(12:00:26 AM) The topic for #gobolinux is: Latest tools are Compile 1.13.3 and Scripts 2.10.2 | Stable LiveCD is 014.01 | LiveCD snapshot is available

(12:00:26 AM) The topic for #gobolinux is: Latest tools are Compile 1.13.3 and Scripts 2.10.2 | Stable LiveCD is 014.01 | LiveCD snapshot is available at http://karlsson.sytes.net/gobo/015/iso/GoboLinux-20100214.iso
(12:00:40 AM) shevy: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/2011-April/008635.html
(12:00:46 AM) shevy: well I would scratch 015
(12:00:50 AM) shevy: go make a radical change
(12:00:53 AM) shevy: and even if there are glitches
(12:01:14 AM) shevy: but I think 013 was the best release
(12:01:40 AM) shevy: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/2011-July/008662.html
(12:01:46 AM) shevy: wonder if my scripts could help him :)
(12:02:06 AM) shevy: oh
(12:02:09 AM) shevy: he solved it already lol
(12:02:11 AM) shevy: "Ah, the problem is solved: I should install the CoreUtils!"
(12:02:25 AM) fowl_mouth: the coreutils!
(12:02:44 AM) shevy: ok
(12:02:47 AM) fowl_mouth: i used 013
(12:02:48 AM) shevy: lucas is still active:
(12:02:49 AM) shevy: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-devel/2011-June/004298.html
(12:03:05 AM) shevy: so both hisham and lucas are still about, but less active nowadays
(12:03:32 AM) shevy: here is hishams's message about ViewFS:
(12:03:33 AM) shevy: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-devel/2010-November/004275.html
(12:03:45 AM) shevy: "I know I've been MIA for a good while now -- I've been mostly focused
(12:03:45 AM) shevy: on other stuff and haven't had the time to work on GoboLinux"
(12:04:11 AM) fowl_mouth: http://hisham.hm/category/en_us/
(12:04:51 AM) shevy: and he also twitters:
(12:04:52 AM) shevy: http://twitter.com/#!/hisham_hm
(12:05:17 AM) shevy: fowl_mouth, I think one reason why 015 was delayed was because of the compilings being a lot of work
(12:05:26 AM) flavius: :)
(12:05:34 AM) fowl_mouth: i would leave that entirely to the user
(12:06:09 AM) fowl_mouth: but maybe im biased towards gentoo, i like the install process
(12:06:20 AM) flavius: gentoo?
(12:06:24 AM) flavius: people still install it?
(12:06:38 AM) shevy: well a distributed gobolinux would be nice... like very gobolinux user would register somewhere
(12:06:40 AM) fowl_mouth: gentoo? i thnk so
(12:06:44 AM) shevy: *every
(12:07:00 AM) shevy: archlinux got popular lately in the last 2 years
(12:07:18 AM) fowl_mouth: what percentage of normal linux user use irc
(12:07:45 AM) shevy: hmm
(12:07:48 AM) shevy: 20%
(12:07:59 AM) shevy: but
(12:08:04 AM) fowl_mouth: and the rest, if they check the dead mailing lists or the dead forums will probably say oh thas neat, /programs, filesystem is package manager cool too bad nobody uses it anymore
(12:08:11 AM) shevy: if you include ICQ/AIM/MSN for like pidging, I think the number goes up to 80%
(12:08:15 AM) shevy: *pidgin
(12:08:24 AM) shevy: :(
(12:08:36 AM) shevy: but in 013 times
(12:08:39 AM) shevy: we did not need a forum
(12:08:56 AM) shevy: we didnt even have a wiki lol
(12:09:12 AM) shevy: I CAN REMEMBER IT ALL STILL fowl_mouth !!!
(12:09:21 AM) shevy: things were better!
(12:09:35 AM) fowl_mouth: lol
(12:09:42 AM) fowl_mouth: the creators abandoned us :(
(12:10:59 AM) fowl_mouth: when RBT is stable maybe we could get a post on gobo.org and push it up to osnews/distrowatch
(12:11:51 AM) flavius: been archlnux user for 5 years
(12:11:57 AM) flavius: its best os in world bar none
(12:12:12 AM) shevy: I still have one goal ... to replace all Gobolinux scripts with RBT ... but there are some missing things and some bugs... who knows when this goal will be achieved
(12:12:33 AM) shevy: yeah on IRC many use archlinux
(12:12:36 AM) shevy: and recommend it
(12:12:44 AM) shevy: but I dont know... it seems mostly build just around pacman
(12:12:49 AM) shevy: what else is there about it? :(
(12:13:04 AM) shevy: okok in the year 2011 I am happy if things work anyway ;)
(12:13:08 AM) shevy: BUT WHERE ARE THE COOL IDEAS!
