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[06:37] What I do not want to see happening is people being forced to do it because there is no other work for them. [06:37] onl
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What I do not want to see happening is people being forced to do it because there is no other work for them.
[06:37] only slogans and boilerplate statements
[06:37] http://capitalism.org/category/capitalism/page/2/
[06:37] gavino: I dislike expressing strong opinions about something I can't back up.
[06:37] why would there be no other work?
[06:37] Or bigotry makes people throwaway
[06:38] gavino: bigotry.
[06:38] in a capitalist srea since wants are unlmited
[06:38] gavino: I'm an engineer. I'm a rational person, not an emotional one.
[06:38] gavino: Bigotry. Grow up.
[06:38] many people would produce all kinda fo good and servieces
[06:38] unles sof cours ethe govenement tells them not to
[06:38] There are some people no one will hire purely because of bigotry.
[06:38] or demands expensive license
[06:38] This happens in North America and India
[06:38] calling soeonie bigot with no back up is a rahter seriosu calim
[06:38] I dare say in any other country.
[06:38] claim
[06:38] I could also call u a bigot
[06:38] then where are we
[06:38] gavino: Ok, you are now into troll territory with me.
[06:39] I am also highyl rational
[06:39] Guys, kick the troll.
[06:39] bigotry?
[06:39] gavino: You are highly illogical.
[06:39] how so?
[06:39] ignored.
[06:39] ??
[06:39] gavino: No, you're very obviously an emotional person. Nothing wrong with that, though.
[06:39] explain these outalndish claims
[06:39] in your opinion perhaps
[06:39] lol
[06:40] chrisphonk: I don't argue with highly emotional people on IRC. We were having a good discussion until this.
[06:40] I know why I say what I say
[06:40] idea wise
[06:40] that separeates me from majority
[06:40] * Dianora goes does more important stuff
[06:40] gavino: My reason is that you seem to be basing everything you say on emotion. Look through what you've written and it should be obvious.
[06:40] i dont simply cry 'bigotry"
[06:40] no everythign based on fact
[06:40] very basics
[06:40] gavino: you've not brought forward a single logical argument so far
[06:40] Capitalism is the system of laissez faire — the system of freedom — the system that frees man’s mind by allowing him to act by it — the source of all progress.
[06:40] Dianora: Well, yes. It almost never makes sense to argue with an emotional person, IRC or IRL. Not that they views shouldn't be respected, but it's hard to argue.
[06:41] no all arguments ahve bene logical you simply disagree with them
[06:41] since you are miseducated
[06:41] I can't even say that I do because there have been none
[06:41] What is capitalism? Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned. Under capitalism the state is separated from economics (production and trade), just like the state is separated from religion.
[06:41] just apodictic statements
[06:41] http://capitalism.org/category/capitalism/
[06:41] according to you
[06:41] gavino: Well, to be fair it's never really been an argument to begin with. I can't recollect that you've mentioned a single fact this entire time.
[06:41] and slogans
[06:41] those are not arguments
[06:41] remember germany is far behind USA
[06:41] I think you might need a basic course in logic
[06:41] in devlopment and economy
[06:41] and freedom i might add
[06:42] haha what?
[06:42] :)
[06:42] yes
[06:42] given our siye?
[06:42] size
[06:42] wow.
[06:42] standards of living in usa are by far #1
[06:42] remember that
[06:42] and medical is all #1 here
[06:42] according to what statistics?
[06:42] omg
[06:42] your people come here to goto school
[06:42] you really are amazingly delusional
[06:42] USA invents almsot everything
[06:42] gavino: I'd disagree. There are way too much division in the US to say that. Not saying it isn't a good country and probably lovely for a lot of people, though.
[06:42] no you are miseducated
[06:42] dude
[06:42] duuuude
[06:42] lol
[06:42] you are wrong
[06:42] have you even BEEN in Germany?
[06:43] on many points
[06:43] wrong
[06:43] nope
[06:43] gavino: But go into the poorest place in the US and tell me that's a good standard of living.
