Thursday, December 31, 2009
obama makes worst of 2009 with the beer summit!
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/30/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5199304.shtml?tag=stack
Harvard professor, who has shall we say "a great tan" locks himself outa house without id, cop comes up, questions him, he screams and act liek a baboon, cop restrains him, and obama says something, well how shall we say, that will lose votes? So obama has both over for a beer to white house to smoothe things over! and to save face lol
mother of all demos Douglas C. Engelbart
http://designmind.frogdesign.com/blog/40th-anniversary-of-mother-of-all-demos.html
http://sloan.stanford.edu/MouseSite/1968Demo.html
http://sloan.stanford.edu/MouseSite/1968Demo.html
Wednesday, December 30, 2009
Bert Rutan was able to accomplish, on his own, something formerly done only by governments.
Citizen Jimserac
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On Dec 29, 5:31 am, Tamas K Papp wrote: > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:03:00 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > gavino wrote: > >> why is there not a lisp pc for under $300? > > There once were lisp machines, in the 1980s. Look up "lisp machine" in > > wikipedia for some interesting history. > I have a Dell laptop. It runs Lisp. That makes it a Lisp PC. NOT EVEN CLOSE!! Gavino has a point and implies something, I think, which I will try to extrapolate on. In the world of the future as we envisioned it in the 60's and early 70's, there would be hotels on the moon, intelligent HAL like computers and like science fiction staple advancements. In reality, while in the realm of computer hardware, such advances occured on time or even ahead of "schedule" many of the other things are not even close to happening. Why not? Some will say because the problems were far harder than originally understood. That is true up to a point, I agree. But there is much more - I believe the misappropriation and misapplication of government funds, the politicization of research, the dangerously subversive and unproductive influence of the lobbyists and the deliberate quelling of the American futuristic imagination and desire after the Vietnam war are some of the more real factors involved in the inequality between expectation and reality that actually happened. Likewise, if the organizational difficulties endured by Dr. Schelter were any example, the entire foundations of research and development infrastructure in this country need to be seriously rebuilt if we are ever to hope to return to the post Sputnik era of high developement attainments over relatively short periods of time. The obstructions ... and obstructors are many. Observe the appalling mismanagement at NASA and the obvious directions of the future when Bert Rutan was able to accomplish, on his own, something formerly done only by governments. The prize was a measly million dollars. One wonders what he could have accomplished with $20 million or 50 million - large sums of money but a pittance to the budget. I think it was only recently that the software involved in the LEM guidance was released to the public domain, something that properly should have been done decades ago. AND, TONS of code and research remain locked up by NASA and subcontractors that, although declassified, requires $$$ to obtain. Inexcusable since much of it was written on the taxpayers own tab. Observe the appalling waste of money on cancer "research" - yes some breakthroughs over the years, even major ones, but how much of that money is being wasted, one wonders, on barking up the wrong tree in the wrong forest for the wrong reasons. See "The Secret History of the War on Cancer" by Davis for details. Think of the impact that freely available Lisp Machine and Symbolics type software would have on these activities! Citizen Jimserac
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From: Citizen Jimserac
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:59:25 -0800 (PST)
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On Dec 29, 5:31 am, Tamas K Papp wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:03:00 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > gavino wrote:
> >> why is there not a lisp pc for under $300?
> > There once were lisp machines, in the 1980s. Look up "lisp machine" in
> > wikipedia for some interesting history.
> I have a Dell laptop. It runs Lisp. That makes it a Lisp PC.
NOT EVEN CLOSE!!
Gavino has a point and implies something, I think, which I will try to
extrapolate on.
In the world of the future as we envisioned it in the 60's and early
70's, there would be hotels on the moon, intelligent HAL like
computers and like science fiction staple advancements.
In reality, while in the realm of computer hardware, such advances
occured on time or even ahead of "schedule" many of the other things
are not even close to happening. Why not?
Some will say because the problems were far harder than originally
understood. That is true up to a point, I agree.
But there is much more - I believe the misappropriation and
misapplication of government funds, the politicization of research,
the dangerously subversive and unproductive influence of the lobbyists
and the deliberate quelling of the American futuristic imagination and
desire after the Vietnam war are some of the more real factors
involved in the inequality between expectation and reality that
actually happened. Likewise, if the organizational difficulties
endured by Dr. Schelter were any example, the entire foundations of
research and development infrastructure in this country need to be
seriously rebuilt if we are ever to hope to return to the post
Sputnik era of high developement attainments over relatively short
periods of time. The obstructions ... and obstructors are many.
Observe the appalling mismanagement at NASA and the obvious directions
of the future when Bert Rutan was able to accomplish, on his own,
something formerly done only by governments. The prize was a measly
million dollars. One wonders what he could have accomplished with $20
million or 50 million - large sums of money but a pittance to the
budget.
I think it was only recently that the software involved in the LEM
guidance was released to the public domain, something that properly
should have been done decades ago. AND, TONS of code and research
remain locked up by NASA and subcontractors that, although
declassified, requires $$$ to obtain. Inexcusable since much of it
was written on the taxpayers own tab.
Observe the appalling waste of money on cancer "research" - yes some
breakthroughs over the years, even major ones, but how much of that
money is being wasted, one wonders, on barking up the wrong tree in
the wrong forest for the wrong reasons. See "The Secret History of
the War on Cancer" by Davis for details.
Think of the impact that freely available Lisp Machine and Symbolics
type software would have on these activities!
Citizen Jimserac
View profile
On Dec 29, 5:31 am, Tamas K Papp
More options Dec 29, 12:59 pm
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
From: Citizen Jimserac
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:59:25 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Dec 29 2009 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: why is there not a lisp pc?
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On Dec 29, 5:31 am, Tamas K Papp
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:03:00 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > gavino
> >> why is there not a lisp pc for under $300?
> > There once were lisp machines, in the 1980s. Look up "lisp machine" in
> > wikipedia for some interesting history.
> I have a Dell laptop. It runs Lisp. That makes it a Lisp PC.
NOT EVEN CLOSE!!
Gavino has a point and implies something, I think, which I will try to
extrapolate on.
In the world of the future as we envisioned it in the 60's and early
70's, there would be hotels on the moon, intelligent HAL like
computers and like science fiction staple advancements.
In reality, while in the realm of computer hardware, such advances
occured on time or even ahead of "schedule" many of the other things
are not even close to happening. Why not?
Some will say because the problems were far harder than originally
understood. That is true up to a point, I agree.
But there is much more - I believe the misappropriation and
misapplication of government funds, the politicization of research,
the dangerously subversive and unproductive influence of the lobbyists
and the deliberate quelling of the American futuristic imagination and
desire after the Vietnam war are some of the more real factors
involved in the inequality between expectation and reality that
actually happened. Likewise, if the organizational difficulties
endured by Dr. Schelter were any example, the entire foundations of
research and development infrastructure in this country need to be
seriously rebuilt if we are ever to hope to return to the post
Sputnik era of high developement attainments over relatively short
periods of time. The obstructions ... and obstructors are many.
Observe the appalling mismanagement at NASA and the obvious directions
of the future when Bert Rutan was able to accomplish, on his own,
something formerly done only by governments. The prize was a measly
million dollars. One wonders what he could have accomplished with $20
million or 50 million - large sums of money but a pittance to the
budget.
I think it was only recently that the software involved in the LEM
guidance was released to the public domain, something that properly
should have been done decades ago. AND, TONS of code and research
remain locked up by NASA and subcontractors that, although
declassified, requires $$$ to obtain. Inexcusable since much of it
was written on the taxpayers own tab.
Observe the appalling waste of money on cancer "research" - yes some
breakthroughs over the years, even major ones, but how much of that
money is being wasted, one wonders, on barking up the wrong tree in
the wrong forest for the wrong reasons. See "The Secret History of
the War on Cancer" by Davis for details.
Think of the impact that freely available Lisp Machine and Symbolics
type software would have on these activities!
Citizen Jimserac
apl
You posted quite a few times in the comp.lang.apl newsgroup asking for
> a free APL interpreter.
>
> For private use and learning, just type in, glogan apl2, in google and
> download the APL for DOS 32 bit "demo" version. Download and try it.
> It turns out this is actually part of the famous APL/PC 1.02
> interpreter from IBM - the interpreter is fully functional unlike the
> crippled IBM TryAPL2 demo. Gives a 15Meg available workspace by
> default. If you run it on Linux in a dosbox, just adjust the wine
> memory parameter in winecfg and you can get more. Great for
> learning.
>
> Citizen Jimserac (James Pannozzi)
> a free APL interpreter.
