on the debt could easily be paid."
Bachmann says President Barack Obama once acknowledged he wouldn't deserve a second term if he couldn't turn the economy around by his third year in office. She says his stimulus program was a bust because it failed to create 4 million new jobs, as promised.Read more on Newsmax.com: Bachmann: Democrats Using 'Scare Tactics' on Debt Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
Monday, June 27, 2011
End Game by Peter Schiff
http://www.lewrockwell.com/schiff/schiff127.html
Economic data over the past weeks, punctuated by last week's dismal employment reports, confirm the diminishing impact of the stimulus efforts orchestrated by the Obama Administration and the Federal Reserve. In what must be a huge disappointment to Keynesian enthusiasts, the record doses of both monetary and fiscal narcotics did not produce the desired results. In fact, the size and scope of the "recovery" of the past two years was weaker than would have been expected in a typical business cycle recovery without any stimulus whatsoever. Indeed our current recovery is the weakest on record, despite the biggest jolt of government stimulus ever administered.
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But despite the gathering gloom Austan Goolsbee, the Chairman of the President's Council of Economic Advisors, argued over the weekend that the economy is on the right track and that the recent salvo of horrific economic reports were not significant. The poor numbers, he said, resulted from external factors like the Japanese earthquake and the downgrade of European sovereign debt. I don't know if he really expects anyone to buy his story, but admitting you have a problem is the first step toward recovery.
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In a sign that Mr. Goolsbee may have been getting increasingly uncomfortable with his job of economic propagandist, he abruptly resigned this week. He will be returning to academia where I'm sure he is hoping to avoid blame for the coming economic train wreck.
Although I have made these comparisons before, the parallel between drug addiction and the reliance on economic stimulus is just too strong to ignore. And as with drug addition, an economy builds up a tolerance. Each time the government successively stimulates with printed money or deficit spending, ever larger doses are needed to achieve the same result. Lest we forget, coming into the Crash of 2008, the economy had been on the receiving end of years of over stimulus. President Bush and Alan Greenspan never fully weaned the economy of their shock treatments that followed the dot.com crash and the shock of September 11th.
This time around, the stimulus-fueled recovery is so mild that the economy is already relapsing into recession before the Fed has even begun to tighten. This puts Bernanke in a very difficult position. He either follows through on his loudly trumpeted plans to end quantitative easing this summer, or abandon those plans in favor of more stimulus. Both choices are unappealing.
June 15, 2011
Peter Schiff is president of Euro Pacific Capital and author of The Little Book of Bull Moves in Bear Markets and Crash Proof: How to Profit from the Coming Economic Collapse. His latest book is How an Economy Grows and Why It Crashes.
Copyright © 2011 Euro Pacific Capital
haskell platform archlinux oh yey ya
http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/haskell-platform/
# pacman -S haskell-platform
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
Targets (29): ghc-7.0.3-2 haskell-opengl-2.2.3.0-7.1 freeglut-2.6.0-1
haskell-glut-2.1.2.1-7.1 haskell-transformers-0.2.2.0-3.1
haskell-mtl-2.0.1.0-3.1 haskell-parsec-3.1.1-2.1
haskell-network-2.3.0.2-2.1 haskell-http-4000.1.1-3.1
haskell-hunit-1.2.2.3-2.1 haskell-quickcheck-2.4.0.1-3.1
haskell-xhtml-3000.2.0.1-7.1 haskell-cgi-3001.1.7.4-3.1