[06:43] so
[06:43] and am not aplnning soon!!
[06:43] :)
[06:43] not on the road map
[06:43] I've been to the US, uhm... around 20 times, at least
[06:43] anytime soon
[06:43] brazil
[06:43] thailand
[06:43] east europe
[06:43] australai
[06:43] all on roadmap way wya wya before
[06:43] germania
[06:43] :)
[06:43] well, let's talk again after that, then.
[06:43] who cares?
[06:44] who cares if you have been here 600 times?
[06:44] well
[06:44] gavino: So the US really should fix that whole issue with division of income, it's quite horrible. And yes, it's bad here as well, I'm not arguing that.
[06:44] gavino: well, at least I know the country a tiny bit
[06:44] USA is ok with people getting rich
[06:44] because they make people around them richer
[06:44] whereas you obviously know jack shit about Germany
[06:44] and everyone richer
[06:44] liek steve jobs
[06:44] bill gates
[06:44] henry ford
[06:44] .... i'm a capitalist and a libertarian. and you are annoying the hell out of me, gavino... and chrisphonk, as far as income equality goes.. its not the governments business to fix.. you want to earn more.. then do it.. meh...
[06:45] gavino: I'm not again anyone making money and becoming rich, its the divide that's the problem.
[06:45] thoams edison
[06:45] etc etc
[06:45] yeah
[06:45] freedom works
[06:45] it really does
[06:45] socialism.communism.fascism dont
[06:45] break19: Well, I see it as something wrong with the system itself, if one group makes a lot, and another much less, it's an obvious problem. But I see your point, and in ways agree with it.
[06:45] some problems exist mostly due to socialist corrpption
[06:46] tea party has arrived to help fix that
[06:46] and soon obama gone
[06:46] a huge mistake
[06:46] whew
[06:46] but usa is stil msot free
[06:46] gavino: But the socialist corruption you were talking about was the same during the days of Ford and Edison as well, wasn't it?
[06:46] I think germany should expand into different car markets
[06:46] make more trucks and smaller cars
[06:46] take on japan
[06:46] gavino: do me a favor. come up a single, cohesive sentence, instead of having diarrhea of the keyboard. You need to type more than 4 words before you hit enter...
[06:46] make a camry ish car
[06:46] germany has potential
[06:47] I wonder what % of german population wants out of the EU
[06:47] 65%?
[06:47] break19: He is painful. I suggest ignoring them.
[06:47] only socialsit corrpution keeping them in
[06:47] Dianora: you name call
[06:47] break19: Can't we just replace gavino with you? Have some rational arguments instead?
[06:47] chrisphonk: heh
[06:48] break19: Sorry, I just kind of compared him to you. My bad.
[06:48] you gents should realy think about why basic capitalism scares you
[06:48] so gavino
[06:48] maybe you are conforming
[06:48] here's a little hint
[06:48] capitalism doesn't scare me
[06:48] at all
[06:48] maybe you hardly ever come accross ideas outside the socialist media
[06:48] but people like you, they do scare me
[06:48] chrisphonk: thing is, i'm used to it. I get heat from both sides, being a libertarian. both major US political parties despise my kind, but the Repubs seem to tolerate us more. :P
[06:49] I am a libertarian.
[06:49] :)
[06:49] break19: not really, they abuse you :-/
[06:49] polytheism keeps me from being a republican
[06:49] of course
[06:49] gavino: no, you're not - I'd say you're not even political, because you obviously don't even think for yourself
[06:49] otherwise you'd have more than slogans to give
[06:49] uh no you dont pandzilla
[06:49] I think quite more than you
[06:49] on all of these topics
[06:50] break19: Heh, good point. I've actually been wondering about that, the views of libertarians in the US. It's kind of a bad word over here, but I do agree with most of the strong points in the dream of a libertarian society.
[06:50] you are conformist not me
[06:50] lol
[06:50] pot caling kettle black wow
[06:50] just one question
[06:50] how do you know?
