fixing world economy and esposing D&D and free software

(12:00:26 AM) The topic for #gobolinux is: Latest tools are Compile 1.13.3 and Scripts 2.10.2 | Stable LiveCD is 014.01 | LiveCD snapshot is available at http://karlsson.sytes.net/gobo/015/iso/GoboLinux-20100214.iso
(12:00:40 AM) shevy: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/2011-April/008635.html
(12:00:46 AM) shevy: well I would scratch 015
(12:00:50 AM) shevy: go make a radical change
(12:00:53 AM) shevy: and even if there are glitches
(12:01:14 AM) shevy: but I think 013 was the best release
(12:01:40 AM) shevy: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/2011-July/008662.html
(12:01:46 AM) shevy: wonder if my scripts could help him :)
(12:02:06 AM) shevy: oh
(12:02:09 AM) shevy: he solved it already lol
(12:02:11 AM) shevy: "Ah, the problem is solved: I should install the CoreUtils!"
(12:02:25 AM) fowl_mouth: the coreutils!
(12:02:44 AM) shevy: ok
(12:02:47 AM) fowl_mouth: i used 013
(12:02:48 AM) shevy: lucas is still active:
(12:02:49 AM) shevy: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-devel/2011-June/004298.html
(12:03:05 AM) shevy: so both hisham and lucas are still about, but less active nowadays
(12:03:32 AM) shevy: here is hishams's message about ViewFS:
(12:03:33 AM) shevy: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-devel/2010-November/004275.html
(12:03:45 AM) shevy: "I know I've been MIA for a good while now -- I've been mostly focused
(12:03:45 AM) shevy: on other stuff and haven't had the time to work on GoboLinux"
(12:04:11 AM) fowl_mouth: http://hisham.hm/category/en_us/
(12:04:51 AM) shevy: and he also twitters:
(12:04:52 AM) shevy: http://twitter.com/#!/hisham_hm
(12:05:17 AM) shevy: fowl_mouth, I think one reason why 015 was delayed was because of the compilings being a lot of work
(12:05:26 AM) octon: :)
(12:05:34 AM) fowl_mouth: i would leave that entirely to the user
(12:06:09 AM) fowl_mouth: but maybe im biased towards gentoo, i like the install process
(12:06:20 AM) octon: gentoo?
(12:06:24 AM) octon: people still install it?
(12:06:38 AM) shevy: well a distributed gobolinux would be nice... like very gobolinux user would register somewhere
(12:06:40 AM) fowl_mouth: gentoo? i thnk so
(12:06:44 AM) shevy: *every
(12:07:00 AM) shevy: archlinux got popular lately in the last 2 years
(12:07:18 AM) fowl_mouth: what percentage of normal linux user use irc
(12:07:45 AM) shevy: hmm
(12:07:48 AM) shevy: 20%
(12:07:59 AM) shevy: but
(12:08:04 AM) fowl_mouth: and the rest, if they check the dead mailing lists or the dead forums will probably say oh thas neat, /programs, filesystem is package manager cool too bad nobody uses it anymore
(12:08:11 AM) shevy: if you include ICQ/AIM/MSN for like pidging, I think the number goes up to 80%
(12:08:15 AM) shevy: *pidgin
(12:08:24 AM) shevy: :(
(12:08:36 AM) shevy: but in 013 times
(12:08:39 AM) shevy: we did not need a forum
(12:08:56 AM) shevy: we didnt even have a wiki lol
(12:09:12 AM) shevy: I CAN REMEMBER IT ALL STILL fowl_mouth !!!
(12:09:21 AM) shevy: things were better!
(12:09:35 AM) fowl_mouth: lol
(12:09:42 AM) fowl_mouth: the creators abandoned us :(
(12:10:59 AM) fowl_mouth: when RBT is stable maybe we could get a post on gobo.org and push it up to osnews/distrowatch
(12:11:51 AM) octon: been archlnux user for 5 years
(12:11:57 AM) octon: its best os in world bar none
(12:12:12 AM) shevy: I still have one goal ... to replace all Gobolinux scripts with RBT ... but there are some missing things and some bugs... who knows when this goal will be achieved
(12:12:33 AM) shevy: yeah on IRC many use archlinux
(12:12:36 AM) shevy: and recommend it
(12:12:44 AM) shevy: but I dont know... it seems mostly build just around pacman
(12:12:49 AM) shevy: what else is there about it? :(
(12:13:04 AM) shevy: okok in the year 2011 I am happy if things work anyway ;)
(12:13:08 AM) shevy: BUT WHERE ARE THE COOL IDEAS!