haskell-deepseq-1.1.0.2-2.1 haskell-fgl-5.4.2.3-4.1 haskell-syb-0.3-2.1
haskell-haskell-src-1.0.1.4-2.1 haskell-html-1.0.1.2-9.1
haskell-parallel-3.1.0.1-3.1 haskell-regex-base-0.93.2-4.1
haskell-regex-posix-0.94.4-2.1 haskell-regex-compat-0.93.1-4.1
haskell-stm-2.2.0.1-2.1 haskell-text-0.11.0.5-2.1 haskell-zlib-0.5.3.1-2.1
cabal-install-0.10.2-1 alex-2.3.5-1.1 happy-1.18.6-1
haskell-platform-2011.2.0.0-4
Total Download Size: 75.88 MB
Total Installed Size: 735.22 MB
Proceed with installation? [Y/n] y
# pacman -S haskell-platform
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
Targets (29): ghc-7.0.3-2 haskell-opengl-2.2.3.0-7.1 freeglut-2.6.0-1
haskell-glut-2.1.2.1-7.1 haskell-transformers-0.2.2.0-3.1
haskell-mtl-2.0.1.0-3.1 haskell-parsec-3.1.1-2.1
haskell-network-2.3.0.2-2.1 haskell-http-4000.1.1-3.1
haskell-hunit-1.2.2.3-2.1 haskell-quickcheck-2.4.0.1-3.1
haskell-xhtml-3000.2.0.1-7.1 haskell-cgi-3001.1.7.4-3.1
haskell-deepseq-1.1.0.2-2.1 haskell-fgl-5.4.2.3-4.1 haskell-syb-0.3-2.1
haskell-haskell-src-1.0.1.4-2.1 haskell-html-1.0.1.2-9.1
haskell-parallel-3.1.0.1-3.1 haskell-regex-base-0.93.2-4.1
haskell-regex-posix-0.94.4-2.1 haskell-regex-compat-0.93.1-4.1
haskell-stm-2.2.0.1-2.1 haskell-text-0.11.0.5-2.1 haskell-zlib-0.5.3.1-2.1
cabal-install-0.10.2-1 alex-2.3.5-1.1 happy-1.18.6-1
haskell-platform-2011.2.0.0-4
Total Download Size: 75.88 MB
Total Installed Size: 735.22 MB
Proceed with installation? [Y/n] y
Wisconsin justice says court fight led to choking
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9O3Q9D80&show_article=1
Lawmakers work to prevent need for U.S. Postal Service bailout
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/168509-lawmakers-work-to-prevent-need-for-postal-service-bailout
Dem Rep Clyburn: ‘Closing Loopholes’ Isn’t Raising Taxes
http://www.breitbart.tv/dem-rep-clyburn-closing-loopholes-isnt-raising-taxes/
Embarrassing: College Democrats Voice Insipid Reasons for Being Democrat
http://www.breitbart.tv/embarrassing-college-democrats-voice-insipid-reasons-for-being-democrat/
Sunday, June 26, 2011
Romney said that by the end of his first term, Obama will have racked up more debt than all previous U.S. presidents combined — a remark that drew lou
Romney said that by the end of his first term, Obama will have racked up more debt than all previous U.S. presidents combined — a remark that drew loud booing from the crowd.
Romney Criticizes Obama Economic Policies in Utah
Saturday, 25 Jun 2011 12:53 AM
SALT LAKE CITY — Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney criticized President Barack Obama's economic policies Friday at campaign stops in his one-time home state of Utah.
"Gasoline is too expensive, food's too expensive, there's too many people out of work, and there's nothing to be proud of in Barack Obama's economic policies," Romney said from the back of a bright red pickup outside a popular Salt Lake City drive-in restaurant. "My policies will get Americans back to work and let America lead the world as it has in the past."
Romney's stop at the locally owned Hires Big H was his first public appearance in heavily Republican Utah since he announced his bid for the nomination. The event drew about 200 supporters and was bookended by a pair of private fundraisers, including a $1,000-a-plate luncheon at a private home in Orem and a $2,500 per-person reception at a downtown Salt Lake City.
It wasn't clear Friday how much money Romney had raised during his swing through the state.
This is Romney's second bid for the GOP nomination. He's considered the front-runner in a primary field that includes former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachman and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman.
Romney said that by the end of his first term, Obama will have racked up more debt than all previous U.S. presidents combined — a remark that drew loud booing from the crowd.