>
> For private use and learning, just type in, glogan apl2, in google and
> download the APL for DOS 32 bit "demo" version. Download and try it.
> It turns out this is actually part of the famous APL/PC 1.02
> interpreter from IBM - the interpreter is fully functional unlike the
> crippled IBM TryAPL2 demo. Gives a 15Meg available workspace by
> default. If you run it on Linux in a dosbox, just adjust the wine
> memory parameter in winecfg and you can get more. Great for
> learning.
>
> Citizen Jimserac (James Pannozzi)
Tuesday, December 29, 2009
Janet Napolitano "security works" It’s not a success when you have a bomb on board a plane that unsuccessfully detonates.
“I think that she has done some things which really cause me great concern,” Hoekstra replied. “When I heard that statement that the security system worked, it was total disbelief. It’s not a success when you have a bomb on board a plane that almost detonates. That is failure.
Janet Napolitano made some other major blunders when she said we were not to use the word terrorist anymore — and use the term man-made disaster,” he told Newsmax.TV's Kathleen Walter. “What in the world does that mean coming from one of our highest ranking government officials?
“And then earlier this year, she also released a report that seemed to imply that veterans, pro-life individuals, and people like that pose a great, if not a greater threat to our homeland security than radicals,” he concluded. “That’s not the kind of leadership that we need when we faced the kind of threat that we face today.”
http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/hoekstra-obama-terrorism-airliner/2009/12/28/id/344823
Janet Napolitano made some other major blunders when she said we were not to use the word terrorist anymore — and use the term man-made disaster,” he told Newsmax.TV's Kathleen Walter. “What in the world does that mean coming from one of our highest ranking government officials?
“And then earlier this year, she also released a report that seemed to imply that veterans, pro-life individuals, and people like that pose a great, if not a greater threat to our homeland security than radicals,” he concluded. “That’s not the kind of leadership that we need when we faced the kind of threat that we face today.”
http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/hoekstra-obama-terrorism-airliner/2009/12/28/id/344823
obama the post turtle
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, whose hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, t
he doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama being our president.
The old rancher said, 'Well, ya know, Obama is a 'Post Turtle.''
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'post turtle' was.
The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle.'"
The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain.
"You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, and he doesn't
know what to do while he's up there, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with."
he doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama being our president.
The old rancher said, 'Well, ya know, Obama is a 'Post Turtle.''
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'post turtle' was.
The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle.'"
The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain.
"You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, and he doesn't
know what to do while he's up there, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with."
bush: safe for 8years obama safe for 8 months
bush kept usa safe for 8years, took obama 8 months for bombing on usa soil WOW
Why don't we have sactions on israel?
http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=95320&catid=158
Israel arrests nuclear whistle-blower
December 29, 2009 -- Updated 1527 GMT (2327 HKT)
Mordechai Vanunu flashes the "V" sign as he is brought into an Israeli court Tuesday in Jerusalem.
Mordechai Vanunu flashes the "V" sign as he is brought into an Israeli court Tuesday in Jerusalem.
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
* Mordechai Vanunu allegedly violates terms of prison release
* Vanunu was imprisoned 1986-2004 on espionage charges
* His reports shined light on Israeli nuclear weapons program
* Vanunu now accused of illegally contacting foreign nationals
RELATED TOPICS
* Mordechai Vanunu
* Israel
* Nuclear Weapons
* Espionage and Intelligence
Jerusalem (CNN) -- Israeli nuclear whistle-blower Mordechai Vanunu was arrested Tuesday by Israeli police for allegedly violating the terms of his 2004 prison release agreement.
Vanunu was convicted by an Israeli court in 1986 after being kidnapped from Italy by Israeli intelligence agents. He was sentenced to 18 years for passing on information about Israel's clandestine nuclear program.
Vanunu, who at the time worked as a technician at Israel's nuclear research facility, passed information along to a British newspaper and led nuclear arms analysts to conclude that Israel possessed a stockpile of nuclear weapons.
Israel has neither confirmed nor denied that it has a nuclear weapons program.
Micky Rosenfeld, a spokesman for the Israeli police, said Vanunu was arrested for an unauthorized meeting with foreigners and was due in court later Tuesday.
Vanunu's attorney, Avigdor Feldman, clarified that the arrest had to do with his client's relationship with a Norwegian girlfriend and nothing to do with revealing state secrets.
The court ordered that Vanunu be put under house arrest for three days until an indictment is served, a police spokesman told CNN.
Speaking to reporters at a Jerusalem court, Vanunu said Israel and its leaders were "impotent" because they have nuclear weapons which they are not able to admit they have.
"This Jewish state has 200 atomic ... hydrogen bombs, atomic weapons, neutron bomb," he said. "They are not able to say they have the bomb, they are not able to destroy anyone. ... Instead they arrest Vanunu Mordechai."
At the time of his release in 2004, the Israeli Justice Ministry said in a statement that it believed there was a "high degree of probability that Vanunu wishes to divulge state secrets, secrets that have yet to be divulged."
According to the terms of Vanunu's release, he is prohibited from leaving the country or making contact with foreign residents without advance permission.
But ever since then, Vanunu has been arrested on a number of occasions for violations of his release agreement, and in 2007 he was sentenced to six months for not fulfilling his parole requirements.
In his remarks to reporters on Tuesday, Vanunu said that since his 2004 release he has met with foreigners "all the time" and that he had been living among foreigners.
Israel arrests nuclear whistle-blower
December 29, 2009 -- Updated 1527 GMT (2327 HKT)
Mordechai Vanunu flashes the "V" sign as he is brought into an Israeli court Tuesday in Jerusalem.
Mordechai Vanunu flashes the "V" sign as he is brought into an Israeli court Tuesday in Jerusalem.
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
* Mordechai Vanunu allegedly violates terms of prison release
* Vanunu was imprisoned 1986-2004 on espionage charges
* His reports shined light on Israeli nuclear weapons program
* Vanunu now accused of illegally contacting foreign nationals
RELATED TOPICS
* Mordechai Vanunu
* Israel
* Nuclear Weapons
* Espionage and Intelligence
Jerusalem (CNN) -- Israeli nuclear whistle-blower Mordechai Vanunu was arrested Tuesday by Israeli police for allegedly violating the terms of his 2004 prison release agreement.
Vanunu was convicted by an Israeli court in 1986 after being kidnapped from Italy by Israeli intelligence agents. He was sentenced to 18 years for passing on information about Israel's clandestine nuclear program.
Vanunu, who at the time worked as a technician at Israel's nuclear research facility, passed information along to a British newspaper and led nuclear arms analysts to conclude that Israel possessed a stockpile of nuclear weapons.
Israel has neither confirmed nor denied that it has a nuclear weapons program.
Micky Rosenfeld, a spokesman for the Israeli police, said Vanunu was arrested for an unauthorized meeting with foreigners and was due in court later Tuesday.
Vanunu's attorney, Avigdor Feldman, clarified that the arrest had to do with his client's relationship with a Norwegian girlfriend and nothing to do with revealing state secrets.
The court ordered that Vanunu be put under house arrest for three days until an indictment is served, a police spokesman told CNN.
Speaking to reporters at a Jerusalem court, Vanunu said Israel and its leaders were "impotent" because they have nuclear weapons which they are not able to admit they have.
"This Jewish state has 200 atomic ... hydrogen bombs, atomic weapons, neutron bomb," he said. "They are not able to say they have the bomb, they are not able to destroy anyone. ... Instead they arrest Vanunu Mordechai."
At the time of his release in 2004, the Israeli Justice Ministry said in a statement that it believed there was a "high degree of probability that Vanunu wishes to divulge state secrets, secrets that have yet to be divulged."
According to the terms of Vanunu's release, he is prohibited from leaving the country or making contact with foreign residents without advance permission.
But ever since then, Vanunu has been arrested on a number of occasions for violations of his release agreement, and in 2007 he was sentenced to six months for not fulfilling his parole requirements.
In his remarks to reporters on Tuesday, Vanunu said that since his 2004 release he has met with foreigners "all the time" and that he had been living among foreigners.
Thursday, December 24, 2009
Robert E. Howard Fans
Robert E. Howard Fans
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Robert Ervin Howard (January 22, 1906 – June 11, 1936) was an American pulp writer of fantasy, horror, historical adventure, boxing, western, and detective fiction.
He created — in the pages of the Depression-era pulp magazine Weird Tales — Conan the Cimmerian, a.k.a. Conan the Barbarian, a character whose pop-culture imprint might be compared to such icons as Tarzan of the Apes, Count Dracula, Sherlock Holmes, and James Bond.