(12:13:16 AM) fowl_mouth: most valuable thing an os can have is support
(12:13:23 AM) fowl_mouth: free support*
(12:13:31 AM) fowl_mouth: yes free support for all my comrades
(12:13:46 AM) shevy: hehe
(12:14:12 AM) fowl_mouth: when am i going to have a phone that looks like a thin piece of glass
(12:14:21 AM) fowl_mouth: and iron man suits
(12:15:05 AM) fowl_mouth: my friend and i had a serious conversation about keeping someone alive in suspended animation lol
(12:15:38 AM) shevy: hmm
(12:15:54 AM) shevy: suspended animation?
(12:16:14 AM) fowl_mouth: yeah like cryogenics
(12:17:58 AM) shevy: aaaaah
(12:18:10 AM) shevy: eternal life!
(12:18:29 AM) shevy: that's also on my todo list
(12:18:31 AM) shevy: but another one
(12:18:46 AM) shevy: I need to implement and realize my ideas before I die
(12:19:27 AM) fowl_mouth: aka "finish your software" or more to it then that?
(12:21:52 AM) shevy: hehe
(12:22:24 AM) shevy: well finishing software stuff... is permanently ongoing ...
(12:22:32 AM) shevy: but it is more about the IDEAS
(12:22:45 AM) shevy: for instance why do living beings die
(12:23:01 AM) flavius: just do 1 set fo bench chin curl leg press daily
(12:23:05 AM) flavius: max intensity
(12:23:12 AM) shevy: but you won't reach 200 years that way
(12:23:18 AM) flavius: well
(12:23:21 AM) flavius: no one will
(12:23:23 AM) flavius: ;)
(12:23:27 AM) shevy: right now, true!
(12:23:33 AM) shevy: but what about in 100 years
(12:23:42 AM) flavius: in 100 years ww3 kill everyone
(12:23:43 AM) shevy: it is a problem which can have a solution
(12:23:48 AM) shevy: :(
(12:23:51 AM) shevy: may be right
(12:23:54 AM) shevy: but I am an optimist
(12:24:15 AM) shevy: and
(12:24:21 AM) shevy: I don't think a ww3 will kill everyone
(12:25:00 AM) shevy: you would need some global change for that
(12:25:09 AM) shevy: like arctic everywhere on earth
(12:28:02 AM) fowl_mouth: dont you watch movies?
(12:28:03 AM) fowl_mouth: its coming!
(12:29:58 AM) flavius: well if we switch to nuclear power==>electric cars/trains/airplanes then energy solved, esp with new low dirty output nuclear plant, then mass produce housing, develop wind+solar power
(12:30:27 AM) flavius: science solves everthing but political problem of large % of non producers
(12:30:28 AM) flavius: lame
(12:30:33 AM) flavius: pensions should all go
(12:30:37 AM) flavius: as should unemployment
(12:30:41 AM) flavius: and non science school
(12:30:46 AM) flavius: also make school all videos
(12:31:13 AM) fowl_mouth: you cant just take pensions away lol
(12:31:27 AM) fowl_mouth: at least not in america
(12:31:47 AM) shevy: not only political
(12:31:56 AM) shevy: there is a lot of money in it
(12:32:11 AM) flavius: sure u can
(12:32:15 AM) flavius: end em
(12:32:17 AM) flavius: all
(12:32:18 AM) flavius: :)
(12:32:22 AM) flavius: work or starve
(12:32:25 AM) shevy: but it is a contract
(12:32:28 AM) flavius: tax land not income
(12:32:28 AM) shevy: they paid taxes
(12:32:35 AM) flavius: geoism is very intereesting economic theory
(12:32:36 AM) shevy: they should get a refund, else you would steal from them
(12:32:42 AM) flavius: land=someone getting rent sitting on ass
(12:32:44 AM) flavius: thats no good
(12:32:47 AM) flavius: no
(12:32:55 AM) flavius: thier paycheck compensates them for work
(12:33:00 AM) flavius: pension is just bs
(12:33:04 AM) flavius: comes from tax payer
(12:33:07 AM) flavius: production
(12:33:11 AM) flavius: no produce no pay