(12:13:16 AM) fowl_mouth: most valuable thing an os can have is support
(12:13:23 AM) fowl_mouth: free support*
(12:13:31 AM) fowl_mouth: yes free support for all my comrades
(12:13:46 AM) shevy: hehe
(12:14:12 AM) fowl_mouth: when am i going to have a phone that looks like a thin piece of glass
(12:14:21 AM) fowl_mouth: and iron man suits
(12:15:05 AM) fowl_mouth: my friend and i had a serious conversation about keeping someone alive in suspended animation lol
(12:15:38 AM) shevy: hmm
(12:15:54 AM) shevy: suspended animation?
(12:16:14 AM) fowl_mouth: yeah like cryogenics
(12:17:58 AM) shevy: aaaaah
(12:18:10 AM) shevy: eternal life!
(12:18:29 AM) shevy: that's also on my todo list
(12:18:31 AM) shevy: but another one
(12:18:46 AM) shevy: I need to implement and realize my ideas before I die
(12:19:27 AM) fowl_mouth: aka "finish your software" or more to it then that?
(12:21:52 AM) shevy: hehe
(12:22:24 AM) shevy: well finishing software stuff... is permanently ongoing ...
(12:22:32 AM) shevy: but it is more about the IDEAS
(12:22:45 AM) shevy: for instance why do living beings die
(12:23:01 AM) octon: just do 1 set fo bench chin curl leg press daily
(12:23:05 AM) octon: max intensity
(12:23:12 AM) shevy: but you won't reach 200 years that way
(12:23:18 AM) octon: well
(12:23:21 AM) octon: no one will
(12:23:23 AM) octon: ;)
(12:23:27 AM) shevy: right now, true!
(12:23:33 AM) shevy: but what about in 100 years
(12:23:42 AM) octon: in 100 years ww3 kill everyone
(12:23:43 AM) shevy: it is a problem which can have a solution
(12:23:48 AM) shevy: :(
(12:23:51 AM) shevy: may be right
(12:23:54 AM) shevy: but I am an optimist
(12:24:15 AM) shevy: and
(12:24:21 AM) shevy: I don't think a ww3 will kill everyone
(12:25:00 AM) shevy: you would need some global change for that
(12:25:09 AM) shevy: like arctic everywhere on earth
(12:28:02 AM) fowl_mouth: dont you watch movies?
(12:28:03 AM) fowl_mouth: its coming!
(12:29:58 AM) octon: well if we switch to nuclear power==>electric cars/trains/airplanes then energy solved, esp with new low dirty output nuclear plant, then mass produce housing, develop wind+solar power
(12:30:27 AM) octon: science solves everthing but political problem of large % of non producers
(12:30:28 AM) octon: lame
(12:30:33 AM) octon: pensions should all go
(12:30:37 AM) octon: as should unemployment
(12:30:41 AM) octon: and non science school
(12:30:46 AM) octon: also make school all videos
(12:31:13 AM) fowl_mouth: you cant just take pensions away lol
(12:31:27 AM) fowl_mouth: at least not in america
(12:31:47 AM) shevy: not only political
(12:31:56 AM) shevy: there is a lot of money in it
(12:32:11 AM) octon: sure u can
(12:32:15 AM) octon: end em
(12:32:17 AM) octon: all
(12:32:18 AM) octon: :)
(12:32:22 AM) octon: work or starve
(12:32:25 AM) shevy: but it is a contract
(12:32:28 AM) octon: tax land not income
(12:32:28 AM) shevy: they paid taxes
(12:32:35 AM) octon: geoism is very intereesting economic theory
(12:32:36 AM) shevy: they should get a refund, else you would steal from them
(12:32:42 AM) octon: land=someone getting rent sitting on ass
(12:32:44 AM) octon: thats no good
(12:32:47 AM) octon: no
(12:32:55 AM) octon: thier paycheck compensates them for work
(12:33:00 AM) octon: pension is just bs
(12:33:04 AM) octon: comes from tax payer
(12:33:07 AM) octon: production
(12:33:11 AM) octon: no produce no pay
(12:33:18 AM) shevy: ok I don't know where it is but those who established the system initially paid taxes into the system