With Conan and his other heroes Howard created the genre now known as sword-and-sorcery in the late 1920s and early 1930s, spawning a host of imitators and giving him an influence in the fantasy field rivaled only by J.R.R. Tolkien and Tolkien's similarly inspired creation of the modern genre of High Fantasy.
Howard remains a widely read author; his best work has been endlessly reprinted. He has been compared to such other American masters of the weird, gloomy, and spectral as Nathaniel Hawthorne, Herman Melville, and Jack London.
[edit] The birth of Sword and Sorcery
As Kane and Costigan stories were rattling off his typewriter, Howard began audacious experiments with the entire concept of the weird tale as defined by practitioners such as Edgar Allan Poe, A. Merritt, and H. P. Lovecraft, mixing elements of fantasy, horror, mythology, and swordplay into thematic vehicles never before seen. After two years of successive drafts, rewrites, and world creation, he finished "The Shadow Kingdom," which for the first time richly blended elements of horror, history, barbaric adventure, high fantasy, and philosophy into a new style of tale which ultimately became known as Sword and Sorcery. Featuring King Kull, a barbarian precursor to later Howard heroes such as Conan, the tale hit Weird Tales in August 1929 and received much fanfare from readers. Several more Kull stories followed, but enough of them were rejected by Weird Tales editor Farnsworth Wright to convince Howard not to continue the series.
With his own interest in Solomon Kane dwindling and his Kull stories not catching on, Howard applied his new Sword-and-Sorcery template to one of his first loves: the Picts. His story "Kings of the Night" depicted King Kull conjured into pre-Christian Britain to aid the Picts in their struggle against the invading Romans, and introduced readers to Howard's king of the Picts, Bran Mak Morn. Howard followed up this tale with the now-classic revenge nightmare "Worms of the Earth" and several other tales, creating horrific adventures tinged with a Cthulhu-esque gloss and notable for their memorable use of metaphor and symbolism.
Category:
Entertainment & Arts - Books & Literature
Description:
Robert Ervin Howard (January 22, 1906 – June 11, 1936) was an American pulp writer of fantasy, horror, historical adventure, boxing, western, and detective fiction.
He created — in the pages of the Depression-era pulp magazine Weird Tales — Conan the Cimmerian, a.k.a. Conan the Barbarian, a character whose pop-culture imprint might be compared to such icons as Tarzan of the Apes, Count Dracula, Sherlock Holmes, and James Bond.
With Conan and his other heroes Howard created the genre now known as sword-and-sorcery in the late 1920s and early 1930s, spawning a host of imitators and giving him an influence in the fantasy field rivaled only by J.R.R. Tolkien and Tolkien's similarly inspired creation of the modern genre of High Fantasy.
Howard remains a widely read author; his best work has been endlessly reprinted. He has been compared to such other American masters of the weird, gloomy, and spectral as Nathaniel Hawthorne, Herman Melville, and Jack London.
[edit] The birth of Sword and Sorcery
As Kane and Costigan stories were rattling off his typewriter, Howard began audacious experiments with the entire concept of the weird tale as defined by practitioners such as Edgar Allan Poe, A. Merritt, and H. P. Lovecraft, mixing elements of fantasy, horror, mythology, and swordplay into thematic vehicles never before seen. After two years of successive drafts, rewrites, and world creation, he finished "The Shadow Kingdom," which for the first time richly blended elements of horror, history, barbaric adventure, high fantasy, and philosophy into a new style of tale which ultimately became known as Sword and Sorcery. Featuring King Kull, a barbarian precursor to later Howard heroes such as Conan, the tale hit Weird Tales in August 1929 and received much fanfare from readers. Several more Kull stories followed, but enough of them were rejected by Weird Tales editor Farnsworth Wright to convince Howard not to continue the series.
With his own interest in Solomon Kane dwindling and his Kull stories not catching on, Howard applied his new Sword-and-Sorcery template to one of his first loves: the Picts. His story "Kings of the Night" depicted King Kull conjured into pre-Christian Britain to aid the Picts in their struggle against the invading Romans, and introduced readers to Howard's king of the Picts, Bran Mak Morn. Howard followed up this tale with the now-classic revenge nightmare "Worms of the Earth" and several other tales, creating horrific adventures tinged with a Cthulhu-esque gloss and notable for their memorable use of metaphor and symbolism.
To The Barricades! Rogue Congress Must be Thrown Out in 2010 Written by J. D. Longstreet
http://www.rightsidenews.com/200912227876/editorial/to-the-barricades-rogue-congress-must-be-thrown-out-in-2010.html
To The Barricades! Rogue Congress Must be Thrown Out in 2010
Written by J. D. Longstreet
Monday, 21 December 2009 19:26
America has now had the opportunity to see what a socialist government can do to America. We have seen the current US government -- made up of Socialists, Marxists, Communists, Progressives, and a mere sprinkling of real Democrats -- nearly cause the collapse of the greatest nation ever to grace the globe. In a matter of months they brought America to its knees in humiliation before the world. They managed to do what all of America's enemies have never been able to do. America nearly capitulated.
But, thanks to the old moss-backed conservatives in the hinterlands of the nation continuously shouting the alarm and rallying the apathetic citizenry, Americans found their spine and during the past couple of months they have been rousing their fellow Americans, lovers of freedom, to fight back.
The battle was joined and those conservatives who would not bow, who would not surrender the freedom, the liberty, our forefathers fought, bled, and died to preserve for us, have managed to fight the rogue government with a vigor they have not seen in a VERY long time. And we must keep it up!
Much has yet to be done to roll back as much of the government intrusion into our daily lives as we possibly can. Much has yet to be done to repair the damage to the democratic representative republic done by the socialists in Washington. If we are to prevail completely, we have no time to lose. We must begin reconstruction immediately.
The most important election in the history of the United States is coming up in November of 2010. Do not be surprised if the socialist government of the United States makes a massive effort to stop the elections scheduled for November of 2010. There ARE ways to do it and I expect them to try anything they can to remain in power.
Under Article one, Section four, Clause one, of the US Constitution, the Congress has broad authority to postpone elections in the event of a national emergency situation. DO NOT KID YOURSELF: The US Congress DOES have, by statute, the power to "postpone" the elections scheduled for November 2010. The Supreme Court has already ruled on that power.
Think about it. In this era of terrorist attacks and with the national economy on the ropes, how difficult would it be to FIND a national emergency, or... God forbid... create one, in order to declare a national emergency and "postpone" the elections. For an interesting read on this question go: HERE.
We must not be deterred. We must demand that free elections in the United States be allowed to happen in November of 2010 -- and -- WE must be prepared to go to the polls in great WAVES of voters fueled with righteous indignation at the way our democratic representative republic has been shoved aside by a power hungry leftist elite bent on paving the way for the United States to join in a one world government, or global governance.
Some are saying the Democratic Party is worried because their own polling is showing they could lose 30 seats in the House of Representatives TODAY!
With 60% of the electorate against the healthcare bill the socialists in Congress are determined to pass into law OVER our protestations, is there any question the democrats stand to lose many more than 30 seats in the House? Is this impetus enough for the incumbents to begin thinking of some way to postpone the inevitable?
The American electorate has begun to stir. The sleeping tiger is twitching, and when fully awake, its roar is devastating.
Many months ago, I wrote that the one thing the democrats could be counted on to do was "overreach." NOW you see what I meant. They cannot help themselves. Their lust for power is overwhelming and they are slaves to it as much as any drug addict is a slave to the drug of his/her choice. They train much of their young lives in our leftist universities to "Make a Difference" and they emerge as the "best and the brightest" believing their own propaganda and they make it their life's work to SAVE us from ourselves by running our lives for us from the cradle to the grave. After all, THEY are smarter they we. THEY know what is good for us and what is not. How dare we question their right to dictate our lives?
They become socialists/communists but they refer to themselves as communist party members have for decades: "PROGRESSIVES."
And they have control of the US Government from the White House to both houses of the Congress. This must change or the United States cannot survive.
We conservatives must work as we have never worked before to re-claim our country. Our national legislature must, once again, truly be representative as it was meant to be.
We have roughly one year to save the republic.
Those in charge in Washington can already see the handwriting on the wall. They know they have only until next November to get their way with their socialist ideas. They will be working furiously during the next eleven months, or so, to ram through the Congress as much of their program as they possibly can. It will be up to conservatives to stop them, to bottle them up, to confuse their plans, until we can vote them out of office next November.
These are perilous times for the republic. Once made aware of the danger, my expectation is that Americans will rise to the occasion as we always have when our nation is in peril.
