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People now have the proof that the 14th is a fraud and the congressional records are being circulated like wild fire!

It goes much deeper than that however because that means laws and court decisions to 1913 for sure and possibly all the way back to 1868 are all done under fraud.

The discovery that we have been under a relaxed form of marshal law operating under the war powers act with the military essentially in control and the presidency approaching dictatorial powers and today they are even throwing habeous corpus out the door! Now that is truly serious and troublesome! This country is in deep doo doo

I get the impression they are desperately trying to swim but the people are waking up more each day!

Fraud charges being pressed against judges being tossed aside, excellent paperwork dismissed and they dont even look at it, evidence to prove peoples innocence again dismissed, (especially in tax issues, but basically anything against the loosely stated guv)

There is talk about a specie based monetary system again at high levels so it looks like the world my let us continue with our dollars being the standard world currency but enforce a more stable inflation.

My worry is how will the people react to discover that to ratify the constitutions requires a referendum and their votes and the only thing the people ever voted on in most states was to create the constitution then only with a few exceptions the legislatures took over!

Isnt the internet awesome?

So how will this playbook look and affect the US?
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There are NO JUDICIAL COURTS in America since 1789. JUDGES DO NOT enforce Statutes/Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes/Codes. FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat 138

Therefore, the U.S. citizens residing in one of the states of the union, are classified as property and franchises as an "individual entity, Wheeling Steel Corp. v. Fox, 298 U.S. 193, 80 L.Ed. 1143, 56 S.Ct. 773
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The only fraud involving the 14th amendment is corporate personhood.
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Um, you forgot to post the proof....
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Um, you forgot to post the proof....

how do you define proof? seems everyone out here has a completely different definition for it.

as far as I am concerned history in and of itself proves it. you cant kick the southern states out of the senate and deny suffrage and call it validated law. (amendment)


few cases work for you?


The Legislative Act of February 21, 1871, Forty-first Congress, Session III, Chapter 62, page 419, chartered a Federal company entitled "United States," a/k/a "US Inc.," a "Commercial Agency" originally designated as "Washington, D.C.," in accordance with the so-called 14th Amendment, which the record indicates was never ratified (see Utah Supreme Court Cases, Dyett v Turner, (196 439 P2d 266, 267; State v Phillips, (1975) 540 P 2d 936; as well as Coleman v. Miller, 307 U.S. 448, 59 S. Ct. 972; 28 Tulane Law Review, 22; 11 South Carolina Law Quarterly 484; Congressional Record, June 13, 1967, pp. 15641-15646) . A "citizen of the United States" is a civilly dead entity operating as a co-trustee and co-beneficiary of the PCT, the constructive, cestui que trust of US Inc. under the 14th Amendment, which upholds the debt of the USA and US Inc. in Section 4.
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There are NO JUDICIAL COURTS in America since 1789. JUDGES DO NOT enforce Statutes/Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes/Codes. FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat 138

Therefore, the U.S. citizens residing in one of the states of the union, are classified as property and franchises as an "individual entity, Wheeling Steel Corp. v. Fox, 298 U.S. 193, 80 L.Ed. 1143, 56 S.Ct. 773
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People now have the proof that the 14th is a fraud and the congressional records are being circulated like wild fire!

It goes much deeper than that however because that means laws and court decisions to 1913 for sure and possibly all the way back to 1868 are all done under fraud.

The same forces that gave us Corporate Personhood will ensure that nothing would come of this legal technicallity, regardless of its merits. Which side has the bigger battalion of legal sharks at its command? Remember, a lawyer is one skilled in circumventing the law.
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Um, you forgot to post the proof....
Not to mention a coherent argument of some sort?????
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Not to mention a coherent argument of some sort?????
Will this work for you?

The discovery that we have been under a relaxed form of marshal law operating under the war powers act with the military essentially in control and the presidency approaching dictatorial powers and today they are even throwing habeous corpus out the door! Now that is truly serious and troublesome! This country is in deep doo doo

I get the impression they are desperately trying to swim but the people are waking up more each day!

Fraud charges being pressed against judges being tossed aside, excellent paperwork dismissed and they dont even look at it, evidence to prove peoples innocence again dismissed, (especially in tax issues, but basically anything against the loosely stated guv)

There is talk about a specie based monetary system again at high levels so it looks like the world my let us continue with our dollars being the standard world currency but enforce a more stable inflation.

My worry is how will the people react to discover that to ratify the constitutions requires a referendum and their votes and the only thing the people ever voted on in most states was to create the constitution then only with a few exceptions the legislatures took over!


I guess that is several cogent arguments. pick one
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Therefore, the U.S. citizens residing in one of the states of the union, are classified as property and franchises as an "individual entity, Wheeling Steel Corp. v. Fox, 298 U.S. 193, 80 L.Ed. 1143, 56 S.Ct. 773
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Yes, Habeas Corpus has been weakened, but that is nothing new. I was led to believe that something new was discovered which indicated "fraud against the American people." I'm not sure about the other stuff you posted. Sounds like opinion more than proof.

Decisions by judges that you don't approve of...well, what else is new? Someone always has a beef against just about any court case. I don't see any fraud here...
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where's the beef?

maybe you'll have to restate your premise logically, or more simply for me, because quite frankly, you've given no proof, only petrified allegations?

the 14th Amendment simply reads as follows;
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article
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this amendment has been (most notably section 1), is commonly invoked to "incorporate" civil rights issues.....
i don't see your complaint or logic.....
please illuminate!!!
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Will this work for you?

The discovery that we have been under a relaxed form of marshal law operating under the war powers act with the military essentially in control and the presidency approaching dictatorial powers and today they are even throwing habeous corpus out the door! Now that is truly serious and troublesome! This country is in deep doo doo
If I was one to believe in Bigfoot, Alien abduction, or any of another score of wacky theories believe as gospel by the folk who love such things, it would work for me.

As I consider the entire idea nutty, it don't work.
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