(12:33:18 AM) shevy: ok I don't know where it is but those who established the system initially paid taxes into the system
(12:33:42 AM) shevy: you cant expect from a 60 year old to start from zero
(12:33:48 AM) shevy: in 20 years he'll be dead or crippled :P
(12:33:55 AM) shevy: or "physically impaired"
(12:34:32 AM) shevy: we should all enter politics
(12:34:34 AM) shevy: get bribes
(12:34:36 AM) shevy: get rich
(12:34:38 AM) shevy: then quit
(12:34:39 AM) shevy: :)
(12:35:06 AM) fowl_mouth: nah im too lazy for that
(12:35:52 AM) flavius: why not
(12:35:55 AM) flavius: he shoulda saved
(12:35:56 AM) flavius: :)
(12:36:09 AM) flavius: u dont jsut spend all your $$ and expect taxpayers to get soaked for u
(12:36:12 AM) flavius: fucking union fucks
(12:36:33 AM) fowl_mouth: lol
(12:36:50 AM) fowl_mouth: if the whole country's work force was set up that way it would probably prosper
(12:37:10 AM) flavius: take all $$ from phd education and admins
(12:37:12 AM) flavius: fire all them
(12:37:19 AM) flavius: give lil to ease o pensions in 4 years
(12:37:22 AM) flavius: then gone
(12:37:24 AM) flavius: economy take off
(12:37:28 AM) flavius: end school
(12:37:32 AM) flavius: vid tape taachers
(12:37:35 AM) flavius: upload vids
(12:37:39 AM) flavius: then have test
(12:37:43 AM) flavius: maybe science lab
(12:37:49 AM) fowl_mouth: thats what students need
(12:37:49 AM) flavius: but honestly most labs are useless
(12:37:55 AM) flavius: going movies=phd
(12:37:57 AM) fowl_mouth: cold interaction through the eyes of a tv
(12:37:59 AM) flavius: miss a class?
(12:38:04 AM) flavius: no problem rewatch movie
(12:38:06 AM) flavius: :)
(12:38:10 AM) flavius: vid tape BEST in world
(12:38:21 AM) flavius: education=restricive research monopoly
(12:38:31 AM) flavius: allow common man to reaserach=more innovation
(12:38:36 AM) flavius: hell look at linux
(12:38:40 AM) flavius: corp n governmetn cant
(12:39:14 AM) fowl_mouth: well malaysia is rioting
(12:39:53 AM) shevy: but linux sucks too
(12:39:58 AM) shevy: all the GUI things on linux
(12:40:02 AM) shevy: the www is killing them all
(12:40:06 AM) fowl_mouth: heres your chance to mobilize a country into prosperity, maybe they'll even rename it flaviusland just for you :D
(12:40:15 AM) shevy: hahaha
(12:40:24 AM) shevy: flavius, if you get your land, can I visit you
(12:41:11 AM) flavius: sure
(12:41:21 AM) fowl_mouth: me too
(12:41:32 AM) flavius: I shall call it Sharon
(12:41:34 AM) fowl_mouth: i want to grow fields of marijuana uninterrupted
(12:41:41 AM) flavius: no problem
(12:41:53 AM) fowl_mouth: you're a saint :)
(12:42:16 AM) flavius: demigods in D&D were not quite gods, yes more like a saint
(12:42:57 AM) shevy: lol
(12:43:16 AM) fowl_mouth: haa dnd nerd
(12:43:25 AM) shevy: I was one too years ago
(12:43:41 AM) shevy: but a friend passed away ~4 years ago and the old group disbanded eventually
(12:45:03 AM) flavius: im in south bay los angeles
(12:45:13 AM) flavius: goodamn gamers all in liek valley n pasadena miles away
(12:45:19 AM) flavius: meetup charges for registration
(12:45:20 AM) flavius: LAME
(12:45:30 AM) flavius: frigging bulletin board easiest app ever
(12:45:33 AM) flavius: anyhow
(12:45:41 AM) flavius: no one gmaing her ein sothbay
(12:45:42 AM) flavius: sux
(12:45:49 AM) flavius: I bought tunnel n trols game
(12:45:51 AM) flavius: for the art
(12:45:53 AM) fowl_mouth: shevy: does ncurses gem compile for you?
