Monday, October 31, 2011
(8:45:38 PM) the_rat_god: have wal mart handjob (8:45:55 PM) the_rat_god: 99cents (8:46:07 PM) the_rat_god: hek 99.9% of crap guys buy is to get handjob from woman (8:46:10 PM) alucard1211: outsource to india its cheaper (8:46:16 PM) teurastaja: but let everyone say their word (8:46:16 PM) the_rat_god: save time (8:46:25 PM) the_rat_god: 1$ handjob (8:46:31 PM) the_rat_god: 50 cent on tuesday
(8:45:38 PM) the_rat_god: have wal mart handjob
(8:45:55 PM) the_rat_god: 99cents
(8:46:07 PM) the_rat_god: hek 99.9% of crap guys buy is to get handjob from woman
(8:46:10 PM) alucard1211: outsource to india its cheaper
(8:46:16 PM) teurastaja: but let everyone say their word
(8:46:16 PM) the_rat_god: save time
(8:46:25 PM) the_rat_god: 1$ handjob
(8:46:31 PM) the_rat_god: 50 cent on tuesday
(8:45:26 PM) the_rat_god: yep (8:45:33 PM) jhell: retarded (8:45:34 PM) the_rat_god: legal ize sex for money (8:45:37 PM) teurastaja: let engineers decide how to build roads, doctors decide operation priorities, etc (8:45:38 PM) the_rat_god: have wal mart handjob
(8:45:26 PM) the_rat_god: yep
(8:45:33 PM) jhell: retarded
(8:45:34 PM) the_rat_god: legal ize sex for money
(8:45:37 PM) teurastaja: let engineers decide how to build roads, doctors decide operation priorities, etc
(8:45:38 PM) the_rat_god: have wal mart handjob
(8:44:22 PM) alucard1211: the usa should jus take over the world allready (8:44:34 PM) the_rat_god: I know!! (8:44:39 PM) the_rat_god: wal amrt n mcdonlads for all!! (8:44:40 PM) alucard1211: all your base belong to us (8:44:46 PM) the_rat_god: wall mart bitches!! (8:44:48 PM) the_rat_god: lol (8:44:56 PM) alucard1211: can i get that super sized (8:45:03 PM) the_rat_god: kill all india pakistan thsoe women ugly (8:45:07 PM) the_rat_god: africa too (8:45:10 PM) the_rat_god: clean em out
(8:44:22 PM) alucard1211: the usa should jus take over the world allready
(8:44:34 PM) the_rat_god: I know!!
(8:44:39 PM) the_rat_god: wal amrt n mcdonlads for all!!
(8:44:40 PM) alucard1211: all your base belong to us
(8:44:46 PM) the_rat_god: wall mart bitches!!
(8:44:48 PM) the_rat_god: lol
(8:44:56 PM) alucard1211: can i get that super sized
(8:45:03 PM) the_rat_god: kill all india pakistan thsoe women ugly
(8:45:07 PM) the_rat_god: africa too
(8:45:10 PM) the_rat_god: clean em out
(8:43:33 PM) the_rat_god: usa should charge canada for defense lol (8:43:43 PM) the_rat_god: and charge china for imports (8:43:46 PM) the_rat_god: that be comedy (8:43:54 PM) the_rat_god: usa starts chargin UN (8:43:56 PM) the_rat_god: no paying UN (8:44:00 PM) the_rat_god: give us back 100B (8:44:08 PM) the_rat_god: starts charging israel taiwan (8:44:12 PM) the_rat_god: 50B a year each (8:44:14 PM) the_rat_god: not giving (8:44:15 PM) the_rat_god: lol
(8:43:33 PM) the_rat_god: usa should charge canada for defense lol
(8:43:43 PM) the_rat_god: and charge china for imports
(8:43:46 PM) the_rat_god: that be comedy
(8:43:54 PM) the_rat_god: usa starts chargin UN
(8:43:56 PM) the_rat_god: no paying UN
(8:44:00 PM) the_rat_god: give us back 100B
(8:44:08 PM) the_rat_god: starts charging israel taiwan
(8:44:12 PM) the_rat_god: 50B a year each
(8:44:14 PM) the_rat_god: not giving
(8:44:15 PM) the_rat_god: lol
(8:26:39 PM) teurastaja: our current government is the conservative party (8:26:46 PM) topgun21: xjr sbin/fix-xorg give command not found error (8:26:48 PM) the_rat_god: capitalism and freedom make avg perosn rich (8:26:53 PM) the_rat_god: much richer than planned economy (8:26:55 PM) the_rat_god: by far (8:26:59 PM) the_rat_god: not even close (8:27:11 PM) the_rat_god: there is no such thing as conservative (8:27:20 PM) the_rat_god: there is capitalism and fascism/socialism/communism (8:27:22 PM) teurastaja: what do you think of northern europe? (8:27:32 PM) the_rat_god: failing (8:27:34 PM) the_rat_god: slowly (8:27:38 PM) the_rat_god: now faster with greece (8:28:03 PM) alucard1211: lets all be communists hehe:-p (8:28:27 PM) teurastaja: conservative party, liberal party, neo-democratic party, etc, etc... (8:28:49 PM) topgun21 left the room (quit: Quit: leaving). (8:28:50 PM) teurastaja: we have place for newer parties (8:29:04 PM) the_rat_god: capitalism would be good for most of europe to adopt (8:29:12 PM) the_rat_god: but they cant make intellecual jump (8:29:13 PM) alucard1211: why (8:29:16 PM) the_rat_god: cant admit they were wrong (8:29:19 PM) the_rat_god: I dont know why (8:29:32 PM) alucard1211: why dont ya know (8:29:54 PM) teurastaja: because you are stuck with that idea (8:29:59 PM) xjd: when is it likely that 9.0 will be relased? (8:30:17 PM) bankai_: xjd: when it's ready (8:30:47 PM) xjd: any reason to wait for it, or should I just install 8.2 and upgrade whenever it comes? (8:31:02 PM) bankai_: depends if you're in a rush or not (8:31:21 PM) the_rat_god: europe could be richer (8:31:27 PM) the_rat_god: but they cant admit they were wrong (8:31:29 PM) the_rat_god: :) (8:31:44 PM) teurastaja: dont tell me your country isnt going bad when our dollar is steadier and yours is droping (8:31:54 PM) alucard1211: xjd: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Releng/9.0TODO (8:32:16 PM) gg7 left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 258 seconds). (8:32:17 PM) teurastaja: who cant pay its deficits? (8:32:42 PM) bankai_: 2011-11-13 is the forecast for 9.0 (8:33:03 PM) bankai_: there is an off-topic freebsd channel, you know!!!! (8:33:15 PM) the_rat_god: democrats (8:33:16 PM) the_rat_god: lol (8:33:23 PM) the_rat_god: obama is being too european (8:33:24 PM) the_rat_god: lol (8:33:27 PM) teurastaja: if we keep your philosophy all money goes to china so we should immitate them (8:33:29 PM) the_rat_god: need to cut government spending (8:33:32 PM) the_rat_god: I am republican (8:33:33 PM) xjd: okey.. and it should be painess to upgrade 8.2 to 9.0, right? (8:33:55 PM) bankai_: painless? it's not too difficult (8:34:12 PM) xjd: I have an OpenBSD partition with a single OpenBSD diskslice.. can I read it without problems with FreeBSD? (8:34:13 PM) bankai_: might just take a while if you're compiling from src (8:34:59 PM) teurastaja: spending for what? army? companies? (8:35:11 PM) the_rat_god: less pain if move data (8:35:13 PM) the_rat_god: nuke box (8:35:15 PM) the_rat_god: install 9 (8:35:16 PM) teurastaja: companies should self-sustain (8:35:18 PM) the_rat_god: move data back (8:35:23 PM) the_rat_god: simplicity itself (8:35:24 PM) the_rat_god: :) (8:35:35 PM) bankai_: xjd: OpenBSD and FreeBSD use different versions of UFS, so perhaps - i haven't tried for a long time (8:35:37 PM) alucard1211: a upgrade button would be simple 2 (8:35:37 PM) the_rat_god: governmetn should stop making too many dumb rules (8:35:38 PM) alucard1211: :-p (8:35:39 PM) the_rat_god: :) (8:36:28 PM) alucard1211: but we wouldnt want simple here would we (8:36:30 PM) alucard1211: :-p (8:36:59 PM) teurastaja: governments should clean up old laws and make an constraint-based model based on exactness, not on "proven past" (8:37:06 PM) the_rat_god: http://www.bestmotivationalposters.com/funnypostergallery/bravery.html (8:37:11 PM) the_rat_god: remove most rules (8:37:15 PM) the_rat_god: let market take care of itself (8:37:17 PM) the_rat_god: lassie faire (8:37:25 PM) the_rat_god: voltaire was ahead of his time (8:37:25 PM) teurastaja: not at all (8:37:34 PM) alucard1211: do away with laws all together (8:37:39 PM) the_rat_god: www.capitalism.org (8:37:45 PM) the_rat_god: www.mises.org (8:37:47 PM) the_rat_god: no (8:37:53 PM) alucard1211: laws are for wimps (8:37:55 PM) the_rat_god: governmetn must provide courts and defense (8:37:57 PM) the_rat_god: of course (8:38:01 PM) the_rat_god: usa is best governmetn ever (8:38:12 PM) teurastaja: google stupid laws (8:38:22 PM) alucard1211: all laws are stupid :) (8:38:40 PM) teurastaja: usa shows many examples (8:39:13 PM) teurastaja: laws should be made like a software (8:39:49 PM) alucard1211: opensouce and can be changed by anyone (8:40:00 PM) alucard1211: :) (8:40:00 PM) teurastaja: who needs laws for horses nowadays (8:40:15 PM) bubulein left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving). (8:40:31 PM) alucard1211: laws should be opensouce (8:40:39 PM) teurastaja: open source gorvernment is a common pool of ideas (8:40:51 PM) the_rat_god: I think www.fairtax.org (8:40:52 PM) the_rat_god: has it (8:41:00 PM) the_rat_god: geoism is interesting but could lead to governmetn abuse (8:41:05 PM) teurastaja: technocracy lets the knowledgeable decide (8:41:07 PM) the_rat_god: tax consuming (8:41:10 PM) the_rat_god: not producing (8:41:12 PM) the_rat_god: production (8:41:15 PM) the_rat_god: I mean the tek is there (8:41:20 PM) the_rat_god: its all the welfare (8:41:25 PM) the_rat_god: if people had to be productive (8:41:28 PM) the_rat_god: under capitalism (8:41:36 PM) the_rat_god: there would be so much good cheap stuff oh yeah!! (8:41:39 PM) the_rat_god: but all corruption (8:41:41 PM) the_rat_god: communism (8:41:43 PM) the_rat_god: socialism (8:41:44 PM) the_rat_god: fascism (8:41:48 PM) alucard1211: lets all go riot (8:41:53 PM) the_rat_god: remember communism is facism all left wing big governmetn bs
(8:26:39 PM) teurastaja: our current government is the conservative party
(8:26:46 PM) topgun21: xjr sbin/fix-xorg give command not found error
(8:26:48 PM) the_rat_god: capitalism and freedom make avg perosn rich
(8:26:53 PM) the_rat_god: much richer than planned economy
(8:26:55 PM) the_rat_god: by far
(8:26:59 PM) the_rat_god: not even close
(8:27:11 PM) the_rat_god: there is no such thing as conservative
(8:27:20 PM) the_rat_god: there is capitalism and fascism/socialism/communism
(8:27:22 PM) teurastaja: what do you think of northern europe?
(8:27:32 PM) the_rat_god: failing
(8:27:34 PM) the_rat_god: slowly
(8:27:38 PM) the_rat_god: now faster with greece
(8:28:03 PM) alucard1211: lets all be communists hehe:-p
(8:28:27 PM) teurastaja: conservative party, liberal party, neo-democratic party, etc, etc...
(8:28:49 PM) topgun21 left the room (quit: Quit: leaving).
(8:28:50 PM) teurastaja: we have place for newer parties
(8:29:04 PM) the_rat_god: capitalism would be good for most of europe to adopt
(8:29:12 PM) the_rat_god: but they cant make intellecual jump
(8:29:13 PM) alucard1211: why
(8:29:16 PM) the_rat_god: cant admit they were wrong
(8:29:19 PM) the_rat_god: I dont know why
(8:29:32 PM) alucard1211: why dont ya know
(8:29:54 PM) teurastaja: because you are stuck with that idea
(8:29:59 PM) xjd: when is it likely that 9.0 will be relased?
(8:30:17 PM) bankai_: xjd: when it's ready
(8:30:47 PM) xjd: any reason to wait for it, or should I just install 8.2 and upgrade whenever it comes?
(8:31:02 PM) bankai_: depends if you're in a rush or not
(8:31:21 PM) the_rat_god: europe could be richer
(8:31:27 PM) the_rat_god: but they cant admit they were wrong
(8:31:29 PM) the_rat_god: :)
(8:31:44 PM) teurastaja: dont tell me your country isnt going bad when our dollar is steadier and yours is droping
(8:31:54 PM) alucard1211: xjd: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Releng/9.0TODO
(8:32:16 PM) gg7 left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 258 seconds).
(8:32:17 PM) teurastaja: who cant pay its deficits?
(8:32:42 PM) bankai_: 2011-11-13 is the forecast for 9.0
(8:33:03 PM) bankai_: there is an off-topic freebsd channel, you know!!!!
(8:33:15 PM) the_rat_god: democrats
(8:33:16 PM) the_rat_god: lol
(8:33:23 PM) the_rat_god: obama is being too european
(8:33:24 PM) the_rat_god: lol
(8:33:27 PM) teurastaja: if we keep your philosophy all money goes to china so we should immitate them
(8:33:29 PM) the_rat_god: need to cut government spending
(8:33:32 PM) the_rat_god: I am republican
(8:33:33 PM) xjd: okey.. and it should be painess to upgrade 8.2 to 9.0, right?
(8:33:55 PM) bankai_: painless? it's not too difficult
(8:34:12 PM) xjd: I have an OpenBSD partition with a single OpenBSD diskslice.. can I read it without problems with FreeBSD?
(8:34:13 PM) bankai_: might just take a while if you're compiling from src
(8:34:59 PM) teurastaja: spending for what? army? companies?