That Southern Gentleman, planter, Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army and first President of the United States of America, George Washington, once said: "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." President Washington also said: "The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves."
So, what is it to be fellow Americans -- free men or slaves? If we are to be free men -- we have one year to secure our freedom. Just one year.
J. D. Longstreet is a conservative Southern American (A native sandlapper and an adopted Tar Heel) with a deep passion for the history, heritage, and culture of the southern states of America. At the same time he is a deeply loyal American believing strongly in "America First"
He is a thirty-year veteran of the broadcasting business, as an "in the field" and "on-air" news reporter (contributing to radio, TV, and newspapers) and a conservative broadcast commentator.
Longstreet is a veteran of the US Army and US Army Reserve. He is a member of the American Legion and the Sons of Confederate Veterans. A lifelong Christian, Longstreet subscribes to "old Lutheranism" to express and exercise his faith.
Articles by J.D. Longstreet are posted = "INSIGHT on Freedom" and "Hurricane Alley... by Longstreet" also "The Carolina Post" at and at numerous other conservative websites around the web.
To The Barricades! Rogue Congress Must be Thrown Out in 2010
Written by J. D. Longstreet
Monday, 21 December 2009 19:26
America has now had the opportunity to see what a socialist government can do to America. We have seen the current US government -- made up of Socialists, Marxists, Communists, Progressives, and a mere sprinkling of real Democrats -- nearly cause the collapse of the greatest nation ever to grace the globe. In a matter of months they brought America to its knees in humiliation before the world. They managed to do what all of America's enemies have never been able to do. America nearly capitulated.
But, thanks to the old moss-backed conservatives in the hinterlands of the nation continuously shouting the alarm and rallying the apathetic citizenry, Americans found their spine and during the past couple of months they have been rousing their fellow Americans, lovers of freedom, to fight back.
The battle was joined and those conservatives who would not bow, who would not surrender the freedom, the liberty, our forefathers fought, bled, and died to preserve for us, have managed to fight the rogue government with a vigor they have not seen in a VERY long time. And we must keep it up!
Much has yet to be done to roll back as much of the government intrusion into our daily lives as we possibly can. Much has yet to be done to repair the damage to the democratic representative republic done by the socialists in Washington. If we are to prevail completely, we have no time to lose. We must begin reconstruction immediately.
The most important election in the history of the United States is coming up in November of 2010. Do not be surprised if the socialist government of the United States makes a massive effort to stop the elections scheduled for November of 2010. There ARE ways to do it and I expect them to try anything they can to remain in power.
Under Article one, Section four, Clause one, of the US Constitution, the Congress has broad authority to postpone elections in the event of a national emergency situation. DO NOT KID YOURSELF: The US Congress DOES have, by statute, the power to "postpone" the elections scheduled for November 2010. The Supreme Court has already ruled on that power.
Think about it. In this era of terrorist attacks and with the national economy on the ropes, how difficult would it be to FIND a national emergency, or... God forbid... create one, in order to declare a national emergency and "postpone" the elections. For an interesting read on this question go: HERE.
We must not be deterred. We must demand that free elections in the United States be allowed to happen in November of 2010 -- and -- WE must be prepared to go to the polls in great WAVES of voters fueled with righteous indignation at the way our democratic representative republic has been shoved aside by a power hungry leftist elite bent on paving the way for the United States to join in a one world government, or global governance.
Some are saying the Democratic Party is worried because their own polling is showing they could lose 30 seats in the House of Representatives TODAY!
With 60% of the electorate against the healthcare bill the socialists in Congress are determined to pass into law OVER our protestations, is there any question the democrats stand to lose many more than 30 seats in the House? Is this impetus enough for the incumbents to begin thinking of some way to postpone the inevitable?
The American electorate has begun to stir. The sleeping tiger is twitching, and when fully awake, its roar is devastating.
Many months ago, I wrote that the one thing the democrats could be counted on to do was "overreach." NOW you see what I meant. They cannot help themselves. Their lust for power is overwhelming and they are slaves to it as much as any drug addict is a slave to the drug of his/her choice. They train much of their young lives in our leftist universities to "Make a Difference" and they emerge as the "best and the brightest" believing their own propaganda and they make it their life's work to SAVE us from ourselves by running our lives for us from the cradle to the grave. After all, THEY are smarter they we. THEY know what is good for us and what is not. How dare we question their right to dictate our lives?
They become socialists/communists but they refer to themselves as communist party members have for decades: "PROGRESSIVES."
And they have control of the US Government from the White House to both houses of the Congress. This must change or the United States cannot survive.
We conservatives must work as we have never worked before to re-claim our country. Our national legislature must, once again, truly be representative as it was meant to be.
We have roughly one year to save the republic.
Those in charge in Washington can already see the handwriting on the wall. They know they have only until next November to get their way with their socialist ideas. They will be working furiously during the next eleven months, or so, to ram through the Congress as much of their program as they possibly can. It will be up to conservatives to stop them, to bottle them up, to confuse their plans, until we can vote them out of office next November.
These are perilous times for the republic. Once made aware of the danger, my expectation is that Americans will rise to the occasion as we always have when our nation is in peril.
That Southern Gentleman, planter, Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army and first President of the United States of America, George Washington, once said: "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." President Washington also said: "The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves."
So, what is it to be fellow Americans -- free men or slaves? If we are to be free men -- we have one year to secure our freedom. Just one year.
J. D. Longstreet is a conservative Southern American (A native sandlapper and an adopted Tar Heel) with a deep passion for the history, heritage, and culture of the southern states of America. At the same time he is a deeply loyal American believing strongly in "America First"
He is a thirty-year veteran of the broadcasting business, as an "in the field" and "on-air" news reporter (contributing to radio, TV, and newspapers) and a conservative broadcast commentator.
Longstreet is a veteran of the US Army and US Army Reserve. He is a member of the American Legion and the Sons of Confederate Veterans. A lifelong Christian, Longstreet subscribes to "old Lutheranism" to express and exercise his faith.
Articles by J.D. Longstreet are posted = "INSIGHT on Freedom" and "Hurricane Alley... by Longstreet" also "The Carolina Post" at and at numerous other conservative websites around the web.
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Brady attended the University of Michigan and led Michigan to an Orange Bowl victory in the 1999 season. In the 2000 NFL Draft, Brady was selected by the New England Patriots in the 6th round (199th overall).
Dems health care bill gets 400B new taxes on top or rest
Senate Healthcare Bill: $400B in New Taxes
Thursday, 24 Dec 2009 02:26 PM
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By: John Rossomando
Despite repeated promises that healthcare reform would not add “a single dime” to the taxes of the middle class, the massive Senate bill passed Thursday contains a variety of hidden taxes and tax hikes totaling at least $398 billion, according to experts.
National Review Online contributor Deroy Murdock wrote that the 2,457-page, $2.5 trillion healthcare package contains 12 new taxes and six tax hikes totaling $398 billion.
Americans for Tax Reform estimates seven of these tax hikes totaling $81.8 billion would violate the promises President Barack Obama made on the campaign trail last year. Obama said those making under $250,000 annually would not see their taxes raised by a “single dime.”
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Republican Idaho Sen. Mike Crapo introduced an amendment that would have eliminated all taxes affecting those making under $250,000, but the Democrats defeated it. Only five Democrats voted for it.
These taxes cover everything from indoor tanning salons to over-the-counter drugs.
The taxpayer advocate group estimates the tanning-salon tax could cost $2.7 billion. The $5 billion Medicine Cabinet tax would allow diabetics to purchase insulin, but would prohibit the use of money in Health Savings Accounts, Flexible Spending Accounts or Health Reimbursement Accounts from being used to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medications.
“While diabetics thankfully are spared, how does this benefit those who use antacids or asthma inhalers?” Murdock asked.
As of 2014, individual Americans without employer-provided health insurance would be hit with a $15 billion mandate to buy health insurance. Those without “qualifying” government-approved health coverage would have to pay $495 or 0.5 percent of Adjusted Gross Income, whichever is higher. In 2016, that number would rise to 2 percent of Adjusted Gross Income or $640.
Another $15.2-billion tax would require costs to reach 10 percent of Adjusted Gross Income, an increase from the current 7.5 percent before itemized medical expenses could be deducted.
Small businesses with 50 or fewer workers that decline to provide health insurance would face a $28 billion tax. Employers would be forced to pay a $750 fine on each of their 50 staffers if one staffer qualifies for a healthcare tax credit. That penalty would amount to $37,500 annually. Small business owners earning over $250,000 would suffer this same penalty.