"He has spent too much money, he has borrowed too much money ... he's put in place the greatest takeover of states' rights with his Obamacare, which we're gonna repeal and reverse," Romney said with his wife of 42 years, Ann, by his side.
Merle and Robert Fullmer, republicans from Midvale, waited about an hour in the hot sun to see the candidate. They said they think Romney, who like the couple is a member of the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, can tackle the nation's economic and foreign policy problems.
"He seems to have integrity and he seems to have the right experience at this particular time in politics," said Robert Fullmer, 78.
A registered Democrat, Anne Ryan, of Portland, Ore., interrupted her Utah visit to bring her husband and two teenage sons to the rally.
"I am a Mitt fan. I've followed his campaign for a long time ... and also this is just such an experience for my son to come see a campaign event," said the 43-year-old, who is also a Mormon.
Ryan, a former computer systems engineer, said it was Romney's performances as Massachusetts' governor and head of the 2002 Olympic Winter Games in Salt Lake City that drew her interest and support.
After the rally, Romney munched on a cheeseburger and talked with local small-business owners and state government leaders about their concerns, including taxes, health insurance costs, entitlement programs and energy policy.
Sabato: GOP Likely to Take Back Senate Friday, 24 Jun 2011 12:22 PM Share: More . . . A A | Email Us | Print | Forward Article Re
Sabato: GOP Likely to Take Back Senate
Friday, 24 Jun 2011 12:22 PM
Republicans need to gain only four seats to win back control of the Senate. And they’re likely to do so easily, says University of Virginia 
political expert Larry Sabato.
"Barring an unexpected re-election landslide by President Obama, Republicans are at least slightly favored to take the Senate. It's just a basic matter of numbers," Sabato wrote in a new report, according to Paul Bedard of U.S. News & World Report.
Sabato forecasts Republicans will keep their seats in North Dakota, Missouri, Montana, and Nebraska. And he thinks the GOP has a good chance to snag Democratic-held seats in Virginia, New Mexico and Wisconsin. Wins in all those races would give Republicans 54 seats in the Senate.
In addition, the GOP has a shot at Democratic seats in Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Connecticut, West Virginia, and Hawaii, Sabato says. Wins in six of those races would give Republicans a filibuster-proof 60-seat presence.
political expert Larry Sabato."Barring an unexpected re-election landslide by President Obama, Republicans are at least slightly favored to take the Senate. It's just a basic matter of numbers," Sabato wrote in a new report, according to Paul Bedard of U.S. News & World Report.
Sabato forecasts Republicans will keep their seats in North Dakota, Missouri, Montana, and Nebraska. And he thinks the GOP has a good chance to snag Democratic-held seats in Virginia, New Mexico and Wisconsin. Wins in all those races would give Republicans 54 seats in the Senate.
In addition, the GOP has a shot at Democratic seats in Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Connecticut, West Virginia, and Hawaii, Sabato says. Wins in six of those races would give Republicans a filibuster-proof 60-seat presence.
Sen. McConnell: Tax Talk Doesn't Help Budget Parley Sunday, 26 Jun 2011 10:45 AM Share: More . . . A A | Email Us | Print | Forwar
Sen. McConnell: Tax Talk Doesn't Help Budget Parley
Sunday, 26 Jun 2011 10:45 AM
WASHINGTON — The Senate's top Republican says throwing more tax revenue into the mix isn't the answer as budget talks move into a new stage.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell tells ABC's "This Week" that proposals to seek more tax revenue won't pass Congress.
McConnell is set to meet with President Barack Obama on Monday evening, and he says the focus should be on proposals that can pass Congress.
Democrats want to raise some revenue by closing loopholes and trimming tax breaks for big companies and wealthy people.
The Democratic leader of the Senate, Harry Reid, is meeting with Obama on Monday morning.
Talks between congressional leaders of both parties ended last week when Republicans walked out amid an impasse over the question of taxes.
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