(8:35:11 PM) the_rat_god: less pain if move data
(8:35:13 PM) the_rat_god: nuke box
(8:35:15 PM) the_rat_god: install 9
(8:35:16 PM) teurastaja: companies should self-sustain
(8:35:18 PM) the_rat_god: move data back
(8:35:23 PM) the_rat_god: simplicity itself
(8:35:24 PM) the_rat_god: :)
(8:35:35 PM) bankai_: xjd: OpenBSD and FreeBSD use different versions of UFS, so perhaps - i haven't tried for a long time
(8:35:37 PM) alucard1211: a upgrade button would be simple 2
(8:35:37 PM) the_rat_god: governmetn should stop making too many dumb rules
(8:35:38 PM) alucard1211: :-p
(8:35:39 PM) the_rat_god: :)
(8:36:28 PM) alucard1211: but we wouldnt want simple here would we
(8:36:30 PM) alucard1211: :-p
(8:36:59 PM) teurastaja: governments should clean up old laws and make an constraint-based model based on exactness, not on "proven past"
(8:37:06 PM) the_rat_god: http://www.bestmotivationalposters.com/funnypostergallery/bravery.html
(8:37:11 PM) the_rat_god: remove most rules
(8:37:15 PM) the_rat_god: let market take care of itself
(8:37:17 PM) the_rat_god: lassie faire
(8:37:25 PM) the_rat_god: voltaire was ahead of his time
(8:37:25 PM) teurastaja: not at all
(8:37:34 PM) alucard1211: do away with laws all together
(8:37:39 PM) the_rat_god: www.capitalism.org
(8:37:45 PM) the_rat_god: www.mises.org
(8:37:47 PM) the_rat_god: no
(8:37:53 PM) alucard1211: laws are for wimps
(8:37:55 PM) the_rat_god: governmetn must provide courts and defense
(8:37:57 PM) the_rat_god: of course
(8:38:01 PM) the_rat_god: usa is best governmetn ever
(8:38:12 PM) teurastaja: google stupid laws
(8:38:22 PM) alucard1211: all laws are stupid :)
(8:38:40 PM) teurastaja: usa shows many examples
(8:39:13 PM) teurastaja: laws should be made like a software
(8:39:49 PM) alucard1211: opensouce and can be changed by anyone
(8:40:00 PM) alucard1211: :)
(8:40:00 PM) teurastaja: who needs laws for horses nowadays
(8:40:15 PM) bubulein left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving).
(8:40:31 PM) alucard1211: laws should be opensouce
(8:40:39 PM) teurastaja: open source gorvernment is a common pool of ideas
(8:40:51 PM) the_rat_god: I think www.fairtax.org
(8:40:52 PM) the_rat_god: has it
(8:41:00 PM) the_rat_god: geoism is interesting but could lead to governmetn abuse
(8:41:05 PM) teurastaja: technocracy lets the knowledgeable decide
(8:41:07 PM) the_rat_god: tax consuming
(8:41:10 PM) the_rat_god: not producing
(8:41:12 PM) the_rat_god: production
(8:41:15 PM) the_rat_god: I mean the tek is there
(8:41:20 PM) the_rat_god: its all the welfare
(8:41:25 PM) the_rat_god: if people had to be productive
(8:41:28 PM) the_rat_god: under capitalism
(8:41:36 PM) the_rat_god: there would be so much good cheap stuff oh yeah!!
(8:41:39 PM) the_rat_god: but all corruption
(8:41:41 PM) the_rat_god: communism
(8:41:43 PM) the_rat_god: socialism
(8:41:44 PM) the_rat_god: fascism
(8:41:48 PM) alucard1211: lets all go riot
(8:41:53 PM) the_rat_god: remember communism is facism all left wing big governmetn bs
education for young men 16+ that schools miss
http://www.leykisonline.com/recordings/andromeda.php?q=f&f=%2FCritical+101+Shows
Rush: Cain Accusations Amount to 'Gutter Partisan Politics' Monday, 31 Oct 2011 01:20 PM By Amy Woods Share: More . . . A A | Email Us | Print | Forward Article in Share The mainstream media are using “the ugliest racial stereotypes they can to attack a black conservative” in coverage of alleged sexual harassment by Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain, Rush Limbaugh said on his radio show Monday. “This story appears to me to be a close relative of the hit job that The Washington Post is doing on [Republican Florida Sen.] Marco Rubio,” Limbaugh said, referring to a story claiming that the Florida senator might have embellished his family’s Cuban-exile status to gain political points. “This is gutter partisan politics," Limbaugh insisted. Reports that Cain was the subject of complaints about 15 years ago of inappropriate behavior by female employees at the National Restaurant Association is “the politics of minority conservative personal destruction,” he said. Blacks and Hispanics “are owned lock, stock, and barrel by the Democrat Party, and anything good that happens to any black or Hispanic in American politics can only happen via the Democrat Party,” he said. What would the media do if the same allegations were made against President Barack Obama? Limbaugh said. “They would be going after the women,” he said. “They would name names, and they would destroy them. They would call these women racists for trying to destroy a black politician.” For Cain's part, the former businessman acknowledged today that he was accused of sexual harassment more than a decade ago but insisted that the claims were “baseless.” Speaking on Fox News, the Republican presidential candidate said he was unaware that payments had been made to two women who claimed that he had harassed them when he headed the National Restaurant Association. And Cain told Fox’s Jenna Lee that there are no more skeletons in his closet. “If more allegations come, I assure you, people will simply make them up,” he said. “The only other allegations will be trumped-up allegations. There’s nothing else."
Rush: Cain Accusations Amount to 'Gutter Partisan Politics'
Monday, 31 Oct 2011 01:20 PM
By Amy Woods
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The mainstream media are using “the ugliest racial stereotypes they can to attack a black conservative” in coverage of alleged sexual harassment by Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain, Rush Limbaugh said on his radio show Monday.
“This story appears to me to be a close relative of the hit job that The Washington Post is doing on [Republican Florida Sen.] Marco Rubio,” Limbaugh said, referring to a story claiming that the Florida senator might have embellished his family’s Cuban-exile status to gain political points.
“This is gutter partisan politics," Limbaugh insisted.
Reports that Cain was the subject of complaints about 15 years ago of inappropriate behavior by female employees at the National Restaurant Association is “the politics of minority conservative personal destruction,” he said.
Blacks and Hispanics “are owned lock, stock, and barrel by the Democrat Party, and anything good that happens to any black or Hispanic in American politics can only happen via the Democrat Party,” he said.
What would the media do if the same allegations were made against President Barack Obama? Limbaugh said.
“They would be going after the women,” he said. “They would name names, and they would destroy them. They would call these women racists for trying to destroy a black politician.”
For Cain's part, the former businessman acknowledged today that he was accused of sexual harassment more than a decade ago but insisted that the claims were “baseless.”
Speaking on Fox News, the Republican presidential candidate said he was unaware that payments had been made to two women who claimed that he had harassed them when he headed the National Restaurant Association.
And Cain told Fox’s Jenna Lee that there are no more skeletons in his closet. “If more allegations come, I assure you, people will simply make them up,” he said. “The only other allegations will be trumped-up allegations. There’s nothing else."
dems you can give all your spare cash to poor right now!!
right now!!
don't have to vote to steal from those working harder than you!
politico shown to be pos site lying for dems
wow attacks on cain completely baseless and politico splashing shit all over
what sacks of shit
amatuer
briebart calls out n word fascist media reporting
http://bigjournalism.com/abreitbart/2010/04/26/no-more-beer-summits-tea-party-n-word-incident-didnt-happen-and-the-congressional-black-caucus-owes-america-an-apology/
One of the secret weapons the corrupt mainstream media uses in their never-ending quest to Palace Guard for the left is context. For example, when it came to the Tea Party, the MSM was notorious for amplifying a single incident (that was usually a lie) and using it to attempt to smear and define an entire movement. This is what you do when you want to quickly take out a political enemy.
http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/
"The flat tax has proven to be the best growth engine for the economy," he said. "Incomes go up for everybody, and you treat everybody the same. I don't understand why all these romantic egalitarians out there hanging around the left wing of American politics can't accept that fair is treating everybody exactly the same as everybody else. We have a grotesquely unfair and brutal tax system that represses the economy and is destructive to our spirit."
Dick Armey: Tea Party Likes Cain
Sunday, 30 Oct 2011 12:50 PM
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FreedomWorks Chairman Dick Armey says members of the tea party movement admire GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain because of his record of accomplishment.
"We like Herman Cain's authenticity, but one thing you can say clearly: He's not a politician," the former Republican House majority leader said today on ABC's "This Week." "He's got a personal record of accomplishment that none of them can match. He dares to go campaign very directly and in a manner that doesn't seem to be beleaguered by an excess of advice from political professionals. We like Herman Cain a great deal."
Although Cain might be a tea party favorite, his economic plan is "not the best," Armey said.
"The flat tax has proven to be the best growth engine for the economy," he said. "Incomes go up for everybody, and you treat everybody the same. I don't understand why all these romantic egalitarians out there hanging around the left wing of American politics can't accept that fair is treating everybody exactly the same as everybody else. We have a grotesquely unfair and brutal tax system that represses the economy and is destructive to our spirit."
mac is overrated shit that simps use
just a reminder that geniuses like me never used 1 mac product and have used iceWM on 6 free unixes and never missed mac iphone etc.
:)
fuck apple and mac goons :)
Saturday, October 29, 2011
(8:55:43 PM) gavino: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wn76sCpFHQ (8:56:01 PM) gavino: I say lets jsut cut takex to 5% flat tax and nothign else (8:56:06 PM) bl4ckcomb left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 276 seconds). (8:56:08 PM) gavino: and cut all gov programs excpt courts and defense (8:56:14 PM) gavino: and se ehow awesome things can be (8:56:15 PM) gavino: :)
(8:55:43 PM) gavino: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wn76sCpFHQ
(8:56:01 PM) gavino: I say lets jsut cut takex to 5% flat tax and nothign else
(8:56:06 PM) bl4ckcomb left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 276 seconds).
(8:56:08 PM) gavino: and cut all gov programs excpt courts and defense
(8:56:14 PM) gavino: and se ehow awesome things can be
(8:56:15 PM) gavino: :)
Thompson Leads Democrat in Wis. Senate Race
Thompson Leads Democrat in Wis. Senate Race
Friday, 28 Oct 2011 12:16 PM
By Henry J. Reske
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Republican U.S. Senate candidate Tommy Thompson is leading the only major declared Democratic candidate in the race to succeed retiring Democratic Sen. Herb Kohl.
Thompson, a former Wisconsin governor, holds a 49-42 percent lead over Rep. Tammy Baldwin, a new Rasmussen Reports poll shows.
Although Baldwin does better against the other Republicans vying with Thompson for the nomination, “All three Republican Senate hopefuls hold double-digit leads over Baldwin among voters who describe the current economy as poor, with Thompson besting her among these voters by a near two-to-one margin,” the telephone survey of likely voters found.
In contrast to Thompson’s seven-point lead over Baldwin overall, she has a slight edge over former Rep. Mark Neumann, leading 44 percent to 43 percent. Against Jeff Fitzgerald, the speaker of the Wisconsin State Assembly, Baldwin leads 46 to 39 percent.
Federal problems are often deep-rooted and systematic, and they defy the many well-meaning efforts at reform, such as Al Gore’s “reinventing government” initiative in the 1990s. So it’s time to try something different—like exploring privatization.
http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/downside-federal-infrastructure-spending
Centralized government planning is the main cause of so many of the challenges we face, and removing that obstacle is the primary way to ultimately fix education in the long term.
Centralized government planning is the main cause of so many of the challenges we face, and removing that obstacle is the primary way to ultimately fix education in the long term.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2011-10-27/ron-paul-budget-plan/50963452/1?csp=34news
The Downside of Federal Infrastructure Spending
The Downside of Federal Infrastructure Spending
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My Washington Post op-ed on federal infrastructure yesterday elicited a large and vigorous response. The comments on the WaPo site and emails to my inbox were about 80 percent in opposition to my views.
Here are some critiques of my article and my responses:
Critique: My view of devolving infrastructure funding to the states is unrealistic because only the federal government has enough “resources” to do big projects.
Response: The federal government has no magical source of money. All “federal dollars” ultimately come from taxpayers who live in the 50 states. It is true that the federal government can run larger deficits that state governments, but that’s a reason not to give the Feds responsibility for spending activities because they tend to go hog wild.
Critique: Maybe the federal government screws up, but so do state governments and private companies.
Response: Of course. But as the op-ed noted, when the Feds screw-up they botch it for the entire country, often for many decades. The federal government is a monopoly, and monopolies breed inefficiency. By contrast, the states compete with each other and learn from each other to an extent. And when private companies screw up repeatedly, they go belly up.
Critique: Maybe the federal government screws up, but we should just try to make it work better.
Response: The histories of the Corps and Reclamation illustrate patterns of failure for more than a century. And we’ve explored similar patterns with other federal agencies at www.downsizinggovernment.org. Federal problems are often deep-rooted and systematic, and they defy the many well-meaning efforts at reform, such as Al Gore’s “reinventing government” initiative in the 1990s. So it’s time to try something different—like exploring privatization.
Critique: We need the federal government for things like the Interstate Highway System because infrastructure crosses state lines.
Response: Numerous people made this point regarding my op-ed, but I’m afraid they didn’t put their thinking caps on. Private energy pipelines cross state and international borders, and so do the huge systems of the private freight railroads, such as Union Pacific.
Critique: Federal agencies, such as the Corps, often contract-out work to private companies that do the actual construction, so failures like Hurricane Katrina are private failures.
Response: Hurricane Katrina represented a failure of government on many levels, as I’ll address in an upcoming essay on the Corps. The American Society of Civil Engineers concluded that “a large portion of the destruction from Hurricane Katrina was caused by …engineering and engineering-related policy failures.” So that’s the fault of the Corps, not private contractors.
Anyway, the volume of negative, snarky, and knee-jerk responses to my suggesting that the federal government doesn’t work very well is rather depressing. I criticized Rachel Maddow for “thinking big” about federal spending. But the nation is going to have to “think big” about government reforms to avert the looming federal fiscal disaster. Devolution and privatization offer part of the solution both to reduce debt and to revive U.S. economic growth in coming years.
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The Great Depression, like most other periods of severe unemployment, was produced by government mismanagement rather than by any inherent instability of the private economy.
- Milton Friedman
Liberal thinking just doesn’t make sense…
Liberals will actually take the time to block Fox News from their cable or satellite channels. Why? Is an opposing view so offensive that it must be shunned even at the cost of more choice? Why wouldn’t a liberal want to know what the other point of view is? How can you learn and grow if you refuse to allow your points of view to be challenged?
Liberals will tell you Wallstreet is ruining America. Then quote Wallstreet elite when they are trying to convince you the stimulous is working. A liberal regime will hire Wallstreet elite to control the treasury. Wallstreet and government are so intertwined it is difficult to untangle the mess they have made. If “Change you can believe in…” meant more Wallstreet control of government – Obama kept that promise. If Wallstreet is ruining America, why would a liberal government integrate them further into positions of vast power?