Those with “Cadillac” healthcare plans valued at $8,500 for individuals and $23,000 for families face a potential 40 percent excise tax, or $149.1 billion in taxes.
“These taxes, the Congressional Budget Office predicts, “would be largely passed through to consumers in the form of higher premiums for private coverage,” Murdock wrote. “Also ─ in an affront before the law ─ longshoremen are exempt from this tax. Why not ship captains, or nurses, or test pilots?”
Murdock wrote the additional $59.6 billion tax on health insurance companies will also only serve to increase health insurance costs, while the $22.2 billion tax on drug companies would increase drug prices and reduce funds available for drug research.
Those in need of medical products such as hearing aids, heart stents, artificial limbs and other items aimed at improving their life quality would bear the brunt of a $19.2 billion medical products tax.
“Despite this massive picking of citizens’ empty pockets, Obamacare would still leave 24 million Americans uninsured,” Murdock wrote. “Among them, Reid claimed Monday, ‘On average, an American dies from lack of health insurance every 10 minutes.’
“If true, 210,384 Americans will drop dead waiting until 2014 for the start of Obamacare’s benefits, such as they are. Why profligate Democrats so desperate to do so little so slowly for so few?”
Thursday, 24 Dec 2009 02:26 PM
Article Font Size
By: John Rossomando
Despite repeated promises that healthcare reform would not add “a single dime” to the taxes of the middle class, the massive Senate bill passed Thursday contains a variety of hidden taxes and tax hikes totaling at least $398 billion, according to experts.
National Review Online contributor Deroy Murdock wrote that the 2,457-page, $2.5 trillion healthcare package contains 12 new taxes and six tax hikes totaling $398 billion.
Americans for Tax Reform estimates seven of these tax hikes totaling $81.8 billion would violate the promises President Barack Obama made on the campaign trail last year. Obama said those making under $250,000 annually would not see their taxes raised by a “single dime.”
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Republican Idaho Sen. Mike Crapo introduced an amendment that would have eliminated all taxes affecting those making under $250,000, but the Democrats defeated it. Only five Democrats voted for it.
These taxes cover everything from indoor tanning salons to over-the-counter drugs.
The taxpayer advocate group estimates the tanning-salon tax could cost $2.7 billion. The $5 billion Medicine Cabinet tax would allow diabetics to purchase insulin, but would prohibit the use of money in Health Savings Accounts, Flexible Spending Accounts or Health Reimbursement Accounts from being used to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medications.
“While diabetics thankfully are spared, how does this benefit those who use antacids or asthma inhalers?” Murdock asked.
As of 2014, individual Americans without employer-provided health insurance would be hit with a $15 billion mandate to buy health insurance. Those without “qualifying” government-approved health coverage would have to pay $495 or 0.5 percent of Adjusted Gross Income, whichever is higher. In 2016, that number would rise to 2 percent of Adjusted Gross Income or $640.
Another $15.2-billion tax would require costs to reach 10 percent of Adjusted Gross Income, an increase from the current 7.5 percent before itemized medical expenses could be deducted.
Small businesses with 50 or fewer workers that decline to provide health insurance would face a $28 billion tax. Employers would be forced to pay a $750 fine on each of their 50 staffers if one staffer qualifies for a healthcare tax credit. That penalty would amount to $37,500 annually. Small business owners earning over $250,000 would suffer this same penalty.
Those with “Cadillac” healthcare plans valued at $8,500 for individuals and $23,000 for families face a potential 40 percent excise tax, or $149.1 billion in taxes.
“These taxes, the Congressional Budget Office predicts, “would be largely passed through to consumers in the form of higher premiums for private coverage,” Murdock wrote. “Also ─ in an affront before the law ─ longshoremen are exempt from this tax. Why not ship captains, or nurses, or test pilots?”
Murdock wrote the additional $59.6 billion tax on health insurance companies will also only serve to increase health insurance costs, while the $22.2 billion tax on drug companies would increase drug prices and reduce funds available for drug research.
Those in need of medical products such as hearing aids, heart stents, artificial limbs and other items aimed at improving their life quality would bear the brunt of a $19.2 billion medical products tax.
“Despite this massive picking of citizens’ empty pockets, Obamacare would still leave 24 million Americans uninsured,” Murdock wrote. “Among them, Reid claimed Monday, ‘On average, an American dies from lack of health insurance every 10 minutes.’
“If true, 210,384 Americans will drop dead waiting until 2014 for the start of Obamacare’s benefits, such as they are. Why profligate Democrats so desperate to do so little so slowly for so few?”
democrat media weasils misquote coburn badly, anne coulter schools them
IN OTHER WORDS ...
December 23, 2009
Irritated at the bumps on the road to the Democrats' Thousand-Year Reich, liberals are now claiming that Republican Senator Tom Coburn requested a prayer for the death of Sen. Bob Byrd during the health care debate last Saturday night.
Here is what Coburn actually said: "What the American people ought to pray is that somebody can't make the vote tonight. That's what they ought to pray."
After reporting Coburn's remark, The Washington Post's Dana Milbank added: "It was difficult to escape the conclusion that Coburn was referring to the 92-year-old, wheelchair-bound Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.V.)."
Contrary to Milbank's claim, I find it extremely easy to get away from that conclusion. In fact, I'm a regular Houdini when it comes to that conclusion. That conclusion couldn't hold me for a second.
There are a million ways a senator could miss a vote, other than by dying. Ask Patrick Kennedy. At 1 a.m. on a Sunday night in the middle of a historic blizzard in the nation's capital, I don't think the first thing that came to anyone's mind was death. More likely it was: "Last call."
Milbank was employing the MSNBC motto, "In Other Words," which provides the formula for 90 percent of the political commentary on that network. The MSNBC host quotes a Republican, then says "in other words," translates the statement into something that would be stupid to say, and spends the next 10 minutes ridiculing the translated version. Which no one said. Except the host.
Also, by the way, Sen. Coburn did not "go to the Senate floor to propose a prayer," as Milbank reported. He was giving a floor speech in which he used the turn of phrase, "What the American people ought to pray is ..."
Inasmuch as liberals want to talk about anything but their plan to take over one-sixth of the American economy, let's talk about health care!
Democrats tout Medicare as their model for a government-run health care system, bragging about what an extremely popular government program it is.
Medicare is tens of trillions of dollars in the red. It is expected to go bankrupt by 2017. In order to pay for Medicare alone, the government will either have to cut every other federal program in existence, or raise federal income taxes to rates as high as 77 percent.
Medicare is like a $500 hamburger: I assume it's good -- it had better be -- but no one would say, "THAT'S A FANTASTIC SUCCESS!"
Until 10 minutes ago, the liberal argument for national health care was that it wasn't fair that some people -- "the rich" -- have access to better health care than others.
In liberals' ideal world, everyone lives in abject poverty and stands in long lines, but we all live in the same abject poverty and stand in the same long lines -- just like in their beloved Soviet Union of recent memory! (Except the commissars, who get excellent health care, food, housing, maid service and no lines.)
Instead of being honest and telling us that their plan is to make health care worse and more expensive -- but fairer! -- liberals have recently begun claiming that providing universal health care will actually save money. Overnight, they went from wailing about basic human needs being "more important than bombs" to claiming: "Our plan will be cheaper!"
Hmmm, I didn't make any notes to debate the manifestly insane points. But I'm pretty sure that extending full medical benefits to 30 million people who don't currently have them -- 47 million once the federal health commission rules that illegal aliens are covered -- will not be less expensive than the current system.
You can say -- mistakenly -- that the liberals' plan is more compassionate. You can say -- also incorrectly -- that it will be fairer. On no set of facts can you say it will be cheaper.
Democrats keep citing the Congressional Budget Office's "scoring" of their bills as if that means something.
The CBO is required to score a bill based on the assumptions provided by the bill's authors. It's worth about as much as a report card filled out by the student himself.
Democrats could write a bill saying: "Assume we invent a magic pill that will make cars get 1,000 miles per gallon. Now, CBO, would that save money?"
The CBO would have to conclude: Yes, that bill will save money.
Among the tricks the Democrats put into their health care bills for the CBO is that the government will collect taxes for 10 years, but only pay out benefits for the last six years. Will that save money? Yes, the CBO says, this bill is "deficit neutral"!
But what about the next 10 years and the next 10 years and the next 10 years after that? Will the health care plan continually pay benefits only in the last six years of every 10-year period? I think their plan assumes we'll all be dead from global warming in a decade.
Also, I note that the Democrats claim it's urgent that we pass ObamaCare by Christmas, but the bill doesn't get around to paying out any benefits until 2014. Poor uninsured chumps.