(12:46:02 AM) flavius: got copy palladium fantasy rpg EPIK
(12:46:10 AM) fowl_mouth: lol
(12:46:13 AM) flavius: best rpg ever d&D 3 copied it all
(12:46:18 AM) flavius: ripoff
(12:46:25 AM) flavius: all d20 was palladium system
(12:46:30 AM) flavius: too small to sue D&D
(12:47:49 AM) shevy: fowl_mouth hmm i dont really use gems but let me check
(12:48:12 AM) flavius: avoid ruby
(12:48:13 AM) shevy: is it from there ? http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=273
(12:48:13 AM) flavius: use tcl
(12:48:16 AM) flavius: and aolserver
(12:48:19 AM) shevy: lol
(12:48:19 AM) flavius: with firebird db
(12:48:29 AM) shevy: tcl syntax i HATE
(12:49:09 AM) fowl_mouth: http://rubygems.org/gems/ncurses
(12:49:27 AM) flavius: chicken scheme
(12:50:09 AM) shevy: 'ruby extconf.rb;make;make install' <-- worked for me just now
(12:50:42 AM) shevy: yes
(12:50:44 AM) shevy: also worked for me
(12:51:20 AM) shevy: http://pastie.org/2195537
(12:51:28 AM) fowl_mouth: its not linking to ncurses for me weird
(12:51:36 AM) shevy: http://pastie.org/pastes/2195537/text
(12:51:50 AM) shevy: my curses libs are: libncurses.so.5 libncurses.so.5.6 libncursesw.so.5 libncursesw.so.5.6
(12:54:40 AM) fowl_mouth: weird that you have the wide encodings its defaulted off in the recipe
(12:56:53 AM) flavius: are u using ruby or gobo for this crap?
(12:57:00 AM) flavius: I would in msot cases go with rubys own crap
(12:57:01 AM) fowl_mouth: shevy: will ya hurry up and get rbt on github already lol
(12:57:05 AM) flavius: like perl it is its own os
(12:57:14 AM) flavius: I got perl 5.14.1 compiled up on cygwin
(12:57:17 AM) flavius: hilarious
(12:57:21 AM) flavius: cpanp nice
(12:57:29 AM) flavius: cpanm better but shitty interface
(12:57:36 AM) flavius: 5x faster
(12:57:46 AM) flavius: cpanp easy query which package need upgrade
(12:57:49 AM) flavius: heh
(12:57:53 AM) flavius: i fuckign hate perl
(12:57:55 AM) flavius: love tcl
(12:57:58 AM) fowl_mouth: perl sucks bro
(12:58:00 AM) fowl_mouth: tcl sucks too
(12:58:01 AM) flavius: tcl uses tcl to install tcllib
(12:58:05 AM) flavius: now isnt that nice n logical?
(12:58:10 AM) fowl_mouth: sure
(12:58:11 AM) flavius: no ruby sucks
(12:58:17 AM) flavius: oo is the roman numerals fo computing
(12:58:27 AM) flavius: and aolserver is FAST
(12:58:33 AM) flavius: nginx limited to 1 cpu
(12:58:38 AM) fowl_mouth: lol
(12:58:41 AM) flavius: aolserver threaded uses all cu automatic
(12:58:46 AM) flavius: cpu
(12:58:51 AM) fowl_mouth: you're the guy who just repeats things he reads on the internet without understanding
(12:59:12 AM) fowl_mouth: nobody uses tcl seriously anymore
(1:00:15 AM) flavius: are you kidding?
(1:00:22 AM) flavius: I use tcl and its 100x easier than perl
(1:00:29 AM) fowl_mouth: i dont doubt that
(1:00:34 AM) fowl_mouth: ive used tcl before
(1:00:34 AM) flavius: I am unix GOD
(1:00:43 AM) flavius: 85/hour consultant with own corp
(1:00:46 AM) flavius: 100k in bank
(1:00:53 AM) shevy: fowl_mouth I am still replacing HSS
(1:00:57 AM) flavius: I could write book on comparative operating systems
(1:00:57 AM) shevy: i finally have it moved to my config
(1:01:10 AM) flavius: used all bsd open and reg solaris
(1:01:13 AM) shevy: hash_directory_structure:
(1:01:13 AM) flavius: 20 linuxes
(1:01:14 AM) shevy: COOKBOOK_DIRECTORY : $COOKBOOK_DIRECTORY
(1:01:14 AM) shevy: REAL_COOKBOOK_DIRECTORY : $REAL_COOKBOOK_DIRECTORY
(1:01:24 AM) flavius: ever goto cat-v.org
(1:01:27 AM) shevy: when it has a $ it uses the ENV variable
(1:01:34 AM) shevy: others you can specify it like
(1:01:40 AM) flavius: I know why I dont agree with author on certain things
(1:01:47 AM) flavius: I had forthOs and plan9 running
(1:01:49 AM) shevy: COOKBOOK_DIRECTORY : "/System/SomeDir/"
(1:01:51 AM) flavius: lost patience with em
(1:01:58 AM) shevy: but it is not flexible enough yet
(1:02:05 AM) flavius: tcl is just AWESOME
(1:02:08 AM) fowl_mouth: whats the difference in coookbook_dir and real_cookbook_dir
(1:02:35 AM) shevy: lol
(1:02:41 AM) shevy: good question, let me try to remember
(1:02:45 AM) shevy: oh right!