Do liberals really want an improved standard of living for all Americans? The answer here can only be: “No”. Any rational look at the wealth of nations and standards of living will clearly demonstrate less government builds wealth for all. Liberals should be clear – they want equality over actual quality. Yes, we can all live a somewhat economically equal existance, but it will be a low standard. The upper middle class in the Soviet Union was allowed a 2 bedroom apartment and public transportation. The lower middle class in America has 3 bedrooms and 2 cars! Yes, the super rich would live a lifestyle far in excess of the lowest rungs. However, even the lowest rungs will have food, shelter, and most importantly: the opportunity to succeed.
Liberals seem to spit in the face of logic when it comes to results. Obama set expectations for what the stimulous would do and not do. Unemployment was not supposed to go over 8% if we approved the stimulous. Unemployment has exceeded 8% even using the ridiculously understated US Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers. Most economists examing the data are arriving at figures 50% higher. So what is the logical solution? It’s obvious to rational people that the stimulous did not deliver as promised, try the opposite – give the money back to the people. For liberals, the answer is “more of the same”.
Liberals claim to value science. This might be news to liberals, but science and science fiction are two different things. Science is a rigorous system of observation, testing, data analysis, and finally a conclusion. How would that system apply to government? Easy – reduce federal power. Allow the states to test theories of government within their borders. Winners and losers will quickly stand out. Testing aggressive government programs by forcing the entire nation to adopt them is insanity, not science. Dispite the massive consolidation of power, we do have some examples among the states that stand out. Oregon has the highest unemployment in the nation – so should we copy what they are doing? Liberals say “Yes!” Oregon has the highest minimum wage, the federal government is going to force that wage on all of the states. If liberals have decided to use science to destroy America, they are on the right track. Recklessly experimenting on the entire population is a recipe for disaster. Choosing the worst examples and emulating their programs nationwide seems to indicate a desire to create negative results.
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This is what happens when we print money out of thin air and couple it with government intervention in education.
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Though everyone knows Social Security has major solvency issues, simply trying to save the program for those who rely on it, or finding better solutions for younger Americans, is portrayed as somehow attacking Social Security.
Though everyone knows Medicare is rife with major difficulties, trying to protect it for those promised particular services by offering a different approach is portrayed as attacking Medicare.
The demagoguery makes solving our problems even harder.
My "Restore America" budget plan would eliminate five federal departments, including the Department of Education. But the aspect of that department that deals with student loans isn't eliminated — it's simply handled elsewhere in the budget. Yet the many headlines that came out after my interview Sunday on Meet the Press exclaimed that I wanted to "end" or "phase out" all student loans. In the long term — just like Social Security for people under the age of 25 — this is technically true. But to portray my budget plan as immediately getting rid of student loans is simply dishonest.
Transitioning to a better system
When host David Gregory asked me whether or not we should abolish federal aid for education, I replied: "Eventually, but my program doesn't do it; there's a transition in this." To read many of the headlines this week concerning my budget plan and student loans, you would think there was no transition.
The accumulated total student loan debt in this country is over $1 trillion.
Think about that for a moment.
Our entire national deficit for this year is $1.5 trillion, and the cost of college education alone is two-thirds of our country's entire budget shortfall.
This is staggering.
When you also consider the state of the economy — that there are few jobs for graduates, that the actual quality of education our young people pay through the nose for has eroded, and that countless Americans are now slaves to massive debt simply for trying to get a college education — the notion that the status quo must hold is unconscionable.
Like housing and medicine, education costs went through the roof when government became involved. In the last three decades, the overall inflation rate has increased more than 100%, which means we basically pay double now for everything we buy. This price inflation is an inevitable consequence of printing money out of thin air and devaluing our dollar. But compare this inflation to the rise in the cost of college tuition, which has increased almost 500% in the same amount of time.
This is what happens when we print money out of thin air and couple it with government intervention in education.
When I went to school, we didn't have a federal student loan program, and I was able to work my way through college and medical school because it wasn't so expensive. What has changed? In the name of "helping" students through federal loans, the government has really hurt them in the long run by drastically driving up the overall cost of education and forcing poor and middle class Americans, who are just trying to better their lives, to take on unreasonable debt.
And look what that has given us. Our young people are jobless and saddled with student debt greater than all of the credit card debt of every American combined!
What I plan to do
My budget plan cuts $1 trillion of excessive spending in year one. This is a first major step in getting big government off our backs and allowing the free market to work.
In my budget, Social Security, Medicare, — and yes, student loans — are not cut in any way for those currently receiving such services or for those who will be in the near future. Our economy is not healthy enough, nor are most Americans in a financial position at the moment, for any of these programs to be significantly altered now. But perhaps after balancing our budget during my presidency, reining in the government and easing the regulatory burden placed on the taxpayers — which will result in a more robust economy and new jobs — the price of education and other services will decline because of more free market competition and less government interference. Then, and only then, will we be able to address whether some of these programs are the best way to care for people.
I want to help our students, but I believe we will assist them the most by eventually transitioning student aid away from the inefficient and ineffective federal government and back to local governments and private market-based solutions — which simply work better.
Getting the federal government out of the way will give us better educational opportunities at a better price. The notion that I am somehow "anti-education" is absurd.
Centralized government planning is the main cause of so many of the challenges we face, and removing that obstacle is the primary way to ultimately fix education in the long term. The sooner we resolve these problems the better, of course, but it is never too soon and certainly never at the expense of Americans' best short-term interests to take serious action now.
As we close in on a $15 trillion national debt, we must start such a government-to-free-market transition right away, and this is certainly something that can be accomplished without harming the average American in the process.
But constantly frightening Americans anytime someone dares to offer serious solutions is the easiest way to make sure there is never any transition, never any real reform, and never any recovery.
Rep. Ron Paul of Texas is seeking the Republican presidential nomination.
The Great Depression, like most other periods of severe unemployment, was produced by government mismanagement rather than by any inherent instability of the private economy. - Milton Friedman
The Great Depression, like most other periods of severe unemployment, was produced by government mismanagement rather than by any inherent instability of the private economy.
- Milton Friedman
In summary, socialism is a violent, totalitarian, wasteful, incoherent, system of enslavement.
A Response To The “Anarchist” Economics Of The Occupy X Movement
October 28, 2011
By michaelsuede
I was recently forwarded an article written by Deric Shannon that argues in favor of some flavor of socialist anarchy. I was asked to provide a rebuttal argument to this article.
Initially, I was going to craft a response by refuting the content line by line, but after re-reading the article and thinking about it, it became clear to me that such a response would be pointless since the article never actually articulates any kind of systemic plan of organization. Nor does it make any real logical assertions.
The article is basically a gigantic Appeal to Emotion Fallacy, which doesn’t lend itself to a line by line refutation technique. Therefore, the best kind of response I can give is to ask questions that force him to confront logic an reason.
Let me begin by pointing out some Appeal to Emotion fallacies that arise in the article so you can see what I’m talking about. Deric writes:
What might we say about “human nature” in a society founded on cooperation instead of survival-of-the-fittest; mutual aid instead of an ethic of competition; the organic needs and desires of people instead of the production of so much useless shit that we are conditioned to want by a multi-billion dollar advertising industry? We would likely have an entirely different view of “human nature” and the ways we organize to meet our desires wouldn’t resemble the sick society we have inherited and currently (allow ourselves to) live in.
Of course, everyone wants to live in a society that is predicated on mutual cooperation and mutual aid, but Deric never bothers to explain how anarcho-socialism can accomplish this. Deric also claims that society produces too much “useless shit”, which makes no sense given that people are willing to voluntarily pay for “useless shit”, which by definition means that the shit must not be useless to them.
Consider that it is Deric’s opinion that people should not produce and consume what he considers to be “useless shit”, and that if Deric had his way, he would impose his will upon others to ensure that no one consumed things which Deric considered to be useless.
The entire article reads like this, without any real rational thought put into the mechanics of how anarcho-socialism can bring about a “greed-free” world with abundant food, clothing, shelter, medical care, etc.. etc.. Deric simply states that anarcho-socialism can bring about this Utopian world without offering any concrete step-by-step logic explaining how this comes about.
So let us offer Deric some food for thought by asking some thought provoking questions:
Under anarcho-socialism, where workers supposedly control the means of production, who is to decide how resources are to be distributed and what products should be produced? Who is to decide what worker works at what factory?
Do the workers at a shoe factory all vote on what kind of shoes they should produce? What if they produce crappy shoes that no one likes? How do they know if they have produced too many small shoes and not enough large shoes? (a common problem in Soviet Russia).
Further, who is to organize the workers that build factories like the shoe factory in the first place? What is to stop them from producing too many shirt factories at the expense of too few shoe factories? (shortages and over-supply of consumer items are common in socialist nations).
From Scott Shane’s Dismantling Utopia:
My informal survey suggested that some of the longest lines in Moscow were for shoes. At first I assumed that the inefficient Soviet economy did not produce enough shoes, and for that reason, even in the capital, people were forced to line up for hours to buy them. . . . Then I looked up the statistics.
I was wrong. The Soviet Union was the largest producer of shoes in the world. It was turning out 800 million pairs of shoes a year–twice as many as Italy, three times as many as the United States, four times as many as China. Production amounted to more than three pairs of shoes per year for every Soviet man, woman, and child.
The problem with shoes, it turned out, was not an absolute shortage. It was a far more subtle malfunction. The comfort, the fit, the design, and the size mix of Soviet shoes were so out of sync with what people needed and wanted that they were willing to stand in line for hours to buy the occasional pair, usually imported, that they liked.
Talk about producing useless shit! If Deric’s goal is to minimize the production of useless shit, it seems odd that he would argue in favor of a system that has no price feed back mechanism to halt the production of truly useless shit.
Continuing on with the “price feedback” theme, let’s move on to Ludwig von Mises epic work of logic called the Economic Calculation Problem. Mises demonstrated that because socialism lacks a price feed back mechanism, there is no way for resources to be rationally distributed throughout the economy. There is no way for factory producers to know that they have produced too many shoes and not enough shirts. There is no way to know that the steel used in producing a toaster might have been better put to use producing a microwave oven. Socialist “voting” by workers on what to produce is an incredibly inefficient way to allocate resources that leads to massive waste.
Deric goes on to say:
Can we really say that the state and capitalism—the institutions that largely organize our economic life—“work”? Before this “crisis” even started, 80% of the world’s population lived on less than ten dollars a day (this is evidence that for most of the world, capitalism is always a crisis).1 Is that a system that “works”? We produce enough food to feed everyone in the world. Yet, one in seven people around the world go hungry.2 Is that a system that “works”?
Deric calls capitalism an institution, but is it really? The Austrian school simply defines capitalism as the voluntary trade of goods and resources in a money based, privately owned, economy. There is no single entity that defines and controls “capitalism” if one goes by that definition. I know socialists like to claim that the term capitalism encompasses central banking, fiat money, crony private-public partnerships, bailouts, grants of monopoly privilege, etc.. etc.. but really, true capitalism has nothing to do with any of those things. Indeed, central banking is written into the Communist Manifesto penned by Marx!
Deric is right to point out the failings of such a system. Planned economies, either by workers or by bureaucrats, always result in failure. Only consumers voting with their money can rationally dictate how resources should best be utilized in the most efficient manner in order to bring about wealth for society.
What is “wealth” by the way? Consider Zimbabwe with its rampant hyper-inflation. People can have lots and lots of money, but it doesn’t mean anything if there are no goods and services for the money to represent.
A wealthy society is one that has an abundance of goods and services available for consumers that consumers actually want. As Soviet Russia shows us, a society can have an abundance of shoes, but if everyone hates the shoes, the population will still be “shoe deficient”. And since their are no prices, manufactures can not know if they are producing things that people actually want or not.
But let’s get back to Deric’s “mutual cooperation and mutual aid” statement, where he opines about the glorious cooperation that results from a socialist model. To me, mutual cooperation implies non-violent voluntary exchanges. But is this the case under socialism? For example, say a shoe factory worker named John gets fed up with the way things are being produced at his shoe factory. So he and a few of his boys decide they are going to open up their own shoe factory and compete (compete for what? I’m not sure. But lets pretend anyways).
Could John do this under a socialist model? Clearly not. Think about how John would go about producing a new shoe factory. He would have to get building materials, production equipment, workers, etc.. etc.. but since he doesn’t control any of those things and because there is no money, John would have to persuade the producers of all of those things that they should give him their resources for free so that he can build his factory. There might be a million people who all want those same resources to start their own various factories! How are the producers of industrial goods to know who should get control of the resources they produce?
As you can see, socialism is the antithesis of efficient production. It is the exact opposite of everything Deric wants to bring about within society. Deric claims that capitalism brings about a “survival of the fittest” society where everyone must compete with each other. But it is only through competition that the most efficient means of production can come into existence! People must have an incentive to be efficient. Socialism provides no efficiency incentives at all. Resources under socialism may be allocated based on favoritism, nepotism, cronyism, “need”, etc.. but they are most certainly NOT allocated based on who can manage resources most efficiently.
Under a capitalist model, it is clear who can best manage resources because the market provides those producers with a profit, with which they can use to expand their production facilities. Those producers who make the most profits have the greatest ability to expand their production. While at the same time, those producers who fail to meet the public’s needs in the most efficient manner will have their resource control taken away from them through bankruptcy. The need for man to compete for resources is not something that is limited to capitalism – it is fundamental to reality. In order for resources to be put to use in the most efficient manner, competition among producers for resources is essential.
Let’s get back to that peaceful cooperation bit. Capitalism can be derived from the non-aggression principle. That is to say, it is immoral to initiate violence against another person if that person has not harmed or damaged another person’s property or person. So what is property? Property can be derived from the principle of self-ownership. If I own myself (ie. I am not a slave), it stands to reason that I own what I produce with my own two hands. If I walk through the forest and pick up a stick, and then turn that stick into a spear, clearly I am the “owner” of that spear because I have mixed my labor with an unclaimed resource. It would be immoral for someone to steal my spear or take it from me by force. In order for a person to morally acquire the spear from me, they must persuade me to give it to them voluntarily. Typically this persuasion takes the form of trade; whereby, they offer me something I value in return for my spear (ie. capitalism).
Socialism violates both principles. If I can not have a claim of ownership over the things I produce with my own two hands, then I am a slave. And it follows that if someone believes they have a higher claim to the fruits of my labor than I myself do, they will view the initiation of force against me to take the fruits of my labor as being moral.
Socialism can be summed up by the words “slavery and theft”. Consider what society would look like if everyone was free to take each others stuff without their consent, and anyone who objected to this was met with violent reprisal. ”That laptop is not yours – oh no no no – that laptop belongs to society. That laptop should belong to the person who most ‘needs’ it!” So who decides who has the greatest need? a dictator? a gang of workers? Ayn Rand gave a great depiction of such a collective when she detailed the distribution of resources within the Twentieth Century Motor Company in Atlas Shrugged.