In other words ... Democrats are praying for the death of Bob Byrd!
COPYRIGHT 2009 ANN COULTER
DISTRIBUTED BY UNIVERSAL UCLICK
1130 Walnut, Kansas City, MO 64106
December 23, 2009
Irritated at the bumps on the road to the Democrats' Thousand-Year Reich, liberals are now claiming that Republican Senator Tom Coburn requested a prayer for the death of Sen. Bob Byrd during the health care debate last Saturday night.
Here is what Coburn actually said: "What the American people ought to pray is that somebody can't make the vote tonight. That's what they ought to pray."
After reporting Coburn's remark, The Washington Post's Dana Milbank added: "It was difficult to escape the conclusion that Coburn was referring to the 92-year-old, wheelchair-bound Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.V.)."
Contrary to Milbank's claim, I find it extremely easy to get away from that conclusion. In fact, I'm a regular Houdini when it comes to that conclusion. That conclusion couldn't hold me for a second.
There are a million ways a senator could miss a vote, other than by dying. Ask Patrick Kennedy. At 1 a.m. on a Sunday night in the middle of a historic blizzard in the nation's capital, I don't think the first thing that came to anyone's mind was death. More likely it was: "Last call."
Milbank was employing the MSNBC motto, "In Other Words," which provides the formula for 90 percent of the political commentary on that network. The MSNBC host quotes a Republican, then says "in other words," translates the statement into something that would be stupid to say, and spends the next 10 minutes ridiculing the translated version. Which no one said. Except the host.
Also, by the way, Sen. Coburn did not "go to the Senate floor to propose a prayer," as Milbank reported. He was giving a floor speech in which he used the turn of phrase, "What the American people ought to pray is ..."
Inasmuch as liberals want to talk about anything but their plan to take over one-sixth of the American economy, let's talk about health care!
Democrats tout Medicare as their model for a government-run health care system, bragging about what an extremely popular government program it is.
Medicare is tens of trillions of dollars in the red. It is expected to go bankrupt by 2017. In order to pay for Medicare alone, the government will either have to cut every other federal program in existence, or raise federal income taxes to rates as high as 77 percent.
Medicare is like a $500 hamburger: I assume it's good -- it had better be -- but no one would say, "THAT'S A FANTASTIC SUCCESS!"
Until 10 minutes ago, the liberal argument for national health care was that it wasn't fair that some people -- "the rich" -- have access to better health care than others.
In liberals' ideal world, everyone lives in abject poverty and stands in long lines, but we all live in the same abject poverty and stand in the same long lines -- just like in their beloved Soviet Union of recent memory! (Except the commissars, who get excellent health care, food, housing, maid service and no lines.)
Instead of being honest and telling us that their plan is to make health care worse and more expensive -- but fairer! -- liberals have recently begun claiming that providing universal health care will actually save money. Overnight, they went from wailing about basic human needs being "more important than bombs" to claiming: "Our plan will be cheaper!"
Hmmm, I didn't make any notes to debate the manifestly insane points. But I'm pretty sure that extending full medical benefits to 30 million people who don't currently have them -- 47 million once the federal health commission rules that illegal aliens are covered -- will not be less expensive than the current system.
You can say -- mistakenly -- that the liberals' plan is more compassionate. You can say -- also incorrectly -- that it will be fairer. On no set of facts can you say it will be cheaper.
Democrats keep citing the Congressional Budget Office's "scoring" of their bills as if that means something.
The CBO is required to score a bill based on the assumptions provided by the bill's authors. It's worth about as much as a report card filled out by the student himself.
Democrats could write a bill saying: "Assume we invent a magic pill that will make cars get 1,000 miles per gallon. Now, CBO, would that save money?"
The CBO would have to conclude: Yes, that bill will save money.
Among the tricks the Democrats put into their health care bills for the CBO is that the government will collect taxes for 10 years, but only pay out benefits for the last six years. Will that save money? Yes, the CBO says, this bill is "deficit neutral"!
But what about the next 10 years and the next 10 years and the next 10 years after that? Will the health care plan continually pay benefits only in the last six years of every 10-year period? I think their plan assumes we'll all be dead from global warming in a decade.
Also, I note that the Democrats claim it's urgent that we pass ObamaCare by Christmas, but the bill doesn't get around to paying out any benefits until 2014. Poor uninsured chumps.
In other words ... Democrats are praying for the death of Bob Byrd!
COPYRIGHT 2009 ANN COULTER
DISTRIBUTED BY UNIVERSAL UCLICK
1130 Walnut, Kansas City, MO 64106
azathoth99: why are oranges plentiful (01:20:58 PM) azathoth99: and amd chips (01:21:03 PM) azathoth99: but not doctors
(01:17:03 PM) azathoth99: so freebsd has a few competitors: archlinux, netbsd, openbsd for small routers, and plan 9 for real men
(01:17:09 PM) jgh40: i'm sure it will be costly, but down the line it is a good step forward.
(01:17:46 PM) azathoth99: I think its another slap in the face of free market, which works but governmetn interfears then blames market not itself, so says more government si the cure
(01:17:48 PM) azathoth99: sad really
(01:17:57 PM) azathoth99: esp since communism has been tried endlessly and never works
(01:18:56 PM) ninjaslim [n=sabeeh@ool-ad036a9c.dyn.optonline.net] entered the room.
(01:19:07 PM) monty_hall: azathoth99: I'm furious about obama care, massive gov't power grab.
(01:19:38 PM) jgh40: well, it is the free market, too, that has been screwing ppl on healthcare for a long time
(01:19:40 PM) azathoth99: he current debt ceiling is $12.1 trillion and is set to be reached by Dec. 31.
(01:19:51 PM) monty_hall: Congress just ruined Christmas
(01:19:55 PM) jgh40: nothing wrong with socialism
(01:19:57 PM) azathoth99: free market always delivers best care
(01:20:02 PM) azathoth99: problem is governmetn meddling
(01:20:11 PM) azathoth99: and worrying about winning company making money
(01:20:16 PM) jgh40: i wouldn't agree with that
(01:20:19 PM) azathoth99: look at microsoft
(01:20:29 PM) azathoth99: well you and me have fundamentally different beliefs
(01:20:29 PM) jgh40: healthcare is shitty in this country for those that really need the care
(01:20:38 PM) azathoth99: but why
(01:20:45 PM) infrared: healthCARE? or health insurance
(01:20:48 PM) jgh40: because they can
(01:20:53 PM) azathoth99: why are oranges plentiful
(01:20:58 PM) azathoth99: and amd chips
(01:21:03 PM) azathoth99: but not doctors
(01:21:04 PM) monty_hall: so screw the 85% of people satisfied w/ their care for the hobos and clowns?
(01:21:10 PM) monty_hall: thanks.
(01:21:19 PM) azathoth99: produce more docs
(01:21:24 PM) azathoth99: but ama doesnt want that
(01:21:25 PM) azathoth99: lol
(01:21:30 PM) azathoth99: they want limited # of docs
(01:21:36 PM) azathoth99: keep price high
(01:21:36 PM) jgh40: well, it may be 85% now.... it may decrease :)
(01:17:09 PM) jgh40: i'm sure it will be costly, but down the line it is a good step forward.
(01:17:46 PM) azathoth99: I think its another slap in the face of free market, which works but governmetn interfears then blames market not itself, so says more government si the cure
(01:17:48 PM) azathoth99: sad really
(01:17:57 PM) azathoth99: esp since communism has been tried endlessly and never works
(01:18:56 PM) ninjaslim [n=sabeeh@ool-ad036a9c.dyn.optonline.net] entered the room.
(01:19:07 PM) monty_hall: azathoth99: I'm furious about obama care, massive gov't power grab.
(01:19:38 PM) jgh40: well, it is the free market, too, that has been screwing ppl on healthcare for a long time
(01:19:40 PM) azathoth99: he current debt ceiling is $12.1 trillion and is set to be reached by Dec. 31.
(01:19:51 PM) monty_hall: Congress just ruined Christmas
(01:19:55 PM) jgh40: nothing wrong with socialism
(01:19:57 PM) azathoth99: free market always delivers best care
(01:20:02 PM) azathoth99: problem is governmetn meddling
(01:20:11 PM) azathoth99: and worrying about winning company making money
(01:20:16 PM) jgh40: i wouldn't agree with that
(01:20:19 PM) azathoth99: look at microsoft
(01:20:29 PM) azathoth99: well you and me have fundamentally different beliefs
(01:20:29 PM) jgh40: healthcare is shitty in this country for those that really need the care
(01:20:38 PM) azathoth99: but why
(01:20:45 PM) infrared: healthCARE? or health insurance
(01:20:48 PM) jgh40: because they can
(01:20:53 PM) azathoth99: why are oranges plentiful
(01:20:58 PM) azathoth99: and amd chips
(01:21:03 PM) azathoth99: but not doctors
(01:21:04 PM) monty_hall: so screw the 85% of people satisfied w/ their care for the hobos and clowns?