(1:02:49 AM) shevy: a historic reason
(1:02:59 AM) shevy: first, i had all cookbooks in the same dir
(1:03:13 AM) fowl_mouth: meh
(1:03:21 AM) shevy: i explain
(1:03:27 AM) shevy: my COOKBOOK_DIRECTORY right now has this:
(1:03:28 AM) shevy: ALL_COOKBOOKS
(1:03:28 AM) shevy: cookbook_aliases.yml
(1:03:28 AM) shevy: cookbook_chained_programs.yml
(1:03:28 AM) shevy: COOKBOOK_CONVENTIONS
(1:03:28 AM) shevy: registered_cookbook_entries.yml
(1:03:45 AM) shevy: ALL_COOKBOOKS/ is a directory with all .yml files for the cookbooks
(1:03:51 AM) shevy: not a really clever solution
(1:03:57 AM) shevy: hence, historic :)
(1:04:10 AM) shevy: oh...
(1:04:19 AM) shevy: you will probably need cookbook_chained_programs.yml to do chained compilation
(1:04:27 AM) shevy: man
(1:04:30 AM) shevy: this is all a mess
(1:04:33 AM) fowl_mouth: lol
(1:04:50 AM) shevy: i think I will move all cookbooks into RBT
(1:04:59 AM) shevy: then I can package it all together anyway
(1:05:40 AM) fowl_mouth: putting ALL_COOKBOOKS into rbt's base dir?
(1:06:09 AM) shevy: into the YAML/ directory there perhaps
(1:07:07 AM) fowl_mouth: dont do that YAML/ is for config
(1:07:33 AM) fowl_mouth: all those files that you just listed can just be put in all_cookbooks
(1:07:47 AM) shevy: yeah
(1:08:22 AM) fowl_mouth: im not sure where you want to set up those, i dont know where gobo keeps it recipe index
(1:08:22 AM) shevy: well, one thing after the other ... almost finished removing HSS and making things work again
(1:08:30 AM) shevy: let me look
(1:08:41 AM) fowl_mouth: maybe /Programs/RBT/Cookbooks
(1:08:57 AM) shevy: I think gobo keeps it at /Files/Compile/Archives
(1:09:13 AM) shevy: hmm wait... automatic recipes go into
(1:09:14 AM) flavius: wtf are cookbook entries?
(1:09:14 AM) shevy: /Files/Compile/Store
(1:09:19 AM) flavius: rby coockbook?
(1:09:27 AM) shevy: flavius just collected "recipes" into one file
(1:09:38 AM) flavius: oh how nice
(1:09:41 AM) fowl_mouth: flavius: http://code.google.com/p/ruby-build-tools/
(1:09:41 AM) flavius: does icewm compile?
(1:09:47 AM) flavius: I couldnt get it working
(1:09:50 AM) shevy: I cant check yet lol
(1:09:51 AM) flavius: last time I tried gobo
(1:09:56 AM) shevy: i broke my RBT ;P
(1:09:57 AM) flavius: also how get gobo to isntall from usb?
(1:09:58 AM) fowl_mouth: flavius: you are the king of linux
(1:10:06 AM) flavius: I know but time is limited
(1:10:14 AM) flavius: I am king of my own world sharon
(1:10:17 AM) shevy: flavius if it boots from USB then it should install...
(1:10:18 AM) fowl_mouth: i guess you take 014.01 and put it on a usb?
(1:10:21 AM) flavius: right
(1:10:27 AM) fowl_mouth: shouldnt be that hard
(1:10:37 AM) flavius: is there ez hwoto on howto get gobo usb image onto usb stock from winblows?
(1:10:42 AM) flavius: oh i know not hard
(1:10:46 AM) flavius: jsut annoying to go hack up
(1:10:50 AM) fowl_mouth: look on ubuntu's website
(1:10:54 AM) shevy: oh
(1:10:58 AM) fowl_mouth: wait you want unetbootin
(1:10:59 AM) fowl_mouth: i think
(1:10:59 AM) shevy: are you guys on 32bit or on 64bit ?