Clearly socialism as an economic model is unsustainable, leads to massive waste and ultimately relies on the use of force or coercion to allocate resources. But further consider that under an anarcho-capitalist model, nothing would prevent groups of people from banding together in order to create a voluntary socialist commune. The opposite is not true. A person could not open a privately owned factory with a group of friends or investors under any kind of socialist system.
From this fact, we can draw some conclusions. If socialist-anarchists were truly in favor of a non-violent cooperative system, they would all be arguing in favor of anarcho-capitalism, since under such a model, they would be able to create all the communist communes they like, and then trade the things they produce with each other till their hearts are content. Their hate of anarcho-capitalism demonstrates that they have no desire to engage in peaceful cooperation or the peaceful allocation of resources.
Under anarcho-capitalism, the socialists wouldn’t even need to have any money to purchase land! Homesteading is the basis for original property rights under anarcho-capitalism, which means if a large group of socialists decided to erect a commune on unused land, they would be perfectly within their rights to do so. The key is that no one could be forced to work or live there against their consent. An anarcho-capitalist would say “have fun building your commune!”, while a socialist would say “I want your stuff, and if you try to build stuff without giving me any for free, I’m going to use violence against you to take it from you by force.”
Anarcho-capitalism doesn’t force anyone to use money or comply with any modern banking practices. Socialists would never have to touch a dime if they wanted to build communes and trade with each other in an anarcho-capitalist society. But clearly this just isn’t good enough for the anarcho-socialists. Since they claim “society” should own all resources, it stands to reason that anyone who refuses to give them resources they feel they are entitled to may be subject to violent reprisal.
In summary, socialism is a violent, totalitarian, wasteful, incoherent, system of enslavement.
Chew on that Deric.
Governments Don't Create Prosperity By John Stossel
Governments Don't Create Prosperity
By John Stossel
Politicians say they create jobs, but they really don't. Or rather, they rarely create productive jobs. Government has no money of its own. All it does is take resources from one group and give them to another. The pharaohs might have claimed they created work when they ordered that pyramids be built, but think how much richer (and freer) the Egyptians would have been if they'd been allowed to pursue their own interests.
It's individuals in the marketplace who create real jobs -- when they have the protection of life and property under the rule of law.
Economic freedom is the key. The theory couldn't be more clear, and at this late date in human history, it shouldn't be necessary to rehearse the abundant evidence. Look at the various indexes that correlate economic freedom with economic growth. The healthiest economies are those with the most economic freedom. Unemployment is low in those places -- 3 percent in Hong Kong, 2 percent in Singapore, 5 percent in Australia
Alas, the United States places ninth, behind Canada, and those countries with the least economic freedom have few real jobs and no prosperity.
Unfortunately, most politicians still don't understand -- or have no incentive to understand -- that economic freedom, and therefore less government, creates prosperity. Well, maybe that's changing. This year is first I've heard so many presidential candidates talk about the private sector. Indeed, one candidate, former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, told me he created "not one single job. ... Government does not create jobs."
The truth is we have too few jobs today because government stands in the way. If I'm an employer, why would I want to hire someone when Congress and the Labor Department have so many rules that I might not be able to fire that person if he can't do the job? Why would I take a risk on an investment when still-to-be-written rules about Obamacare, financial regulation and the environment could turn my good idea into a losing venture?
I refereed a debate on whether government creates or impedes economic activity.
"Government can spend and create jobs," said David Callahan, cofounder of Demos. "If government steps up and provides stimulus money to hire people, what we get is more people spending money in this economy, more hiring, and we get that virtuous cycle going."
Yaron Brook, president of the Ayn Rand Institute, replied:
"It is ridiculous to assume you can tax the people that are working and give the money (to people) who are not working and somehow this creates economy activity. You are destroying as much by taking from those who are working and creating."
Callahan then invoked the magic I-word.
"One place we need more government spending is for infrastructure. Drive down any road, go across any bridge, you are likely to see dilapidation. There was a bipartisan panel that said we need to spend $2 trillion or more on infrastructure."
"Don't pretend that stimulates the economy," Brook rebutted. "That money has to come from somewhere, that $2 trillion that you would want to spend on infrastructure is taken from the private economy."
"This is a fallacy," Callahan replied. "Twenty million jobs were created in the 1990s when we had higher tax rates than we do today. After World War II -- also a period of high tax rates, also incredible job growth.
And, by Keynesian logic, war can stimulate the economy.
"World War II was the great stimulus. ... That kind of external crisis can inject a lot of new capital."
"This is one of the worst fallacies of economics," Brook said. "This is called the broken-window fallacy."
The fallacy comes from Frederic Bastiat's story of the boy who breaks a shop window, prompting some to believe that replacing the window will stimulate a ripple of economic activity. The fallacy lies in overlooking the productive things the shopkeeper would have done with the money had the window not needed replacing.
"World War II did nothing to promote economy growth," Brook said. "Blowing things up is not an economic stimulus. Destruction does not lead to progress."
Don't expect most politicians to learn this any time soon.
President Obama says government will have to build the nation out of the economic trough.
October 12, 2011
Government the Job Killer
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President Obama says government will have to build the nation out of the economic trough.
"We're the country that built the intercontinental railroad," Obama says. "So how can we now sit back and let China build the best railroads?"
Ironic that he mentions the Chinese. Progressives used to complain that to build the railroad, bosses abused Chinese workers -- called them "coolies" and treated them badly. Now this is big success?
I guess Obama doesn't know that the transcontinental railroad was a Solyndra-like Big Government scandal. The railroad didn't make economic sense at the time, so the government subsidized construction and gave the companies huge quantities of the best land on the continent. As we should expect, without market discipline -- profit and loss -- contractors ripped off the taxpayers. After all, if you get paid by the amount of track you lay, you'll lay more track than necessary.
Credit Mobilier, the first rail construction company, made enormous profits by overcharging for its work. To keep the subsidies flowing, it made big contributions to congressmen.
Where have we heard that recently?
The transcontinental railroad lost tons of money. The government never covered its costs, and most rail lines that used the tracks went bankrupt or continued to be subsidized by taxpayers. The Union Pacific and Northern Pacific -- all those rail lines we learned about in history class -- milked the taxpayer and then went broke.
One line worked. The Great Northern never went bankrupt. It was the railroad that got no subsidies.
We need infrastructure, but the beauty of leaving most of these things to the private sector -- without subsidies, bailouts and other privileges -- is that they would have to be justified by the profit-and-loss test. In a truly free market, when private companies make bad choices, investors lose their own money. This tends to make them careful.
By contrast, when government loses money, it just spends more and raises your taxes, or borrows more, or inflates. Building giant government projects is no way to create jobs. When government spends on infrastructure, it takes money away from projects that consumers might think are more important.
When government isn't killing jobs by sucking money out of the private sector, it kills jobs by smothering the private sector with regulation. I talked to Peter Schiff about all this. Schiff is a good authority because he was one of the few people to warn of the housing bust. Now he's had a run-in with the federal government over job creation.
Schiff, who operates a brokerage firm with 150 employees, recently complained to Congress that "regulations are running up the cost of doing business, and a lot of companies never even get started because they can't overcome that regulatory hurdle."
Schiff claims he would have hired a thousand more people but for regulations.
"I had a huge plan to expand. I wanted to open up a lot of offices. I had some capital to do it. I had investors lined up. My business was doing really well. But unfortunately, because of the regulations in the security industry, I was not able to hire."
So if he wants to hire an analyst, he can't just hire him?
"I had to get permission to publish their research, which I didn't get for years. And so I can't pay analysts if I can't sell their research.
People don't appreciate the number of regulations entrepreneurs face. Schiff pays 10 people just to try to figure out if his company is obeying the rules.
"You can't just act very quickly, because everything has to be done through this maze of compliance. Even my brokers ... find out that maybe 20 percent, 30 percent of their day is involved in compliance-related activity, activity that is inhibiting their productivity. ... All around the country, people are complying with regulations instead of producing, instead of investing and growing the economy. They're trying to survive the regulations."
This is no way to create jobs or wealth. Keynesian pundits and politicians can't understand why businesses sit on cash rather than invest and hire unemployed workers. It's really no mystery. Government is in the way.
832 quarter million dollar houses were not built.
Things That Will Never Be
October 26, 2011
By michaelsuede
because the State robbed you through taxation and inflation.
The cost of a single F-35 stealth fighter jet:
In February 2011, the Pentagon put a price of $207.6 million for each of the 32 aircraft to be acquired in FY2012
The United States intends to buy a total of 2,443 aircraft for an estimated US$323 billion, making it the most expensive defense program ever.[12] The United States Air Force (USAF) budget data in 2010, along with other sources, projects the F-35 to have a flyaway cost from US$89 million to US$200 million over the planned production of F-35s.[13][14][15]Cost estimates have risen to $382 billion for 2,443 aircraft, at an average of $156 million each. The rising program cost estimates have cast doubt on the actual number to be produced for the U.S. In January 2011, the F-35B variant was placed on “probation” for two years because of development problems. In February 2011, the Pentagon put a price of $207.6 million for each of the 32 aircraft to be acquired in FY2012, rising to $304.15 million ($9,732.8/32) if its share of RDT&E spending is included.[16][17]
207.6 million dollars represents the cost of material resources that were squandered on a single plane.
Because the State decided it needed a 208 million dollar fighter plane more than you needed to keep the fruits of your own labor:
832 quarter million dollar houses were not built.
5,777 college educations were not obtained.
6,500 fully loaded Honda Accords were not built.
60,836 GE Profile top-of-the-line refrigerators were not built.
83,200 Sony Bravia 46″ LCD TVs were not built.
208,000 Dell XPS 8300 computers were not built.
34,000,000 six dollar meals were not produced.
Now take all of those numbers and multiply them by 2,443 to see what the State intends on depriving you of, just from this SINGLE defense program.
Resources are limited things. When the State takes resources from the private sector economy to build fighter planes, it means those resources are not available to the private sector in order to produce the goods and services that keep us alive on a daily basis.
Every time a defense contractor hires an engineer to produce a weapons system, it means that engineer is not available to an air conditioning corporation to develop better air conditioning units.
Every time a defense contractor buys steel to produce a jet engine, it means that steel is not available to an auto maker to produce better and cheaper cars.
The State is the destroyer of life. The State is the destroyer of resources. The State is bane of human existence. The State produces nothing and provides us nothing that we ourselves could not produce freely on our own.
How is it possible that a rag-tag band of rebels in the mountains of Afghanistan, armed only with makeshift AK-47s and homemade bombs, are able to cause the greatest military in the world to expend more resources on combating them than the US spent fighting an army of communist Viet Cong?
Could it be that a huge military is not necessary to combat an invading army if the people are willing to engage in guerrilla warfare against an occupying force? How is it possible that Afghani goat herders and sandal footed Vietnamese peasants were able to thwart the greatest military presence on the face of the Earth?
Why did the US Constitution establish militias as the basis of our defense forces? Why did the founders of this tyrannical nation State say that a standing army was a dangerous threat to liberty?
Perhaps they saw the effectiveness of an armed population and the waste that accompanies military spending. Perhaps they saw that no army in the world can subjugate a population that refuses to engage in direct military warfare and instead engages in guerrilla based harassment. Perhaps they wanted more housing, clothing and food instead of an unnecessary military defense force.
When the State spends money, it is just as bad as if the State took that money right out of your pocket book. We must remember that printing money does not cause more material resources to spring into existence. We must remember that taking money from people by threats or force can not produce more abundance than leaving that money in the hands of those who actually produce.
The free market, which is nothing more that people voluntarily trading the fruits of their own labor with each other, will always meet the needs of consumers. If free people want an education, the market will provide one. If free people want a house, the market will provide one. The State can not cause more education, healthcare or houses to spring into existence by holding a gun to rich people’s heads without simultaneously causing equally important goods to never be produced. However, the State CAN take your money and hand it to rich people through bailouts, crony business deals, contracts, subsidies, and no-risk loans; thereby ensuring the rich get richer while the poor get poorer.
The State is not your friend.
The State is coercion.
The State is evil incarnate.
Stop supporting it.
* Digg
Government Makes Us Poor By John Stossel Here's my fantasy: Libertarians are elected to the presidency and to majorities in Congress. What would happen next? Well, if libertarians were "in charge," you'd have more freedom and prosperity. Freedom frightens some people. They say if no one is in charge there would be chaos. That is intuitive, but think about a skating rink. Before rinks were invented, if you proposed an amusement in which people strap blades to their feet and skate around on ice at whatever speeds they wish, you'd have been called crazy. There's got to be speed limits, stoplights, turn signals. But we know that people navigate rinks safely on their own. They create their own order, with only minimal rules. Society would work the same way -- and does to a large extent even today. "Great part of that order which reigns among mankind is not the effect of government," Thomas Paine, the soul of the American Revolution, wrote. "It has its origin in the principles of society and the natural constitution of man. ... Common interest (has) a greater influence than the laws of government." If libertarians were "in charge," there would be laws to protect us from foreign enemies and those who would steal from us or injure us. Today, by contrast, under the rule of Democans and Republicrats, we're drowning in rules -- 160,000 pages' worth. Micromanagement kills opportunity and freedom. Maybe if there were a way to have more competition among governments, things would be better. Competition forces people to become more efficient and to get rid of stupid rules. What if we let people take over some unused land in America to create areas with fewer rules, simpler legal systems, smaller government? I explored that subject last week with Michael Strong and Magatte Wade, founders of the Free Cities Project. Strong said, "We want to encourage thousands of people to create new governments that have different rules, each competing for customers with the best education and best health care, the most peace and prosperity you could imagine." Of course, state governments would have to approve this. "There are already Native American reservations in the U.S. ... They can become more free. Honduras already has something like this. In Senegal, we're encouraging a move toward an autonomous city-state that would allow for peace and prosperity." Wade is Strong's wife and an entrepreneur from Senegal, where she saw firsthand how bad rules prevent people from creating prosperity. "We need jobs. Who creates jobs? Entrepreneurs," she said. But Senegal is awash in rules. There was a government monopoly on cement. When the government allowed competition, prices fell by a third. She started a beverage company. "It was an ordeal. I did it because I am from Senegal. I have an interest in trying to improve things. But for an American company ... why would they put themselves through such a thing?" "What people don't realize is the developing world is massively overregulated," Strong said. "Africa is the most regulated continent on earth." In the Congo, it requires 18 documents to import anything. Wade added: "The fact we have so many rules -- who benefits most? Multinationals." "And crony capitalists," Strong added. "Corruption in Africa is a symptom of massive overregulation." Are there any free cities along the lines Strong and Wade envision? "Hong Kong and Singapore are the best examples," Strong said. "Now they are among the wealthiest places on earth." And there is a free city in Dubai because the emirate wanted to create a financial sector, but sharia law prevented it. "Dubai was brilliant," Strong said. "They looked around the world. They saw that Hong Kong, Singapore, New York, Chicago, Sydney, London all ran British common law. British common law is much better for commerce than is French common law or sharia law. So they took 110 acres of Dubai soil, put British common law with a British judge in charge, and they went from an empty piece of soil to the 16th most powerful financial center in world in eight years." It's what libertarians have said: Freedom works, and government, when it grows beyond the barest minimum, keeps people poor.