(01:21:10 PM) monty_hall: thanks.
(01:21:19 PM) azathoth99: produce more docs
(01:21:24 PM) azathoth99: but ama doesnt want that
(01:21:25 PM) azathoth99: lol
(01:21:30 PM) azathoth99: they want limited # of docs
(01:21:36 PM) azathoth99: keep price high
(01:21:36 PM) jgh40: well, it may be 85% now.... it may decrease :)
Mccain would have fucked up economy less than mr nobel peace idiot (really)
Mccain would have fucked up economy less than mr nobel peace idiot (really)
Date: 2009-12-24, 12:38PM EST
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obama leading league in
1 war spending more bush
2 deficits
3 taxes [yes expiring lol is same as 'raising' call me old fashined]
4 unemployment
5 no single payer or govt option health
6 no reform of insurnace
7 no limiting or ending the fed which caused thsi mess
8 no stopping blame bush lol
9 no admit there is mad inflation
10 no admit this is all to make crazy real estate prices stay high so governmetn get tons of property taxes
Location: really
Date: 2009-12-24, 12:38PM EST
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obama leading league in
1 war spending more bush
2 deficits
3 taxes [yes expiring lol is same as 'raising' call me old fashined]
4 unemployment
5 no single payer or govt option health
6 no reform of insurnace
7 no limiting or ending the fed which caused thsi mess
8 no stopping blame bush lol
9 no admit there is mad inflation
10 no admit this is all to make crazy real estate prices stay high so governmetn get tons of property taxes
Location: really
better question: why does obama get nobel? nobel now a joke (cmon now)
better question: why does obama get nobel? nobel now a joke (cmon now)
Date: 2009-12-23, 4:20PM EST
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I mean this guy sends 30,000 troops on a no win mission it afghanistan where no empire in the whole history of the world has ever won.
and get nobel prize
lol
hilarious
then nothing done at climate conference except whore offering free ass because moralist old women EU bitches sent note about no you should not fuck the legal whores.
lol
and obama claims he changed world and success again lol
cmon man
obama running deficit PAST 12TRILLION
he does bailouts
99% of americans dont want bailouts
he re hired bernanke the guy who caused the house nuke shitheads blame on bush
he give dems free 150B for more bailout and 50B for poeople not working
do people get that chip maker AMD is only worth 6B
just buy AMD and hire all the unemployed idiots to make PC
where is the wind and soalr power blanketing the midwest and the masive governmetn enigineer ing jobs[yes finally a porductive governetn job] to support massive power grid?
I dotn see any trains or electrc rails or electric cas going in anywhere
where are the NATO helping usa with money and troops for afghanistan?
why is USA the big spender?
why isnt NATO doing shit if obama is loved by the EU commies, who by the way have nationalized haelth and their economies are cumbling?
what EU product do you buy?
maybe what wine?
or a heineken?
cmon man they are slipping into the mud economically as china kicks thier ass and china is on its way to being other superpower
russia what happened ?
where is russia?
Date: 2009-12-23, 4:20PM EST
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I mean this guy sends 30,000 troops on a no win mission it afghanistan where no empire in the whole history of the world has ever won.
and get nobel prize
lol
hilarious
then nothing done at climate conference except whore offering free ass because moralist old women EU bitches sent note about no you should not fuck the legal whores.
lol
and obama claims he changed world and success again lol
cmon man
obama running deficit PAST 12TRILLION
he does bailouts
99% of americans dont want bailouts
he re hired bernanke the guy who caused the house nuke shitheads blame on bush
he give dems free 150B for more bailout and 50B for poeople not working
do people get that chip maker AMD is only worth 6B
just buy AMD and hire all the unemployed idiots to make PC
where is the wind and soalr power blanketing the midwest and the masive governmetn enigineer ing jobs[yes finally a porductive governetn job] to support massive power grid?
I dotn see any trains or electrc rails or electric cas going in anywhere
where are the NATO helping usa with money and troops for afghanistan?
why is USA the big spender?
why isnt NATO doing shit if obama is loved by the EU commies, who by the way have nationalized haelth and their economies are cumbling?
what EU product do you buy?
maybe what wine?
or a heineken?
cmon man they are slipping into the mud economically as china kicks thier ass and china is on its way to being other superpower
russia what happened ?
where is russia?
Wednesday, December 23, 2009
Pavel created a short demo video of Seaside XUL using Pharo.
http://astares.blogspot.com/2009/12/seaside-xul-video.html
Tuesday, December 22, 2009
Economic rebound weaker than first thought (Third time a charm?)
Economic rebound weaker than first thought (Third time a charm?)
Date: 2009-12-22, 9:12AM EST
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WASHINGTON - The U.S. economy grew at a much slower pace than initially thought in the third quarter, restrained by weak business investment and a slightly more aggressive liquidation of inventories, according to data on Tuesday.
The Commerce Department's final estimate showed gross domestic product grew at a 2.2 percent annual rate instead of the 2.8 percent pace it reported last month. Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast the report to show GDP, which measures total goods and services output within U.S. borders, unrevised at a 2.8 percent growth rate in the third quarter.
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HMMM how will the " you said" fraud spin this one i wonder? This is the third time they have revised this number -The President and Dems have been touting the growth in GDP as signs that the recession is over have they not? Please also keep in mind that these low numbers are also inflated by the gov't who spent billions of taxpayers dollars on Cash for Clunkers and that huge success known as ARRA - You know that bill that put signs all over the highways touting Obama and ARRA - The same roads that are untouched yet supposedly they were all "shovel ready" -
Date: 2009-12-22, 9:12AM EST
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WASHINGTON - The U.S. economy grew at a much slower pace than initially thought in the third quarter, restrained by weak business investment and a slightly more aggressive liquidation of inventories, according to data on Tuesday.
The Commerce Department's final estimate showed gross domestic product grew at a 2.2 percent annual rate instead of the 2.8 percent pace it reported last month. Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast the report to show GDP, which measures total goods and services output within U.S. borders, unrevised at a 2.8 percent growth rate in the third quarter.
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HMMM how will the " you said" fraud spin this one i wonder? This is the third time they have revised this number -The President and Dems have been touting the growth in GDP as signs that the recession is over have they not? Please also keep in mind that these low numbers are also inflated by the gov't who spent billions of taxpayers dollars on Cash for Clunkers and that huge success known as ARRA - You know that bill that put signs all over the highways touting Obama and ARRA - The same roads that are untouched yet supposedly they were all "shovel ready" -
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There has been a lot of this kind of posting going on here over the past few days, which begs the question: is it a coincidence that all of a sudden liberals are flooding CL with this theme...maybe a couple people off early on Christmas break with time to rant....or is this an organized effort? With the dawning of blogging as a means of effecting political change, CL is now no longer for amateurs, it is a forum for pro bloggers that make a pit stop here along with stops at the Huff Po and Daily Kos. Whichever the case, it doesn't make the rants any more cogent, in fact, if this is an organized effort, the Democrats are in big trouble because the threads have been some of the most illogical missives I've ever seen.
At least when W. was prez, one could choose from a myriad of mistakes to criticize and lampoon---It always is easier to criticize than it is to lead, but now that liberals have to govern, they are being exposed with the same tactics they engaged in for the last 8 years and are now playing defense. The only problem is that there is no defense because the legislation does not make any sense on paper, in common sense practice or in the polls.
All of the problems that the Democrats are having can be traced to one truism: the country is mostly conservative (notice I didn't say "republican.") This places stress on every candidate in a conservative district not to increase the debt or add any more entitlements. Since this plan is wrought with all of those, citizens will have their Xmas breaks to review all of the dirty details in the bill and there are many very disturbing paragraphs in the bill that even before conference committee will enrage the populace. When these Senators come back from recess it will be crystal clear that anyone who voted for this monstrosity will be on the chopping block unless they are ensconced in a liberal haven like Pelosi or Frank, but most Dems will have no where to hide and will be ousted.
There will be many high level changes coming like Harry Reid losing his seat, but all across the country there will be local changes that won't make the national news. Positions like comptrollers, assembly, district officers and county seats will go conservative due to the grass roots level the Tea Party is at, but also because at the local level the city populace won't be able to overwhelm the electorate.