(1:11:09 AM) shevy: i am on 64
(1:11:15 AM) fowl_mouth: im on 64 on this pc
(1:11:19 AM) fowl_mouth: gobo is on 32
(1:11:32 AM) shevy: oh man
(1:11:34 AM) shevy: i miss 32 :(
(1:11:55 AM) fowl_mouth: give it 3 or 4 years lol
(1:12:11 AM) fowl_mouth: everyone will be upgrading to 128 for no_fucking_reason
(1:12:56 AM) flavius: well pc i run linux is 2g ram
(1:12:57 AM) flavius: so 32
(1:13:01 AM) flavius: :)
(1:13:27 AM) flavius: whats interesting is openbsd has file called bsd.rd
(1:13:32 AM) flavius: as long as recognize device
(1:13:43 AM) flavius: boot /dev/wa:/bsd.rd
(1:13:48 AM) flavius: and net installer starts
(1:13:51 AM) flavius: kinda cool
(1:13:56 AM) shevy: hmm
(1:14:03 AM) shevy: but a net installer ... isn't usb installer
(1:14:13 AM) shevy: usb is cool
(1:14:15 AM) flavius: well usb stick--->usb port
(1:14:18 AM) shevy: and flashdrives
(1:14:19 AM) flavius: once start installer
(1:14:22 AM) flavius: puills rest from net
(1:14:25 AM) flavius: install to big hd
(1:14:27 AM) flavius: not usb
(1:14:31 AM) flavius: reboot removing usb stick
(1:14:32 AM) fowl_mouth: flavius: im fairly certain you could use RBT and probably even gobo's tools in bsd
(1:14:33 AM) flavius: done
(1:14:43 AM) flavius: well should be a recipie
(1:14:48 AM) flavius: on your wiki
(1:14:57 AM) flavius: make life ez for explorer liek me
(1:15:01 AM) flavius: :)
(1:15:06 AM) shevy: :D
(1:15:10 AM) fowl_mouth: a recipe to do what
(1:15:15 AM) shevy: well that is the point of computer programs
(1:15:18 AM) flavius: mainly cuz damn pc I got cd is fried
(1:15:19 AM) flavius: :(
(1:15:20 AM) shevy: they should make the life of HUMAN BEINGS easier
(1:15:37 AM) flavius: and fucking bios woint see external dvd I attach
(1:15:43 AM) flavius: cocksuckign pios
(1:15:46 AM) flavius: pos
(1:15:52 AM) flavius: so im stuck using usb
(1:16:01 AM) flavius: which archlinux has nice howto
(1:16:02 AM) flavius: hmm
(1:16:06 AM) flavius: maybe ill steal archs ideas
(1:16:52 AM) fowl_mouth: unetbootin
(1:17:04 AM) fowl_mouth: theres a bin for windows
(1:17:05 AM) flavius: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners'_Guide#.2Anix_Method ah here we are
(1:17:12 AM) flavius: yeah that sha tfor me last month
(1:17:15 AM) flavius: arch one i know works
(1:17:18 AM) flavius: shat-
(1:17:22 AM) fowl_mouth: oh yes dd
(1:17:27 AM) flavius: oops
(1:17:30 AM) flavius: windows right below
(1:17:30 AM) fowl_mouth: lmao
(1:17:36 AM) fowl_mouth: "arch one i know works"
(1:17:44 AM) flavius: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners'_Guide#Microsoft_Windows_Method
(1:17:45 AM) fowl_mouth: what a fanboy
(1:17:54 AM) flavius: the fact you used word fanboy
(1:18:02 AM) flavius: means you are not an independant thinker
(1:18:05 AM) flavius: lame
(1:18:19 AM) flavius: archlinux I KNOW is best os from personal tests
(1:18:24 AM) flavius: and I can list why
(1:18:29 AM) flavius: if you care to be bored
(1:18:51 AM) flavius: let me say I smashed 10 solaris admins to bits on nexenta channel reaffirming my reasoning
(1:18:59 AM) flavius: a slimy breed
(1:19:21 AM) flavius: I know because same pc is now running arch installed FROM the usb stick sitting HERE
(1:19:22 AM) fowl_mouth: i dont much care
(1:19:27 AM) flavius: good
(1:19:30 AM) fowl_mouth: thats super cool
(1:19:39 AM) flavius: super pwoerful
(1:20:00 AM) shevy: archlinux is nice
(1:20:11 AM) shevy: I remember 3 years ago I just set up basic install of it
(1:20:18 AM) shevy: then compiled everything including xorg
(1:20:18 AM) shevy: :)
(1:20:26 AM) shevy: only goblinux was more fun
(1:20:33 AM) shevy: *gobolinux
(1:20:39 AM) flavius: gobolinux is quite interesting
(1:20:41 AM) flavius: but buggy
(1:20:43 AM) shevy: but i love the clean idea behind it... everything into one directory
(1:20:47 AM) shevy: yea
(1:20:55 AM) flavius: I was finished th epost install of compiling all the tools
(1:21:01 AM) flavius: then tried to compile icewm
(1:21:08 AM) flavius: boom ended up stuck
(1:21:23 AM) flavius: gobo is one os I find curiously intereting
(1:21:26 AM) flavius: after a long time
(1:21:31 AM) shevy: hmm
(1:21:36 AM) shevy: did you try to compile something else?