Government Makes Us Poor
By John Stossel
Here's my fantasy: Libertarians are elected to the presidency and to majorities in Congress. What would happen next? Well, if libertarians were "in charge," you'd have more freedom and prosperity.
Freedom frightens some people. They say if no one is in charge there would be chaos. That is intuitive, but think about a skating rink. Before rinks were invented, if you proposed an amusement in which people strap blades to their feet and skate around on ice at whatever speeds they wish, you'd have been called crazy. There's got to be speed limits, stoplights, turn signals. But we know that people navigate rinks safely on their own. They create their own order, with only minimal rules.
Society would work the same way -- and does to a large extent even today. "Great part of that order which reigns among mankind is not the effect of government," Thomas Paine, the soul of the American Revolution, wrote. "It has its origin in the principles of society and the natural constitution of man. ... Common interest (has) a greater influence than the laws of government."
If libertarians were "in charge," there would be laws to protect us from foreign enemies and those who would steal from us or injure us. Today, by contrast, under the rule of Democans and Republicrats, we're drowning in rules -- 160,000 pages' worth. Micromanagement kills opportunity and freedom.
Maybe if there were a way to have more competition among governments, things would be better. Competition forces people to become more efficient and to get rid of stupid rules. What if we let people take over some unused land in America to create areas with fewer rules, simpler legal systems, smaller government?
I explored that subject last week with Michael Strong and Magatte Wade, founders of the Free Cities Project.
Strong said, "We want to encourage thousands of people to create new governments that have different rules, each competing for customers with the best education and best health care, the most peace and prosperity you could imagine."
Of course, state governments would have to approve this.
"There are already Native American reservations in the U.S. ... They can become more free. Honduras already has something like this. In Senegal, we're encouraging a move toward an autonomous city-state that would allow for peace and prosperity."
Wade is Strong's wife and an entrepreneur from Senegal, where she saw firsthand how bad rules prevent people from creating prosperity.
"We need jobs. Who creates jobs? Entrepreneurs," she said.
But Senegal is awash in rules. There was a government monopoly on cement. When the government allowed competition, prices fell by a third.
She started a beverage company.
"It was an ordeal. I did it because I am from Senegal. I have an interest in trying to improve things. But for an American company ... why would they put themselves through such a thing?"
"What people don't realize is the developing world is massively overregulated," Strong said. "Africa is the most regulated continent on earth."
In the Congo, it requires 18 documents to import anything.
Wade added: "The fact we have so many rules -- who benefits most? Multinationals."
"And crony capitalists," Strong added. "Corruption in Africa is a symptom of massive overregulation."
Are there any free cities along the lines Strong and Wade envision?
"Hong Kong and Singapore are the best examples," Strong said. "Now they are among the wealthiest places on earth."
And there is a free city in Dubai because the emirate wanted to create a financial sector, but sharia law prevented it.
"Dubai was brilliant," Strong said. "They looked around the world. They saw that Hong Kong, Singapore, New York, Chicago, Sydney, London all ran British common law. British common law is much better for commerce than is French common law or sharia law. So they took 110 acres of Dubai soil, put British common law with a British judge in charge, and they went from an empty piece of soil to the 16th most powerful financial center in world in eight years."
It's what libertarians have said: Freedom works, and government, when it grows beyond the barest minimum, keeps people poor.
Friday, October 28, 2011
I hope the Occupy protesters will start to direct their anger away from Wall Street and big businesses, and toward our government, which has done so much to destroy free markets and entrench crony capitalism.
I hope the Occupy protesters will start to direct their anger away from Wall Street and big businesses, and toward our government, which has done so much to destroy free markets and entrench crony capitalism.
http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/libertarians-to-occupiers-crony-capitalism-is-the-problem
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“They have plenty of money thanks to us and our stupid policies and our terrible negotiators, so China is sitting there with trillions and trillions of dollars,” Trump said. “It’s peanuts for them, as you know. It’s peanuts — it’s irrelevant to them.
“They have plenty of money thanks to us and our stupid policies and our terrible negotiators, so China is sitting there with trillions and trillions of dollars,” Trump said. “It’s peanuts for them, as you know. It’s peanuts — it’s irrelevant to them.
Donald Trump says the Chinese are “cozying up” to the Europeans in order to help with their debt crisis and gain a foothold in the continent’s economy — much as the Asian communist giant did in the United States. The real estate mogul also told Fox News’ Neal Cavuto America’s “stupid policies” have given the Chinese a European opportunity.
“They have plenty of money thanks to us and our stupid policies and our terrible negotiators, so China is sitting there with trillions and trillions of dollars,” Trump said. “It’s peanuts for them, as you know. It’s peanuts — it’s irrelevant to them.
“And they are doing it to try and get into the European situation and obviously do what they are doing to us — to Europe — and they will probably be successful,” he said about China considering buying European debt. “Very smart — very good negotiators. They have their smartest people negotiating and we don’t — it’s a big difference.”
Trump noted, however, the Chinese “cozying up” to the Europeans and helping deal with the Greece crisis — where overwhelming debt has caused worries of the nation’s default — could be to America’s benefit.
“They cozied up to the Germans and I frankly as far as that is concerned, I am very happy about it — I am glad they worked out a deal,” Trump said. “I don’t know how long-lasting it’s going to be — I think at some point the Germans will get a little bit tired of taking care of the Greek problems. But right now it is good for us and whatever is good for us, I am happy about.
“I think it is very hard for the Germans to really do this and to take this, but they seem to be and they want to keep the euro — don’t forget the euro was established in order to take advantage of the United States, and in order to hurt us,” he said. “So all these countries get together and they thought this would be a power play against the United States. Now, maybe it is a power play against others like maybe the Chinese, but they really did this not for our benefit, so, when I watch what is happening it is sort of interesting.
“And some of the countries — like, as an example, I watched England where the prime minister was saying, how lucky they were that they didn’t get interest that mess,” Trump continued.” It is true — they gave up their currencies — they went into the euro. And if Greece had its own currency, it probably could have been worked its way out a lot better than this. It’s a very interesting situation to watch — but it wasn`t done for our advantage.”
“I do not believe that it is the responsibility of the federal government to help fund a college education,” Cain said at an education forum in New York sponsored by News Corp. and the College Board, the New York Post reported
“I do not believe that it is the responsibility of the federal government to help fund a college education,” Cain said at an education forum in New York sponsored by News Corp. and the College Board, the New York Post reported
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has dubbed President Barack Obama’s highly touted plan to alleviate student loan debt a “Ponzi scheme.” The GOP presidential hopeful was commenting on Obama’s plan to forgive outstanding loans after 20 years, CNN’s Political Ticker blog reports.
Gingrich, speaking at an education forum in New York, said Obama’s plan would bankrupt the country "by promising to every young person, 'You won't have to pay off your student loan as a student.'" Gingrich added, "It's a Ponzi scheme even by Gov. Perry's standards." Gingrich was making a reference to Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s controversial comments that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, CNN reported.
Another Republican presidential candidate, Michele Bachmann, also took a shot at the president’s plan, saying it would lead to a "bubble" in higher education. "I think that individuals need to be responsible for repaying their student loan debt," CNN quoted the Minnesota congresswoman as saying.
“I do not believe that it is the responsibility of the federal government to help fund a college education,” Cain said at an education forum in New York sponsored by News Corp. and the College Board, the New York Post reported
“I do not believe that it is the responsibility of the federal government to help fund a college education,” Cain said at an education forum in New York sponsored by News Corp. and the College Board, the New York Post reported
CA 26B in the hole lol
Brown put the administration in a tight spot with his request to slash the state’s Medicaid budget by $1.4 billion to help plug a $26.6 billion budget gap, the worst of the 50 states.
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/medicaid/190349-obama-administration-partially-approves-massive-medicaid-cuts-requested-by-california
Black Voters’ Support for Obama Is Steady and Strong By HELENE COOPER Published: October 26, 2011
Black Voters’ Support for Obama Is Steady and Strong
By HELENE COOPER
Published: October 26, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/27/us/politics/obamas-support-among-blacks-remains-strong.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1
Second, the Democrats, from President Obama on down, were willfully and demonstrably dishonest while peddling Obamacare to the nation. There’s just no way around this fact.
Second, the Democrats, from President Obama on down, were willfully and demonstrably dishonest while peddling Obamacare to the nation. There’s just no way around this fact.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=400377.0
Obama desperate for I helped u stuff to pioint at messes up student loans, instead of ending them, or price controls on schools
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/10/obamas-student-loan-order-saves-the-average-grad-less-than-10-a-month/247411/
The Parody Blog: Exposing Women the same way women denigrate all Men and Boys.. 3305 Articles and counting. Established 2005
http://whatmenthinkofwomen.blogspot.com/2007/06/tom-leykis-taking-feminists-to-task.html
Why Ron Paul has a better chance to win against Obama.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=393887.0
WOLF: CLASS-less Democrats Obamacare collapsing en route to Supreme Court Class, for lack of a better comparison, is like bladder control: You either have it or you don’t. When it comes to forcing Obamacare upon America with dishonest gimmicks, the Democrats have no class. A major portion of Obamacare just collapsed under its own weight, and Democrats are forced to admit that Republicans were right about it all along. The Orwellian-named CLASS Act (Community Living Assistance Services and Supports) is a major entitlement program tucked quietly within the 2,700 pages of Obamacare. Its stated goal was to provide long-term care, principally nursing home care and home health visits. In reality, elderly in need became the unknowing pawns of Democrats who wanted a slick gimmick to balance the Obamacare books. Consider just how thoroughly dishonest the Democrats have been. The White House falsely claimed that its health care overhaul would reduce the deficit. To make this appear to be true, it counted 10 years of CLASS incoming revenue but just five years of expenses. Democratic Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota admitted it was “a Ponzi scheme of the first order, the kind of thing Bernie Madoff would have been proud of.” And then he voted for it. Classless. “Totally unsustainable.” That’s how Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius described the CLASS Act in sworn testimony before the Senate Finance Committee earlier this year. Then she continued to foist it upon America anyway. Classless. But a funny thing happened along the way to the Democrats’ health care utopia. The stubbornly inescapable and elegantly simple Stein’s Law, named for the late economist Herbert Stein, kicked in with a vengeance: “Things that can’t go on forever, don’t.” Collecting 10 years of revenues for every five years of expenses can’t go on forever, and now even HHS admits there is “no viable path forward” for the CLASS Act. Despite HHS’ fatal prognosis for the program, it wants to keep the program on the books anyway so at some point it can attempt a resurrection. Classless. “No viable path forward.” Remember that phrase because you’ll be hearing it more often as the rest of Obamacare faces its own day of reckoning with Stein’s Law. The CLASS Act collapse is a harbinger of things to come, and two lessons are critically important: First, the CLASS Act is nonviable for the same reason that the rest of Obamacare is nonviable: There simply isn’t enough of other people’s money to pay for it. Obamacare is propped up by the individual mandate, which forces would-be free Americans to purchase far more health insurance than they need as an obvious means to transfer wealth. Because Obamacare doles out welfare goodies to families earning up to $88,500 a year - imagine that - a whole lot of wealth needs to be transferred. The individual mandate, as currently adjudicated in federal court, has been ruled unconstitutional. If the Supreme Court resurrects the mandate, it’s likely an even higher court - the voters - will strike it down. Let’s hope the Supreme Court, particularly in light of the CLASS Act collapse, has the wisdom of Solomon and rejects the ill-advised urge to split this baby in half. As U.S. federal Judge Roger Vinson ruled, it’s not enough simply to discard the individual mandate and hope the rest will survive. After all, the White House itself has declared that the individual mandate and the remainder of the law are “inseparably linked.” The collapse of the CLASS Act, absent its own individual mandate, is proof positive. Second, the Democrats, from President Obama on down, were willfully and demonstrably dishonest while peddling Obamacare to the nation. There’s just no way around this fact. There’s no amount of nuance that can escape this reality: The Democrats lied. They should be reminded of this every time they try to peddle more laws. So when Vice President Joseph R. Biden claims, for example, that rapes and murders will increase if the president’s latest stimulus plan isn’t passed - an absurd claim, a four-Pinocchio whopper according to one liberal newspaper - he has forfeited any presumption of honesty. When Obama administration officials make claims, the burden of proof is on them, and until veracity can be independently confirmed, their claims deserve to be discounted. The Democrats are well into fool-me-twice territory. Obamacare will not survive. Even if this ill-conceived law does somehow miraculously withstand the potent legal and political challenges, it cannot survive the unforgiving laws of economics. So when the president forces an unconstitutional law on the nation against the clear will of the majority of Americans and it is proving itself to be wholly unsustainable, there’s really only one conclusion you can reach about Obamacare: “No viable path forward.” Dr. Milton R. Wolf, a Washington Times columnist, is a board-certified diagnostic radiologist and President Obama’s cousin. He blogs at miltonwolf.com. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/26/class-less-democrats/ Just how much of the Obamacare "statistics" did these people pull out of thin air? I'm guessing well over 50%. And still they try to hold onto this program.
WOLF: CLASS-less Democrats
Obamacare collapsing en route to Supreme Court
Class, for lack of a better comparison, is like bladder control: You either have it or you don’t. When it comes to forcing Obamacare upon America with dishonest gimmicks, the Democrats have no class. A major portion of Obamacare just collapsed under its own weight, and Democrats are forced to admit that Republicans were right about it all along.
The Orwellian-named CLASS Act (Community Living Assistance Services and Supports) is a major entitlement program tucked quietly within the 2,700 pages of Obamacare. Its stated goal was to provide long-term care, principally nursing home care and home health visits. In reality, elderly in need became the unknowing pawns of Democrats who wanted a slick gimmick to balance the Obamacare books.
Consider just how thoroughly dishonest the Democrats have been. The White House falsely claimed that its health care overhaul would reduce the deficit. To make this appear to be true, it counted 10 years of CLASS incoming revenue but just five years of expenses. Democratic Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota admitted it was “a Ponzi scheme of the first order, the kind of thing Bernie Madoff would have been proud of.” And then he voted for it. Classless.
“Totally unsustainable.” That’s how Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius described the CLASS Act in sworn testimony before the Senate Finance Committee earlier this year. Then she continued to foist it upon America anyway. Classless.
But a funny thing happened along the way to the Democrats’ health care utopia. The stubbornly inescapable and elegantly simple Stein’s Law, named for the late economist Herbert Stein, kicked in with a vengeance: “Things that can’t go on forever, don’t.” Collecting 10 years of revenues for every five years of expenses can’t go on forever, and now even HHS admits there is “no viable path forward” for the CLASS Act. Despite HHS’ fatal prognosis for the program, it wants to keep the program on the books anyway so at some point it can attempt a resurrection. Classless.