(12:33:42 AM) shevy: you cant expect from a 60 year old to start from zero
(12:33:48 AM) shevy: in 20 years he'll be dead or crippled :P
(12:33:55 AM) shevy: or "physically impaired"
(12:34:32 AM) shevy: we should all enter politics
(12:34:34 AM) shevy: get bribes
(12:34:36 AM) shevy: get rich
(12:34:38 AM) shevy: then quit
(12:34:39 AM) shevy: :)
(12:35:06 AM) fowl_mouth: nah im too lazy for that
(12:35:52 AM) octon: why not
(12:35:55 AM) octon: he shoulda saved
(12:35:56 AM) octon: :)
(12:36:09 AM) octon: u dont jsut spend all your $$ and expect taxpayers to get soaked for u
(12:36:12 AM) octon: fucking union fucks
(12:36:33 AM) fowl_mouth: lol
(12:36:50 AM) fowl_mouth: if the whole country's work force was set up that way it would probably prosper
(12:37:10 AM) octon: take all $$ from phd education and admins
(12:37:12 AM) octon: fire all them
(12:37:19 AM) octon: give lil to ease o pensions in 4 years
(12:37:22 AM) octon: then gone
(12:37:24 AM) octon: economy take off
(12:37:28 AM) octon: end school
(12:37:32 AM) octon: vid tape taachers
(12:37:35 AM) octon: upload vids
(12:37:39 AM) octon: then have test
(12:37:43 AM) octon: maybe science lab
(12:37:49 AM) fowl_mouth: thats what students need
(12:37:49 AM) octon: but honestly most labs are useless
(12:37:55 AM) octon: going movies=phd
(12:37:57 AM) fowl_mouth: cold interaction through the eyes of a tv
(12:37:59 AM) octon: miss a class?
(12:38:04 AM) octon: no problem rewatch movie
(12:38:06 AM) octon: :)
(12:38:10 AM) octon: vid tape BEST in world
(12:38:21 AM) octon: education=restricive research monopoly
(12:38:31 AM) octon: allow common man to reaserach=more innovation
(12:38:36 AM) octon: hell look at linux
(12:38:40 AM) octon: corp n governmetn cant
(12:39:14 AM) fowl_mouth: well malaysia is rioting
(12:39:53 AM) shevy: but linux sucks too
(12:39:58 AM) shevy: all the GUI things on linux
(12:40:02 AM) shevy: the www is killing them all
(12:40:06 AM) fowl_mouth: heres your chance to mobilize a country into prosperity, maybe they'll even rename it octonland just for you :D
(12:40:15 AM) shevy: hahaha
(12:40:24 AM) shevy: octon, if you get your land, can I visit you
(12:41:11 AM) octon: sure
(12:41:21 AM) fowl_mouth: me too
(12:41:32 AM) octon: I shall call it Sharon
(12:41:34 AM) fowl_mouth: i want to grow fields of marijuana uninterrupted
(12:41:41 AM) octon: no problem
(12:41:53 AM) fowl_mouth: you're a saint :)
(12:42:16 AM) octon: demigods in D&D were not quite gods, yes more like a saint
(12:42:57 AM) shevy: lol
(12:43:16 AM) fowl_mouth: haa dnd nerd
(12:43:25 AM) shevy: I was one too years ago
(12:43:41 AM) shevy: but a friend passed away ~4 years ago and the old group disbanded eventually
(12:45:03 AM) octon: im in south bay los angeles
(12:45:13 AM) octon: goodamn gamers all in liek valley n pasadena miles away
(12:45:19 AM) octon: meetup charges for registration
(12:45:20 AM) octon: LAME
(12:45:30 AM) octon: frigging bulletin board easiest app ever
(12:45:33 AM) octon: anyhow
(12:45:41 AM) octon: no one gmaing her ein sothbay
(12:45:42 AM) octon: sux
(12:45:49 AM) octon: I bought tunnel n trols game
(12:45:51 AM) octon: for the art
(12:45:53 AM) fowl_mouth: shevy: does ncurses gem compile for you?
(12:46:02 AM) octon: got copy palladium fantasy rpg EPIK
(12:46:10 AM) fowl_mouth: lol
(12:46:13 AM) octon: best rpg ever d&D 3 copied it all
(12:46:18 AM) octon: ripoff
(12:46:25 AM) octon: all d20 was palladium system
(12:46:30 AM) octon: too small to sue D&D