(1:21:37 AM) flavius: netbsd archlinux and openbsd being the others
(1:21:46 AM) flavius: I think I went with jwm
(1:21:51 AM) flavius: which is very close
(1:22:00 AM) flavius: but not quite as nice as icewm
(1:22:07 AM) shevy: I never got into the *BSD
(1:22:13 AM) flavius: I asked forth progrmmers to make a iceWM in 1./25th code to show off forth
(1:22:17 AM) flavius: no one stepped up
(1:22:29 AM) flavius: netbsd I think is most under rated os ever
(1:22:40 AM) flavius: esp since thier new sceduler apparently outperforms freebsd
(1:23:47 AM) shevy: hmm
(1:23:53 AM) shevy: I don't know with all the BSDs
(1:24:05 AM) shevy: oh
(1:24:08 AM) shevy: except PC-BSD
(1:24:21 AM) shevy: but that is FreeBSD actually
(1:25:02 AM) shevy: http://wiki.pcbsd.org/index.php/PBI_Manager#What_is_the_PBI_format.3F
(1:25:41 AM) shevy: "The PBI format tries to correct the underlying flaw in this system for desktop computing. Rather than making every application a part of your base system, PBI's are self-contained, including their own dependent library tree and related data. "
(1:25:44 AM) shevy: ^^^ LIKE GOBOLINUX!!!
(1:26:26 AM) shevy: unfortunately
(1:26:29 AM) shevy: they still retain the FHS
(1:26:35 AM) fowl_mouth: how?
(1:26:37 AM) shevy: /usr/pbi - Where PBIs are installed on the system
(1:26:43 AM) shevy: /var/db/pbi - Data files related to installed PBIs, Repositories and more.
(1:26:45 AM) shevy: well gobo does too
(1:26:49 AM) shevy: but uses gobohide to hide it
(1:26:59 AM) fowl_mouth: how do they do it though
(1:27:04 AM) shevy: /usr/local/etc/pbi.conf - location of the PBI Manager configuration file
(1:27:12 AM) shevy: well they split things into all these odd paths
(1:27:15 AM) fowl_mouth: they either symlink or copy things to /usr/local then?
(1:27:24 AM) shevy: ah you mean how they make the PBI work
(1:27:31 AM) shevy: good question, I don't know actually :(
(1:27:53 AM) shevy: right now... I say ... via magic
(1:28:06 AM) fowl_mouth: if it just linked things into /usr/local and let /bin etc alone i can see it working i guess
(1:28:29 AM) shevy: you are right hmm
(1:28:32 AM) shevy: I am going to ask
(1:28:53 AM) fowl_mouth: if BSD follows FHS then gobo/rbt should run fine on it
(1:29:06 AM) fowl_mouth: maybe we should switch to bsd :p
(1:29:33 AM) shevy: hehehe
(1:29:41 AM) shevy: well
(1:29:45 AM) shevy: at least PC-BSD has the right ideas
(1:29:56 AM) flavius: fuck users
(1:30:04 AM) flavius: basic desktop liek ice
(1:30:13 AM) flavius: let em open command lien and type app& [enter]
(1:30:16 AM) flavius: then use app
(1:30:25 AM) flavius: app desktop integation total waste of time
(1:30:58 AM) flavius: show users can have file to open favorite 10 apps that way with one enter, and they shut up
(1:30:59 AM) fowl_mouth: your ideology only works to serve you
(1:31:11 AM) flavius: end all pensions too
(1:31:21 AM) fowl_mouth: the majority of people on the internet, computers, phones, are not developers
(1:31:30 AM) flavius: once user has pidgin chat up and firefox on nice basic desktop done dada
(1:31:32 AM) flavius: they fine
(1:31:33 AM) flavius: :)
(1:31:34 AM) fowl_mouth: most people just go to youtube and read their emails and facebook
(1:31:40 AM) flavius: yep
(1:31:42 AM) flavius: exactly
(1:31:45 AM) flavius: broswer is 99%
(1:31:52 AM) flavius: hek could skip pidgin and use meebo.com
(1:31:58 AM) flavius: but pidgin si so nice
(1:33:07 AM) shevy: well
(1:33:16 AM) shevy: the browser really became very important...