“No viable path forward.” Remember that phrase because you’ll be hearing it more often as the rest of Obamacare faces its own day of reckoning with Stein’s Law. The CLASS Act collapse is a harbinger of things to come, and two lessons are critically important:
First, the CLASS Act is nonviable for the same reason that the rest of Obamacare is nonviable: There simply isn’t enough of other people’s money to pay for it. Obamacare is propped up by the individual mandate, which forces would-be free Americans to purchase far more health insurance than they need as an obvious means to transfer wealth. Because Obamacare doles out welfare goodies to families earning up to $88,500 a year - imagine that - a whole lot of wealth needs to be transferred. The individual mandate, as currently adjudicated in federal court, has been ruled unconstitutional. If the Supreme Court resurrects the mandate, it’s likely an even higher court - the voters - will strike it down.
Let’s hope the Supreme Court, particularly in light of the CLASS Act collapse, has the wisdom of Solomon and rejects the ill-advised urge to split this baby in half. As U.S. federal Judge Roger Vinson ruled, it’s not enough simply to discard the individual mandate and hope the rest will survive. After all, the White House itself has declared that the individual mandate and the remainder of the law are “inseparably linked.” The collapse of the CLASS Act, absent its own individual mandate, is proof positive.
Second, the Democrats, from President Obama on down, were willfully and demonstrably dishonest while peddling Obamacare to the nation. There’s just no way around this fact. There’s no amount of nuance that can escape this reality: The Democrats lied. They should be reminded of this every time they try to peddle more laws. So when Vice President Joseph R. Biden claims, for example, that rapes and murders will increase if the president’s latest stimulus plan isn’t passed - an absurd claim, a four-Pinocchio whopper according to one liberal newspaper - he has forfeited any presumption of honesty. When Obama administration officials make claims, the burden of proof is on them, and until veracity can be independently confirmed, their claims deserve to be discounted. The Democrats are well into fool-me-twice territory.
Obamacare will not survive. Even if this ill-conceived law does somehow miraculously withstand the potent legal and political challenges, it cannot survive the unforgiving laws of economics. So when the president forces an unconstitutional law on the nation against the clear will of the majority of Americans and it is proving itself to be wholly unsustainable, there’s really only one conclusion you can reach about Obamacare: “No viable path forward.”
Dr. Milton R. Wolf, a Washington Times columnist, is a board-certified diagnostic radiologist and President Obama’s cousin. He blogs at miltonwolf.com.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/26/class-less-democrats/
Just how much of the Obamacare "statistics" did these people pull out of thin air? I'm guessing well over 50%. And still they try to hold onto this program.
Obama: Reckless, Incompetent, Ignorant. Inept, Criminal, & Treasonous « 1 2 ... 49 50 »
Obama: Reckless, Incompetent, Ignorant. Inept, Criminal, & Treasonous « 1 2 ... 49 50 »
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=346454.0
Blacks support Obama 95% - 3% in race vs. Romney (The quotes are priceless) « 1 2 ... 5 6 »
Blacks support Obama 95% - 3% in race vs. Romney (The quotes are priceless) « 1 2 ... 5 6 »
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=400343.0
Yet the feminist movement and its values preach the complete opposite and antithesis. Not only do they incite male bashing and double standards against men in society (examples are numerous, see here for some), but they indoctrinate women to look down on men, NOT NEED men, NOT WANT men, be independent, and view males as lower forms of life that are creeps and oppressors by nature. Men are not respected or admired, but seen as immature and dumb, which is exemplified by this movie poster: http://thecia.com.au/reviews/g/images/grown-ups-poster-2.jpg
Yet the feminist movement and its values preach the complete opposite and antithesis. Not only do they incite male bashing and double standards against men in society (examples are numerous, see here for some), but they indoctrinate women to look down on men, NOT NEED men, NOT WANT men, be independent, and view males as lower forms of life that are creeps and oppressors by nature. Men are not respected or admired, but seen as immature and dumb, which is exemplified by this movie poster:
http://thecia.com.au/reviews/g/images/grown-ups-poster-2.jpg
Feminism vs. Men
http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=36&sid=a73944c6cdebbcee5a1a2793f84c3201
2:54] bootiack: its all incentives [02:54] bootiack: government fucks up incentives [02:54] bootiack: incentive is to profit by looting [02:54] bootiack: not producing [02:54] bootiack: when free market customer can say no [02:54] bootiack: not same with government
2:54] bootiack: its all incentives
[02:54] bootiack: government fucks up incentives
[02:54] bootiack: incentive is to profit by looting
[02:54] bootiack: not producing
[02:54] bootiack: when free market customer can say no
[02:54] bootiack: not same with government
[02:51] bootiack: Laws like prostitution and seat belt laws keep the surplus police employed. Criminal records for heterosexual men further marginalizes them and satisfies feminist hatred. If you are in the US and need to do something, I strongly advise you to go to Mexico or Canada, and not get caught up in the US criminal system. [02:51] bootiack: Now you have a situation where getting a wife is a major problem for millions of men and it is not unusual for a man not to get married until his 30s or 40s. Meanwhile, the laws are being liberalized for women and gay men, but are becoming even more harsh for heterosexual men. I also think the US has an oversupply of police.
[02:51] bootiack: Laws like prostitution and seat belt laws keep the surplus police employed. Criminal records for heterosexual men further marginalizes them and satisfies feminist hatred. If you are in the US and need to do something, I strongly advise you to go to Mexico or Canada, and not get caught up in the US criminal system.
[02:51] bootiack: Now you have a situation where getting a wife is a major problem for millions of men and it is not unusual for a man not to get married until his 30s or 40s. Meanwhile, the laws are being liberalized for women and gay men, but are becoming even more harsh for heterosexual men. I also think the US has an oversupply of police.
It's illegal here because feminists and women know that "the only thing they're really worth for" is going to be jeopardized. With legalized brothels here in the US that would be bad, i repeat BAD for American Women. More men would be less apt to marry them, therefore you can't get money out of them from a divorce What's the point of taking an AW for a date, giving her gifts, drinks in the hopes of getting laid ..... when you can just take that same money and get a hooker that will get the job done :D And there won't be a shortage of prostitutes here because there are tons of AW that exploit themselves for money anyways. Sex = quick easy cash As long as a man is straight AND there is money in the world there is ALWAYS going to be prostitution
It's illegal here because feminists and women know that "the only thing they're really worth for" is going to be jeopardized. With legalized brothels here in the US that would be bad, i repeat BAD for American Women.
More men would be less apt to marry them, therefore you can't get money out of them from a divorce
What's the point of taking an AW for a date, giving her gifts, drinks in the hopes of getting laid ..... when you can just take that same money and get a hooker that will get the job done :D
And there won't be a shortage of prostitutes here because there are tons of AW that exploit themselves for money anyways. Sex = quick easy cash
As long as a man is straight AND there is money in the world there is ALWAYS going to be prostitution
[01:48] bootiack: man a bar sells beer [01:48] bootiack: 50cents [01:48] bootiack: for 5 bucks [01:48] bootiack: 500 cents [01:48] bootiack: 1,000% profit [01:48] bootiack: then [01:48] bootiack: you are supposed to TIP
[01:48] bootiack: man a bar sells beer
[01:48] bootiack: 50cents
[01:48] bootiack: for 5 bucks
[01:48] bootiack: 500 cents
[01:48] bootiack: 1,000% profit
[01:48] bootiack: then
[01:48] bootiack: you are supposed to TIP
Leykis 101 Rules
Leykis 101 Rules
1. Spend no more than 40 dollars on a date.
* You worked hard for it and you should keep it. Spending more won't get you laid anyway. Optimally you should set up an after dinner date for cocktails.
2. Never date single mothers.
* You already know her stance on abortion, she won’t have one. Don’t risk paying vaginamoney. Plus her kids will always be #1 in her life and you will always be in the back burner. Why would you want to be in second place to some spoiled brat. They already made a mistake once, twice or more. Note: Child support if for 18 years boys!
3. 3 dates and no poon....?....you are outta there.
* If you haven't got laid by the 3rd date you are travling down the "friends" road and she is just sponging off you. (Leykis' 3 date rule is for guys who ONLY want sex - they don't WANT a relationship. If you're looking for a relationship, then that rule doesn't apply).
4. Leave if a chick if she answers her cell phone during a date.
* Most likely she has set up the bogus emergency call to get out of the date early because she's not going to bang or, she just talked to the bad boy that will bang her after you just bought the meal. If she answers the phone and you get that vibe, excuse yourself to the restroom and leave her there.
5. No coffee dates, no lunch dates.
* These are non-humping dates. You want alcohol involved.
6. There should be as little time as possible from drinking to banging. Don't detour to Denny's for breakfast or anything like that. She'll sober up and she won't want to bang.
7. Thursday-Saturday is offlimits for a girl unless its definite poon. This time is spent hanging out with your friends and having a good time.
8. Never answer your phone during the weekend.
* You want women to believe you are too busy out doing stuff.
9. Do not have a serious relationship until you have realized your personal dreams.
* Women are dream killers and will suck the life out of what you always wanted to do.
10. (For beginers) To get it done, Leykis says start with chunky chicks who are experienced or older women.
* Older women will love a young guy hitting on them and will show them the ropes. Remember: To play in the game, you have to warm up in the bullpen. This method gives you lots of room for player mistakes.
11. Never bang any chick from work.
* Unless you want to be fired. Yea, lots of people have met at work and it worked out for them but, there are also lots of sexual harassment suits ahppening and you don't want to be one of them.
12. YOU ARE PROUD TO BE AN ASSHOLE...wear it like a badge.
* Tons of women seem to respect guys that act like jerks. If it's not true why are they alway running after "Bad Boys"?
13. USE A CONDOM DURING EVERY ENCOUNTER. NO EXCEPTIONS!
* You don't want the crap she brought home and you don't want to pay child support for 18 years right? NOTE: When your done get rid of the condom good....some chicks are just crazy enough to remove the contents.
14. From Tom himself: The best chicks are the ones who aren't totally americanized. Those girls are pretty much faithful, are hot, good in bed, and will treat you well.
15. Try the best you can to make sure you don't bring a chick back to your place to bang.
* You don't want a girl who knows where you lived after you dumped her and gone to the next girl.
16. Your income will reflect the quality of poon you get. Strive high, don't settle, stay hungry. Girls upgrade all the time, and guys should be able to also.
17. Do not leave voicemails.
*Your number will show up on her caller ID and that will be enough to get her interest in many cases.
18. Show any way possible that you don't need her. Make her feel like she matters, but she is easily replaceable.
18. NEVER call a bitch twice in the same week.
* This was in the movie Swingers, and Tom's played it before.
19. Don't discuss that you are a Leykis listener and follow his rules.
* Many women think Tom is a pig and won't bang just because.
20. Christmas, New Year's eve and Day, Valentine's Day, Thanksgiving, her birthday or yours, these are days that are off limits. You do not make plans with chicks you are dating on these days.
21. If you have a dinner date, eat a hearty meal before taking her out.
* Tell the waiter that you'll just have a salad. Tell your date your eating healthy. What girl is going to eat more than you?
22. Never do what you don’t want to do.
*You make the money, you decide on what you want to do and where you want to do it.
23. Don’t ask a woman what she wants. Women never know what they want.
* You're driving this ship.
24. No Spooning, No cuddling, No staying over. Get in and get out!
25. Don’t speak to women you work with unless it is work related. Don’t tell them they look nice, don’t comment on anything except on what work needs to be done. Your conversation should be limited to Good morning and goodnight with exception of the occasional good afternoon. Saying anything more may and most likely will lead up to a lawsuit.
26 Men don’t dance!
* The only exception is if you are Gay or Latino.
27. Never compliment a woman. Never.
* It raises her self esteem and she will look down on you. It will actually decrease your chances of getting pussy.
Of mention:
Hold off on marriage as long as possible. There is no benefit for a man getting married.
* Proof- your husbandly responsibilties include but not limited to the following
1. pay for rent or mortgage(full or portion of the house will be hers in case of divorce)
2. pay for her credit card bills
3. pay for her medical bills
4. pay for her dental bills
5. pay for the gas she puts in her car
6. pay for her car
7. pay for her car repairs
8. pay for childbirth
9. pay for childs clothes.
10. pay for her groceries
11. pay for her shoes
12. pay for her clothes
13. pay for furniture
14. pay phone bill, gas bill, electric bill, water bill
14. pay for her traffic citations
15. pay for gifts she buys for her own family
17. pay for her school loans
18. pay for girlie things like new carpet, designer minibilinds, wall paper, new paint, plants, decorations etc......
A woman's wifely responsibities on the other hand require an almost infinitely less expenditure of blood and sweat- suck and fuck the husband and be nice. A man's ordeal doesn't end there, the load only gets greater. Once a husband makes more money and fulfills all of the above and thinks he can relax a bit the wife will add more load on which the husband must deliver. Examples are: moving into a larger more expensive house, buying another expensive car, having more children, shopping more frequently, picking up expensive habits (eating out, expensive vacations, visits to the salon, cosmetic surgery etc). In other words most husbands will be chained to the office until death.
It doesn't end there. Women today are vastly different from their 1950's counterparts. Most wives of 50 yrs ago expected little from a husband- just have a decent job and fuck me and most stayed in the marriage for better or worse. Today's female is a totally different breed of cat. Look at divorce rates. Now if the husband and/or wife decides to divorce the husband will PAY. After divorce court all the husband will own are his shrivelled balls and a ton of bills and bad credit while the wife will enjoy the house, cars, children, and a pound of the husbands flesh and blood every month(alimony & child support payments). Now the husband will never get laid. What woman will fuck a broken down loser with a lifetime of alimony payments. Remember, none of you guys are special and divorce can and will happen to any of us.
Wednesday, October 26, 2011
(3:17:24 PM) azathoth99: in arhclinux pacman -Syu = all packages updated in BINARY (3:17:30 PM) azathoth99: latest stable (3:17:34 PM) azathoth99: including kernel (3:17:37 PM) azathoth99: woo wee awesome (3:17:42 PM) azathoth99: 0 compiling
(3:17:24 PM) azathoth99: in arhclinux pacman -Syu = all packages updated in BINARY
(3:17:30 PM) azathoth99: latest stable
(3:17:34 PM) azathoth99: including kernel
(3:17:37 PM) azathoth99: woo wee awesome
(3:17:42 PM) azathoth99: 0 compiling
(3:10:45 PM) azathoth99: exacly (3:10:54 PM) azathoth99: foret virtualization and forget SAN (3:10:59 PM) azathoth99: use softriad 10 on a ncie big box (3:11:01 PM) Silent: IF my idea is possible (3:11:01 PM) azathoth99: done (3:11:04 PM) mycomputerisbrok left the room (quit: Read error: Operation timed out). (3:11:08 PM) azathoth99: if worried get second box and load balance (3:11:09 PM) azathoth99: done (3:11:10 PM) azathoth99: blam!!!!1
(3:10:45 PM) azathoth99: exacly
(3:10:54 PM) azathoth99: foret virtualization and forget SAN
(3:10:59 PM) azathoth99: use softriad 10 on a ncie big box
(3:11:01 PM) Silent: IF my idea is possible
(3:11:01 PM) azathoth99: done
(3:11:04 PM) mycomputerisbrok left the room (quit: Read error: Operation timed out).