[06:50] you have absolutely no idea who I am
[06:50] becuse you have such fear of capitalism
[06:50] break19: I'd do the very common comparison with communism, that people right now most probably wouldn't be able to handle it and society would die. But you've probably heard that a thousand times before.
[06:50] you hate to hear that fascism/communism/socialism all same things
[06:50] its weir to me
[06:50] gavino: What do you mean by conformist?
[06:50] thos eideas to me as as basic as sun is yellow
[06:50] yes
[06:51] I dlslike those all the same, that doesn't make them the same thing
[06:51] ok lets do this
[06:51] you're just being simplicistic where it's wrong
[06:51] lets talk policy
[06:51] no you dont get basics
[06:51] im starting simple so you can fllow
[06:51] seriously
[06:51] ok
[06:51] so here we go
[06:51] what do you gents think about the fair tax
[06:51] fairtax.org
[06:52] why would even I want to talk to you when you start out patronizing like this
[06:52] you did me
[06:52] its evened out
[06:52] fairtax.org
[06:52] gavino: Didn't you imply earlier that taxes are bad?
[06:52] opinnions?
[06:52] well, you honestly brought that onto yourself
[06:52] you did 2
[06:52] chrisphonk: try to not be obtuse
[06:52] gavino: Well, if I've understood it correctly, the only fair tax could only be no tax at all, right?
[06:52] what do you gents think about faritax.org
[06:53] you were assuming I was some braindead zombie commie before I even said anything
[06:53] no
[06:53] Well, taxes ARE bad, but they're a necessary evil.
[06:53] governemtn must prvide courts and defense
[06:53] and so must have soem small taxes yes
[06:53] right
[06:53] HEMI: I'd say that depends on what you use the taxes for, really.
[06:53] of course
[06:53] gavino: So some is good, but still bad? What?
[06:53] I've heard the argument that tax is theft and find it amusing.
[06:53] the us constituion is an amazing document
[06:53] "No, SOME theft is ok!"
[06:54] i have hear dargument property is theft and found it itneresting
[06:54] ok
[06:54] so what about fairtax.org?
[06:54] opinoins?
[06:54] never heard of it?
[06:54] crickets silence
[06:54] jeez
[06:54] "The FairTax plan is a comprehensive proposal that replaces all federal income and payroll based taxes with an integrated approach including a progressive national retail sales tax, a prebate to ensure no American pays federal taxes on spending up to the poverty level, dollar-for-dollar federal revenue neutrality, and, through companion legislation, the repeal of the 16th Amendment."
[06:54] so are you guys right outa college
[06:55] Meh, I need to reboot this box I think.. my connections -to- it keep getting reset.. brb
[06:55] gavino: I'm reading. How would I have the least clue about fairtax.org?
[06:55] do you follow politics and economics at all outside socialist jerkfests liek reddit and cnn?
[06:55] oh for fucsk sake
[06:55] if you gusy havent heard of fairtax and you are america
[06:55] american
[06:55] then what the fuk am i bothering for?
[06:56] gavino: So, what are the bad sides to fairtax?
[06:56] you dont even have basic udnerstanding of any major porposals
[06:56] gavino: I'm still not american.
[06:56] any systemic changes prodsed at all?
[06:56] chrisphonk: what are u?
[06:56] gavino: Still a swede, living in denmark. As I said earlier.
[06:56] People that cannot think for themselves but parrot are annoying aren't they?
[06:57] honestly if you are not american I dont give a shit what you have to say on economics because you are so commmunist/socialist/fascist by edcuation that you are almost beyond hope
[06:57] you hate USA success
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[06:57] and think some insane shit liek glboal wamring is ture
[06:57] gavino: Now you're making it way too easy on yourself.
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[06:57] and insane shit liek humans eat up all natural resoruces and leave earth burnit cinder
[06:57] denmark
[06:57] germany
[06:57] i mean cmon
[06:57] there we go
[06:58] why do I even bother to try
[06:58] omg, are you still going on about this?
[06:58] Err, Denmark is one of the most successful countries in the world? It's not like it's bad here.
[06:58] no it is not
[06:58] suprise