(1:33:27 AM) shevy: I recently switched my 8 years old email to gmail too ...
(1:33:54 AM) shevy: and people do crazy things with javascript
(1:34:28 AM) fowl_mouth: linux.js
(1:37:08 AM) shevy: yeah
(1:37:19 AM) shevy: http://bellard.org/jslinux/
(1:37:21 AM) shevy: damn crazy
(1:38:49 AM) flavius: gmail barf
(1:38:57 AM) flavius: fastmail.fm
(1:39:01 AM) flavius: is where its at
(1:39:26 AM) flavius: I recently learned basic html
(1:39:27 AM) flavius: wow
(1:39:34 AM) flavius: all blog shit throw away
(1:39:39 AM) flavius: includiong wordpress garbage
(1:39:46 AM) flavius: just use 3 tags
(1:39:58 AM) flavius: img a and pre
(1:40:02 AM) flavius: done
(1:40:20 AM) shevy: lol
(1:40:30 AM) shevy: hmm
(1:40:38 AM) shevy: i currently let ruby generate the html for me
(1:41:03 AM) fowl_mouth: lol
(1:42:46 AM) flavius: sure I let bash do same for me
(1:42:51 AM) flavius: if I need to at all
(1:42:58 AM) flavius: I mean 3 tags so dirt simple
(1:43:06 AM) flavius: and pages so fast to laod when that simple
(1:43:08 AM) flavius: just awesome
(1:43:25 AM) flavius: I really dont need even bash for most pages
(1:43:42 AM) flavius: sounds like youoverdoing it if need ruby to gen pages
(1:43:59 AM) flavius: unless you actually have file upload or dynamic content
(1:44:03 AM) shevy: but I would never write html or xml
(1:44:04 AM) flavius: I was talking just about blog
(1:44:09 AM) flavius: xml yuck
(1:44:12 AM) flavius: only tools use xml
(1:44:33 AM) shevy: and somewhere I need to store the data
(1:49:18 AM) flavius: I think a lot fo web designers forget that a web page should be 1 page
(1:49:27 AM) flavius: they have all these scrolling pages which suck
(1:49:33 AM) flavius: you should jump from page to page
(1:49:38 AM) flavius: and page should be light as feather
(1:49:42 AM) flavius: so quick loading
(1:49:44 AM) flavius: :)
(1:50:11 AM) shevy: but they want to put more and more info into their page
(1:50:15 AM) shevy: so the page get bigger
(1:50:18 AM) shevy: as the years pass by!
(1:51:51 AM) shevy: no reply from #pcbsd
(1:51:52 AM) shevy: :(
(1:51:58 AM) shevy: hey flavius
(1:52:02 AM) shevy: don't you want to install pcbsd ;)
(1:53:18 AM) fowl_mouth: i might try it tomorrow in virtual box
(1:53:35 AM) fowl_mouth: i want to install dosbox too so i can play arena
(1:55:45 AM) flavius: pcbsd no no
(1:55:50 AM) flavius: useless abstractions over bsd
(1:55:56 AM) flavius: use freebsd 8.2 with icewm
(1:56:04 AM) flavius: or netbsd dragonfly open etc
(1:56:07 AM) flavius: with icewm
(1:56:21 AM) flavius: I have archlinux now with icewm pidgin and vlc
(1:56:23 AM) flavius: very nice
(1:56:30 AM) flavius: netbsd lame no vlc in binary
(1:56:33 AM) flavius: pkgsrc
(1:56:35 AM) flavius: bleh
(1:56:38 AM) flavius: on i386 no less
(1:56:41 AM) flavius: get better
(1:56:47 AM) flavius: but netbsd os is very powerful
(1:56:55 AM) flavius: yeah
(1:56:57 AM) flavius: bad trend
(1:57:04 AM) flavius: html=best 1page fo info with links to next
(1:57:06 AM) flavius: much better
(2:00:36 AM) flavius: gobo be fun
(2:00:46 AM) flavius: scared apps wont install tho :(
(2:04:17 AM) flavius: like postgresql for example
(2:04:19 AM) flavius: hmm
(2:04:21 AM) flavius: 9.1
(2:04:41 AM) flavius: er 9.0.4
(2:04:45 AM) shevy: ok going to bed now, I should release a better RBT when I wake up. laters.
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(3:31:46 AM) flavius: :)
(3:31:54 AM) flavius: 1 file all recipies?
(3:31:57 AM) flavius: good man
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