(3:11:08 PM) azathoth99: if worried get second box and load balance
(3:11:09 PM) azathoth99: done
(3:11:10 PM) azathoth99: blam!!!!1
Sowell: Politicians Should Be Prohibited From Intervening in the Economy
http://www.newsmax.com/video
chibi scheme picolisp lisp comparisons
http://dorophone.blogspot.com/2011/07/survey-of-syntactic-extension.html
Tuesday, October 25, 2011
why intuit and other accountants hate falt tax? makes them obsolete!!
(6:56:50 PM) bootiack: keep flat tax away
(6:56:51 PM) bootiack: lol
(6:56:58 PM) bootiack: thier whole corp go awya if do tax on postcrad
(6:57:07 PM) bootiack: and hell net over do tax if damn fairtax.org
(6:57:13 PM) bootiack: since 23% sales no other tax
(6:57:18 PM) bootiack: just buy something and forget
(6:57:21 PM) bootiack: buy used 0 tax
rik peryr right save 500B in compliance and save more oni accounting lawsuits of falt or fairtax.org
[04:01] ? [04:01] accruance? [04:01] 10k what? [04:01] all pensions gone [04:01] gone [04:01] no paying anyone to sit on ass [04:01] gavino: and the privat ones are no support, bad quality ? [04:02] gavino, but it was their own money they paid into it in the first place so they would have to get their money back [04:02] copetition brings quality [04:02] no [04:02] they dont pay 100% on at all [04:02] they get massive stolen tax money [04:02] stolen?!? what is stolen from where [04:02] if you paid tax with your money, it used to be your money! [04:03] stolen from ME [04:03] but I see you want to steal only 10% [04:03] ok but you pay 1 and get 100 [04:03] thats stealing 99 [04:03] lol [04:03] from where [04:03] from the tax payer [04:03] if someone ibvests in streets etc... they reduce their income and spare lotof taxes [04:03] you know that a cop retires and get equivalent of 2million cash? [04:03] he never paid in 2million [04:03] paid in abotu 20,000 [04:04] rest comes from soaking tax payer [04:04] eh your cops must be rich [04:04] and in mos cases they also bet bonus of taxes from thegoverment [04:04] well when you pay someone 80% of thier salary [04:04] until they die [04:04] aaah [04:04] and they retire early at say 52 [04:04] you mean in total? [04:04] do the math [04:04] with interest [04:04] yesssss [04:04] I can't believe you pay every cop 2 million dollars at the time when he retires [04:04] Its like rik perry said a ponzi scheme [04:04] equivalent fo 2m cash yes [04:04] they get pension [04:05] pay+healthcare [04:05] when doing nothing [04:05] but a pension works over time, not instantly [04:05] watching tv [04:05] right [04:05] equivalent means calculated total [04:05] yes [04:05] everyone would prefer instant cash:) [04:05] oh of cousre [04:05] Competition brings only at the beginning - abit of more quality [04:05] but politicians liek obama cant scam when cash is needed [04:05] they need to promise on in 10 years the cuts i amde wil save 450million [04:06] there is no cash anymore really it is all deficit [04:06] so let me spend 450million now [04:06] even if i gota borrow it [04:06] lol [04:06] but after short time... the costs ar ethe problem and someone competetes with less quality and less costs [04:06] lol [04:06] yessss [04:06] costs [04:06] exactly [04:06] cmon [04:06] only in government can you get somehow paying a guy to do nothing [04:06] the world economy is a ponzi scheme [04:06] not totally [04:06] governmetn ponizs [04:07] the problem is the huge excess value [04:07] that was ponzi http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Ponzi.jpg [04:07] created by mass production [04:07] was huge enuf [04:07] picture from 1910 more than 100 years ago :) [04:07] to keep everyone wealthy for a while [04:07] but [04:07] eh [04:07] now the governemtn has gone 100x as further in terms of stealing that excess value [04:07] everyone ... [04:07] so exteremly far [04:07] in the case of obama [04:07] that the debt is equal to our output [04:08] its just crazy [04:08] aha and it was better under Bush jr. ? [04:08] as lon as people don't understand, that the system produces loosers cause of % and % of %... witch is in total larger then the market-grow... things are getting worse [04:08] much mich beter [04:08] much much much much better [04:08] look at deficit [04:08] 16T [04:08] I like gavino :) [04:08] under bush 6T [04:08] +10T [04:08] in 2 years [04:08] wow [04:08] insane!!1 [04:08] obama bailouts [04:08] at least mccain woulda let some of those fuckers fail [04:08] ron paul woulda [04:08] the problem is not bush or obama.... it simple math, we are in a state of exponentional grow of cash [04:08] obama biggest failure of usa [04:09] don't think it was that much much much much better under Bush jr. either http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/jun2005/usde-j21.shtml ;) [04:09] ron paul will never win [04:09] but they 2 dumbheads could stop wars [04:09] no problem is obama and he will be 1 termer [04:09] bush was a ok [04:09] remember [04:09] the fed caused 2008 bubble [04:09] and government [04:09] ok who will win the coming election gavino ? [04:09] I predict mitt romney will be next president [04:09] or could have [04:09] and that speeded things LITTLE bit up [04:09] possibly [04:10] government should end fed at minimum [04:10] I am not even comforatable will governemtn issuing bonds [04:10] or city bonds lcaoly [04:10] governemtn should have to pay for its spending [04:10] in tax money [04:10] and show voters [04:10] hey u want this [04:10] u gota pay bitches [04:11] imagine if obama had raside taxes on each of 300m people in USA by 33,000 [04:11] ok but you all pay it from 10% tax right? [04:11] he did its 10T deficit [04:11] !! [04:11] best part is debt now grow with interest [04:11] wow [04:11] can u imagine having 33,000 bill from obama government?
[04:01] ?
[04:01] accruance?
[04:01] 10k what?
[04:01] all pensions gone
[04:01] gone
[04:01] no paying anyone to sit on ass
[04:01] gavino: and the privat ones are no support, bad quality ?
[04:02] gavino, but it was their own money they paid into it in the first place so they would have to get their money back
[04:02] copetition brings quality
[04:02] no
[04:02] they dont pay 100% on at all
[04:02] they get massive stolen tax money
[04:02] stolen?!? what is stolen from where
[04:02] if you paid tax with your money, it used to be your money!
[04:03] stolen from ME
[04:03] but I see you want to steal only 10%
[04:03] ok but you pay 1 and get 100
[04:03] thats stealing 99
[04:03] lol
[04:03] from where
[04:03] from the tax payer
[04:03] if someone ibvests in streets etc... they reduce their income and spare lotof taxes
[04:03] you know that a cop retires and get equivalent of 2million cash?
[04:03] he never paid in 2million
[04:03] paid in abotu 20,000
[04:04] rest comes from soaking tax payer
[04:04] eh your cops must be rich
[04:04] and in mos cases they also bet bonus of taxes from thegoverment
[04:04] well when you pay someone 80% of thier salary
[04:04] until they die
[04:04] aaah
[04:04] and they retire early at say 52
[04:04] you mean in total?
[04:04] do the math
[04:04] with interest
[04:04] yesssss
[04:04] I can't believe you pay every cop 2 million dollars at the time when he retires
[04:04] Its like rik perry said a ponzi scheme
[04:04] equivalent fo 2m cash yes
[04:04] they get pension
[04:05] pay+healthcare
[04:05] when doing nothing
[04:05] but a pension works over time, not instantly
[04:05] watching tv
[04:05] right
[04:05] equivalent means calculated total
[04:05] yes
[04:05] everyone would prefer instant cash:)
[04:05] oh of cousre
[04:05] Competition brings only at the beginning - abit of more quality
[04:05] but politicians liek obama cant scam when cash is needed
[04:05] they need to promise on in 10 years the cuts i amde wil save 450million
[04:06] there is no cash anymore really it is all deficit
[04:06] so let me spend 450million now
[04:06] even if i gota borrow it
[04:06] lol
[04:06] but after short time... the costs ar ethe problem and someone competetes with less quality and less costs
[04:06] lol
[04:06] yessss
[04:06] costs
[04:06] exactly
[04:06] cmon
[04:06] only in government can you get somehow paying a guy to do nothing
[04:06] the world economy is a ponzi scheme
[04:06] not totally
[04:06] governmetn ponizs
[04:07] the problem is the huge excess value
[04:07] that was ponzi http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Ponzi.jpg
[04:07] created by mass production
[04:07] was huge enuf
[04:07] picture from 1910 more than 100 years ago :)
[04:07] to keep everyone wealthy for a while
[04:07] but
[04:07] eh
[04:07] now the governemtn has gone 100x as further in terms of stealing that excess value
[04:07] everyone ...
[04:07] so exteremly far
[04:07] in the case of obama
[04:07] that the debt is equal to our output
[04:08] its just crazy
[04:08] aha and it was better under Bush jr. ?
[04:08] as lon as people don't understand, that the system produces loosers cause of % and % of %... witch is in total larger then the market-grow... things are getting worse
[04:08] much mich beter
[04:08] much much much much better
[04:08] look at deficit
[04:08] 16T
[04:08] I like gavino :)
[04:08] under bush 6T
[04:08] +10T
[04:08] in 2 years
[04:08] wow
[04:08] insane!!1
[04:08] obama bailouts
[04:08] at least mccain woulda let some of those fuckers fail
[04:08] ron paul woulda
[04:08] the problem is not bush or obama.... it simple math, we are in a state of exponentional grow of cash
[04:08] obama biggest failure of usa
[04:09] don't think it was that much much much much better under Bush jr. either http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/jun2005/usde-j21.shtml ;)
[04:09] ron paul will never win
[04:09] but they 2 dumbheads could stop wars
[04:09] no problem is obama and he will be 1 termer
[04:09] bush was a ok
[04:09] remember
[04:09] the fed caused 2008 bubble
[04:09] and government
[04:09] ok who will win the coming election gavino ?
[04:09] I predict mitt romney will be next president
[04:09] or could have
[04:09] and that speeded things LITTLE bit up
[04:09] possibly
[04:10] government should end fed at minimum
[04:10] I am not even comforatable will governemtn issuing bonds
[04:10] or city bonds lcaoly
[04:10] governemtn should have to pay for its spending
[04:10] in tax money
[04:10] and show voters
[04:10] hey u want this
[04:10] u gota pay bitches
[04:11] imagine if obama had raside taxes on each of 300m people in USA by 33,000
[04:11] ok but you all pay it from 10% tax right?
[04:11] he did its 10T deficit
[04:11] !!
[04:11] best part is debt now grow with interest
[04:11] wow
[04:11] can u imagine having 33,000 bill from obama government?
[03:34] == gavino [47bd073a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.189.7.58] has joined #gobolinux [03:37] end the fed!! [03:37] end public ed! [03:37] lol [03:37] end insurance corps! [03:38] gavino you are the perfect corporate man [03:39] there is a term when fat governmetn pigs give fat handouts to large non competitive corporaations: communism/fascism/socialism [03:40] capitalism would never allow thsi bs [03:40] no way no how [03:40] linux is very capitaist os [03:40] as are bsds [03:40] :) [03:40] occupy the fed!! [03:40] http://www.dilbert.com/fast/1993-08-17/ [03:41] hey is there a way to install gobo from a usb? [03:41] I couldn't get the bugger to boot [03:41] when I used a windows based tool [03:41] I am now on archlinux and can use linux toolz [03:46] gavino this is sooooo opinionated! [03:46] do you even know the term "disaster capitalism"? [03:46] the US warfare is a strategic tool to achieve precisely this [03:46] its a term to hide the failings of communism/socialism/fascism and blame capitalism [03:46] lol [03:46] totally transparent drivel [03:47] corruption is always free of ideology gavino [03:47] no smart person gives it even a huff [03:47] it exists [03:47] if you think capitalism leads to 0 corruption then you are a lying bitch! [03:47] ah yes hench the founding fathers of usa said we want small government and division of powers, and no central bank or king [03:48] as if dick cheney ever cared about the founding fathers [03:48] I think capitalism is better than any other system tried, and that the fed failed in 2008 1998 and 1921 [03:48] as if rumsfeld has never had a conflict of interest holding his shares [03:48] I also note that USA and japan and china, the most capitalist nations, happen to be 1-2-3 bigget economies [03:48] china is a capitalist nation? [03:49] in some respects more so than USA [03:49] you know that they are skewing their currency and dumping it [03:49] well they pegged it to the dollar [03:49] and now politicians want to punish them for ir [03:49] which is kinda weird [03:49] yea [03:49] == Gryfelhase [~gryflhase@46.115.24.52] has joined #gobolinux [03:49] sounds like government making silly rules [03:49] not allowing simple free trade [03:50] all governments try that, even the USA [03:50] and besides [03:50] vote republican [03:50] subsidies exist so how can this be "free" trade [03:50] I will and do [03:50] allow freedom is the short answer [03:50] the republicans and democrats are the same party [03:50] democrats say that a lot [03:50] few republicans do [03:50] democrates ir repunblican... both are marionetts of the same puppetmasters... [03:51] see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JSBhI_0at0 video [03:51] are you say a socislist/communist/fascist? [03:51] well, Ron Paul is a bit different [03:51] and it's a reason why he will never win :) [03:51] communism never existed [03:51] it was a dictatorship [03:51] as was fascism and socialism [03:52] Ron Paul is very capitalist [03:52] i love ron [03:52] pfft [03:52] you are a tea party voter [03:52] communism existed in soviet russia [03:52] and in fascist italy [03:52] no, it was not communism [03:52] There's a clever rule... : manipulate people of the goverment, whatever party they are in [03:52] oh yes [03:52] it was [03:52] Who is John Galt? [03:52] no it was not [03:52] oh yes it was [03:53] gavino define communism [03:53] big government [03:53] government at the people [03:53] so communism is big government? [03:53] :) [03:53] so if the USA has a big government, it is communism? [03:53] fascism socialism communism monarchism soviet russia all same [03:53] hehe [03:54] are there no pirates in the usa ? :) [03:54] The only party you can vote at in germany :) [03:54] when you deficit spend you are raising taxes [03:54] gavino, are you for 0 tax? [03:54] I am for low taxes [03:54] very low [03:54] no reaction from gavino... [03:54] define low [03:54] gavino: read Atlas Shrugged [03:54] and very very low spending by government [03:54] and lots of freedom [03:55] you don't even define how low low is!!! [03:55] the things that made usa great [03:55] so? [03:55] you don't define anything [03:55] you are the perfect politican :) [03:55] you are worried about definitions when you might have many difinitions dead wrong [03:55] and that is why you are confused [03:55] give one [03:55] simple [03:56] I am for a free budget without taxes (here in germany for a single say 1000 euro, for a pair 1500, for pair wirth child 2000....and anithing above your free budget 60% taxes that finacnes the healt etc [03:56] (1000 per month) [03:56] what was Milton Friedman's ideal tax proposal gavino in %? [03:56] government should spend 40% of what it does now [03:56] for a starter [03:56] end the fed [03:56] lol [03:56] milton was a cool guy [03:56] so was henry george [03:56] but you don't know any details [03:56] end all insurance corps [03:56] end tobacco corps [03:56] you are like a little kid who knows nothing [03:57] gavino - how high was the tax imposed by Paul Bremer in Iraq? [03:57] no you are a name caller, which is more a little kid [03:57] hong kong had 15% flat tax [03:57] good number! [03:57] and one of great devlopment stories in history [03:57] the 15% was what Paul Bremer also used, it is Milton Friedman's magic number :) [03:57] lets abolish irs and have 15% sales tax on new goods only [03:57] hek lets make it 10% [03:58] and no death tax [03:58] no inheritance tax [03:58] no cap gain tax [03:58] no fed [03:58] basics [03:58] these are like bare minimum [03:58] balanced budget by cutting spending [03:58] reduce rules [03:58] allow free market to arrive at solutions [03:58] Gryfelhase you still have to maintain certain basic things though, roads and so on. I haven't seen anyone run a purely private version for that yet [03:59] remember the calculation problem [03:59] you could easily have private roads [03:59] and cops n firemen [03:59] easy [03:59] I would put the military to work building power plants [03:59] nuclear power plants [03:59] and pay france to share their excellent technology [04:00] end all environmental lawyering [04:00] shevy: with 60% taxes aove your free budget no problem [04:00] end case law [04:00] gavino, does the USA have private roads not paid by taxpayers? [04:00] repalce msot lawyers with software [04:00] the highways? :) [04:00] the highways are tax paid [04:00] and were inefficiently made [04:00] as are all government projects [04:00] fat n inefficient [04:00] ok so what is made private is always perfect [04:00] so people with above 10k+ month would have to pay MUCH more then today [04:01] no limit in healt and age accurance they have now [04:01] ? [04:01] accruance? [04:01] 10k what? [04:01] all pensions gone [04:01] gone [04:01] no paying anyone to sit on ass [04:01] gavino: and the privat ones are no support, bad quality ? [04:02] gavino, but it was their own money they paid into it in the first place so they would have to get their money back [04:02] copetition brings quality [04:02] no [04:02] they dont pay 100% on at all [04:02] they get massive stolen tax money
[03:34] == gavino [47bd073a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.189.7.58] has joined #gobolinux
[03:37] end the fed!!
[03:37] end public ed!
[03:37] lol
[03:37] end insurance corps!
[03:38] gavino you are the perfect corporate man
[03:39] there is a term when fat governmetn pigs give fat handouts to large non competitive corporaations: communism/fascism/socialism
[03:40] capitalism would never allow thsi bs
[03:40] no way no how
[03:40] linux is very capitaist os
[03:40] as are bsds
[03:40] :)
[03:40] occupy the fed!!
[03:40] http://www.dilbert.com/fast/1993-08-17/
[03:41] hey is there a way to install gobo from a usb?
[03:41] I couldn't get the bugger to boot
[03:41] when I used a windows based tool
[03:41] I am now on archlinux and can use linux toolz
[03:46] gavino this is sooooo opinionated!
[03:46] do you even know the term "disaster capitalism"?
[03:46] the US warfare is a strategic tool to achieve precisely this
[03:46] its a term to hide the failings of communism/socialism/fascism and blame capitalism
[03:46] lol
[03:46] totally transparent drivel
[03:47] corruption is always free of ideology gavino
[03:47] no smart person gives it even a huff
[03:47] it exists
[03:47] if you think capitalism leads to 0 corruption then you are a lying bitch!
[03:47] ah yes hench the founding fathers of usa said we want small government and division of powers, and no central bank or king
[03:48] as if dick cheney ever cared about the founding fathers
[03:48] I think capitalism is better than any other system tried, and that the fed failed in 2008 1998 and 1921
[03:48] as if rumsfeld has never had a conflict of interest holding his shares
[03:48] I also note that USA and japan and china, the most capitalist nations, happen to be 1-2-3 bigget economies
[03:48] china is a capitalist nation?
[03:49] in some respects more so than USA
[03:49] you know that they are skewing their currency and dumping it
[03:49] well they pegged it to the dollar
[03:49] and now politicians want to punish them for ir
[03:49] which is kinda weird
[03:49] yea
[03:49] == Gryfelhase [~gryflhase@46.115.24.52] has joined #gobolinux
[03:49] sounds like government making silly rules
[03:49] not allowing simple free trade
[03:50] all governments try that, even the USA
[03:50] and besides
[03:50] vote republican
[03:50] subsidies exist so how can this be "free" trade
[03:50] I will and do
[03:50] allow freedom is the short answer
[03:50] the republicans and democrats are the same party
[03:50] democrats say that a lot
[03:50] few republicans do
[03:50] democrates ir repunblican... both are marionetts of the same puppetmasters...
[03:51] see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JSBhI_0at0 video
[03:51] are you say a socislist/communist/fascist?
[03:51] well, Ron Paul is a bit different
[03:51] and it's a reason why he will never win :)
[03:51] communism never existed
[03:51] it was a dictatorship
[03:51] as was fascism and socialism
[03:52] Ron Paul is very capitalist
[03:52] i love ron
[03:52] pfft
[03:52] you are a tea party voter
[03:52] communism existed in soviet russia
[03:52] and in fascist italy
[03:52] no, it was not communism
[03:52] There's a clever rule... : manipulate people of the goverment, whatever party they are in
[03:52] oh yes
[03:52] it was
[03:52] Who is John Galt?
[03:52] no it was not
[03:52] oh yes it was
[03:53] gavino define communism
[03:53] big government
[03:53] government at the people
[03:53] so communism is big government?
[03:53] :)
[03:53] so if the USA has a big government, it is communism?
[03:53] fascism socialism communism monarchism soviet russia all same
[03:53] hehe
[03:54] are there no pirates in the usa ? :)
[03:54] The only party you can vote at in germany :)
[03:54] when you deficit spend you are raising taxes
[03:54] gavino, are you for 0 tax?
[03:54] I am for low taxes
[03:54] very low
[03:54] no reaction from gavino...
[03:54] define low
[03:54] gavino: read Atlas Shrugged
[03:54] and very very low spending by government
[03:54] and lots of freedom
[03:55] you don't even define how low low is!!!
[03:55] the things that made usa great
[03:55] so?
[03:55] you don't define anything
[03:55] you are the perfect politican :)
[03:55] you are worried about definitions when you might have many difinitions dead wrong
[03:55] and that is why you are confused
[03:55] give one
[03:55] simple
[03:56] I am for a free budget without taxes (here in germany for a single say 1000 euro, for a pair 1500, for pair wirth child 2000....and anithing above your free budget 60% taxes that finacnes the healt etc
[03:56] (1000 per month)
[03:56] what was Milton Friedman's ideal tax proposal gavino in %?
[03:56] government should spend 40% of what it does now
[03:56] for a starter
[03:56] end the fed
[03:56] lol
[03:56] milton was a cool guy
[03:56] so was henry george
[03:56] but you don't know any details
[03:56] end all insurance corps
[03:56] end tobacco corps
[03:56] you are like a little kid who knows nothing
[03:57] gavino - how high was the tax imposed by Paul Bremer in Iraq?
[03:57] no you are a name caller, which is more a little kid
[03:57] hong kong had 15% flat tax
[03:57] good number!
[03:57] and one of great devlopment stories in history
[03:57] the 15% was what Paul Bremer also used, it is Milton Friedman's magic number :)
[03:57] lets abolish irs and have 15% sales tax on new goods only
[03:57] hek lets make it 10%
[03:58] and no death tax
[03:58] no inheritance tax
[03:58] no cap gain tax
[03:58] no fed
[03:58] basics
[03:58] these are like bare minimum
[03:58] balanced budget by cutting spending
[03:58] reduce rules
[03:58] allow free market to arrive at solutions
[03:58] Gryfelhase you still have to maintain certain basic things though, roads and so on. I haven't seen anyone run a purely private version for that yet
[03:59] remember the calculation problem
[03:59] you could easily have private roads
[03:59] and cops n firemen
[03:59] easy
[03:59] I would put the military to work building power plants
[03:59] nuclear power plants
[03:59] and pay france to share their excellent technology
[04:00] end all environmental lawyering
[04:00] shevy: with 60% taxes aove your free budget no problem
[04:00] end case law
[04:00] gavino, does the USA have private roads not paid by taxpayers?
[04:00] repalce msot lawyers with software
[04:00] the highways? :)
[04:00] the highways are tax paid
[04:00] and were inefficiently made
[04:00] as are all government projects
[04:00] fat n inefficient
[04:00] ok so what is made private is always perfect
[04:00] so people with above 10k+ month would have to pay MUCH more then today
[04:01] no limit in healt and age accurance they have now
[04:01] ?
[04:01] accruance?
[04:01] 10k what?
[04:01] all pensions gone
[04:01] gone
[04:01] no paying anyone to sit on ass
[04:01] gavino: and the privat ones are no support, bad quality ?
[04:02] gavino, but it was their own money they paid into it in the first place so they would have to get their money back
[04:02] copetition brings quality
[04:02] no
[04:02] they dont pay 100% on at all
[04:02] they get massive stolen tax money
Cut, Balance and Grow rick perry plan to help economy, not bad
My Tax and Spending Reform Plan
Individuals will have the option of paying a 20% flat-rate income tax and I'll cap spending at 18% of GDP.
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By RICK PERRY
The folks in Washington might not like to hear it, but the plain truth is the U.S. government spends too much. Taxes are too high, too complex, and too riddled with special interest loopholes. And our expensive entitlement system is unsustainable in the long run.
Without significant change quickly, our nation will go the way of some in Europe: mired in debt and unable to pay our bills. President Obama and many in Washington seem unable or unwilling to tackle these issues, either out of fear of alienating the left or because they want Americans to be dependent on big government.
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Kim Strassel explains the Texas governor's tax reform plan.
On Tuesday I will announce my "Cut, Balance and Grow" plan to scrap the current tax code, lower and simplify tax rates, cut spending and balance the federal budget, reform entitlements, and grow jobs and economic opportunity.
The plan starts with giving Americans a choice between a new, flat tax rate of 20% or their current income tax rate. The new flat tax preserves mortgage interest, charitable and state and local tax exemptions for families earning less than $500,000 annually, and it increases the standard deduction to $12,500 for individuals and dependents.
This simple 20% flat tax will allow Americans to file their taxes on a postcard, saving up to $483 billion in compliance costs. By eliminating the dozens of carve-outs that make the current code so incomprehensible, we will renew incentives for entrepreneurial risk-taking and investment that creates jobs, inspires Americans to work hard and forms the foundation of a strong economy. My plan also abolishes the death tax once and for all, providing needed certainty to American family farms and small businesses.
My plan restores American competitiveness in the global marketplace and provides strong incentives for U.S.-based employers to build new factories and create thousands of jobs here at home.
First, we will lower the corporate tax rate to 20%—dropping it from the second highest in the developed world to a rate on par with our global competitors. Second, we will encourage the swift repatriation of some of the $1.4 trillion estimated to be parked overseas by temporarily lowering the rate to 5.25%. And third, we will transition to a "territorial tax system"—as seen in Hong Kong and France, for example—that only taxes in-country income.
The mind-boggling complexity of the current tax code helps large corporations with lawyers and accountants devise the best tax-avoidance strategies money can buy. That is why Cut, Balance and Grow also phases out corporate loopholes and special-interest tax breaks to provide a level playing field for employers of all sizes.
To help older Americans, we will eliminate the tax on Social Security benefits, boosting the incomes of 17 million current beneficiaries who see their benefits taxed if they continue to work and earn income in addition to Social Security earnings.
We will eliminate the tax on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains to free up the billions of dollars Americans are sitting on to avoid taxes on the gain.
All of these tax cuts will be meaningless if we do not control federal spending. Last year the government spent $1.3 trillion more than it collected, and total federal debt now approaches $15 trillion. By the end of 2011, the Office of Management and Budget expects the gross amount of federal debt to exceed the size of America's entire economy for the first time in over 65 years.
Under my plan, we will establish a clear goal of balancing the budget by 2020. It will be an extremely difficult task exacerbated by the current economic crisis and our need for significant tax cuts to spur growth. But that growth is what will get us to balance, if we are willing to make the hard decisions of cutting.
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We should start moving toward fiscal responsibility by capping federal spending at 18% of our gross domestic product, banning earmarks and future bailouts, and passing a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution. My plan freezes federal civilian hiring and salaries until the budget is balanced. And to fix the regulatory excess of the Obama administration and its predecessors, my plan puts an immediate moratorium on pending federal regulations and provides a full audit of all regulations passed since 2008 to determine their need, impact and effect on job creation.
ObamaCare, Dodd-Frank and Section 404 of Sarbanes-Oxley must be quickly repealed and, if necessary, replaced by market-oriented, common-sense measures.
America must also once and for all face up to entitlement reform. To preserve benefits for current and near-term Social Security beneficiaries, my plan permanently stops politicians from raiding the program's trust fund. Congressional IOUs are no substitute for workers' Social Security payments. We should use the federal Highway Trust Fund as a model for protecting the integrity of a pay-as-you-go system.
Cut, Balance and Grow also gives younger workers the option to own their Social Security contributions through personal retirement accounts that Washington politicians can never raid. Because young workers will own their contributions, they will be free to seek a market rate of return if they choose, and to leave their retirement savings to their dependents when they die.
Fixing America's tax, spending and entitlement cultures will not be easy. But the status quo of byzantine taxes, loose spending and the perpetual delay of entitlement reform is a recipe for disaster.
Cut, Balance and Grow strikes a major blow against the Washington-knows-best mindset. It takes money from spendthrift bureaucrats and returns it to families. It puts fewer job-killing regulations on employers and more restrictions on politicians. It gives more freedom to Americans to control their own destiny. And just as importantly, the Cut, Balance and Grow plan paves the way for the job creation, balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility we need to get America working again.
Mr. Perry, a Republican, is the governor of Texas and a candidate for president.
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