My prediction is that by 2010 the Congress will flip back to republican control along with even more governor seats. The economy will quickly respond to the republicans dismantling all of the taxes and regulations enacted by the Democrats. Furthermore, since the stimulus and Health Care Bills don't go into effect until 2012, returning the money and dismantling the bureaucracy will be simple. The mistake the Democrats are forced into making is that in order to make the numbers crunch in their favor, they've had to collect up front for services that will come later. Money can always be returned, but once the entitlement is established, that is far more difficult to outsource (see Social Security).
Unfortunately for Obama, he will not be able to take credit for the turnaround because all of the seeds of weakness he has sewn abroad will come to fruition in the next 2 years. Iran will be fully armed and rattling its sabers, No. Korea will be capable as well and Yemen will emerge as a new haven for terrorism creating yet another front in the Middle east due our military diligence. I won't even go into the farce Global warming is and the negative view most Americans have of Obama as he tries to get us involved in restrictive emissions treaties.
What this all means is that in 4 years, one will be able to replace the word "republican" with "Democrat" in all of these "irrelevant" posts as of late. Power goes in cycles. Remember Carter?
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There has been a lot of this kind of posting going on here over the past few days, which begs the question: is it a coincidence that all of a sudden liberals are flooding CL with this theme...maybe a couple people off early on Christmas break with time to rant....or is this an organized effort? With the dawning of blogging as a means of effecting political change, CL is now no longer for amateurs, it is a forum for pro bloggers that make a pit stop here along with stops at the Huff Po and Daily Kos. Whichever the case, it doesn't make the rants any more cogent, in fact, if this is an organized effort, the Democrats are in big trouble because the threads have been some of the most illogical missives I've ever seen.
At least when W. was prez, one could choose from a myriad of mistakes to criticize and lampoon---It always is easier to criticize than it is to lead, but now that liberals have to govern, they are being exposed with the same tactics they engaged in for the last 8 years and are now playing defense. The only problem is that there is no defense because the legislation does not make any sense on paper, in common sense practice or in the polls.
All of the problems that the Democrats are having can be traced to one truism: the country is mostly conservative (notice I didn't say "republican.") This places stress on every candidate in a conservative district not to increase the debt or add any more entitlements. Since this plan is wrought with all of those, citizens will have their Xmas breaks to review all of the dirty details in the bill and there are many very disturbing paragraphs in the bill that even before conference committee will enrage the populace. When these Senators come back from recess it will be crystal clear that anyone who voted for this monstrosity will be on the chopping block unless they are ensconced in a liberal haven like Pelosi or Frank, but most Dems will have no where to hide and will be ousted.
There will be many high level changes coming like Harry Reid losing his seat, but all across the country there will be local changes that won't make the national news. Positions like comptrollers, assembly, district officers and county seats will go conservative due to the grass roots level the Tea Party is at, but also because at the local level the city populace won't be able to overwhelm the electorate.
My prediction is that by 2010 the Congress will flip back to republican control along with even more governor seats. The economy will quickly respond to the republicans dismantling all of the taxes and regulations enacted by the Democrats. Furthermore, since the stimulus and Health Care Bills don't go into effect until 2012, returning the money and dismantling the bureaucracy will be simple. The mistake the Democrats are forced into making is that in order to make the numbers crunch in their favor, they've had to collect up front for services that will come later. Money can always be returned, but once the entitlement is established, that is far more difficult to outsource (see Social Security).
Unfortunately for Obama, he will not be able to take credit for the turnaround because all of the seeds of weakness he has sewn abroad will come to fruition in the next 2 years. Iran will be fully armed and rattling its sabers, No. Korea will be capable as well and Yemen will emerge as a new haven for terrorism creating yet another front in the Middle east due our military diligence. I won't even go into the farce Global warming is and the negative view most Americans have of Obama as he tries to get us involved in restrictive emissions treaties.
What this all means is that in 4 years, one will be able to replace the word "republican" with "Democrat" in all of these "irrelevant" posts as of late. Power goes in cycles. Remember Carter?
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for 6B government could buy AMD
(01:25:41 AM) The topic for #tcl is: Tcl and Tk | for eggdrop try #eggtcl on efnet | NB: ijchain is a bot bridging a jabber chat
(01:29:35 AM) azathoth99: many times many ways mery xmas
(01:35:43 AM) Jygga left the room (quit: Nick collision from services.).
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(01:35:48 AM) Jyggaa is now known as Jygga
(01:35:52 AM) ***ijchain ashok has become available
(01:36:28 AM) hat0: christmas is a special time of year, a time when people from all religions, from all walks of life, can come together and worship jesus christ
(01:42:08 AM) ijchain: I prefer inclusive fascism
(01:44:38 AM) azathoth99: monarchy might be better after what I have seen under the obama regime
(01:45:14 AM) azathoth99: I mean why would monarchy be so bad?
(01:45:45 AM) ijchain: George II's was far worse
(01:45:56 AM) azathoth99: avatar gets A on yahoo movies, why do I no longer trust yahoo movies?
(01:46:03 AM) azathoth99: well how so?
(01:46:15 AM) azathoth99: obama has more war and more debt and more unemployemnt
(01:46:19 AM) azathoth99: I want george back!
(01:49:22 AM) ijchain: yeah, little things like iraq,afghanistan and the GFC. All of which occurred before Obama was elected.
(01:51:25 AM) azathoth99: gfc?
(01:51:57 AM) azathoth99: well obama could liek end the wars, bring troosp home, and buidl wind and soalr power
(01:52:03 AM) hat0: haha, azathoth99, not an obama fan?
(01:52:08 AM) azathoth99: hire unemployed and train em to be solar and wind engineers
(01:52:12 AM) azathoth99: hell no
(01:52:48 AM) hat0: are you sure you know what the "president" can do?
(01:52:55 AM) hat0: like, what his special magic elected powers are?
(01:53:12 AM) azathoth99: yep, one is called VETO
(01:53:59 AM) hat0: he will apply VETO to build wind and solar power, hire unemployed
(01:54:11 AM) azathoth99: thats the problem
(01:54:12 AM) ijchain: the other must be 'instantly reverse the consequences of previous criminal president.'
(01:54:19 AM) hat0: it seems you've thought this one out through and through
(01:54:28 AM) azathoth99: wind n solar would add energy to grid, and pay for self in few years
(01:54:48 AM) azathoth99: colin are you australian I forget?
(01:54:58 AM) ijchain: yep
(01:55:01 AM) azathoth99: oh I was an economics major
(01:55:08 AM) azathoth99: I think about this stuff too much
(01:55:20 AM) hat0: obviously
(01:55:33 AM) azathoth99: the housing nuke was cuased by governmetn funny money
(01:55:38 AM) azathoth99: as was the great depression
(01:55:44 AM) azathoth99: rest flows from those 2 facts
(01:55:45 AM) hat0: would you like to bring back the gold standard?
(01:55:47 AM) ijchain: didn't we have some agreement about your nick, azathoth99 ?
(01:55:49 AM) azathoth99: yes
(01:55:51 AM) azathoth99: I would
(01:55:52 AM) hat0: hahahaha
(01:55:57 AM) hat0: can someone op me?
(01:56:13 AM) azathoth99: what wan my nick
(01:56:21 AM) azathoth99: Im on new pc in moms house 3000 mile from home
(01:56:28 AM) azathoth99: running linux no less
(01:56:28 AM) hat0: gavino?
(01:56:43 AM) ***ijchain colin nods
(01:56:57 AM) azathoth99: bambino!
(01:58:19 AM) azathoth99: VETO bailout, veto war, veto health without single payer
(01:58:25 AM) azathoth99: veto tarp
(01:58:42 AM) azathoth99: end fed
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(01:58:51 AM) azathoth99: basics
(01:59:04 AM) azathoth99: maybe gore shoulda run
(01:59:09 AM) azathoth99: gore might be more rational
(01:59:09 AM) hat0: "end fed" haha
(01:59:13 AM) hat0: i like how you kinda slipped that one in there
(01:59:24 AM) azathoth99: well any normal person would
(01:59:27 AM) hat0: wait, wait, the irs isn't constitutional, either
(01:59:30 AM) azathoth99: its source of legal crime
(01:59:33 AM) hat0: the 16th amendment was never properly ratified!!
(01:59:51 AM) azathoth99: well if you go that far neither is public eduction
(01:59:53 AM) hat0: wesley snipes is a political prisoner
(02:00:02 AM) azathoth99: or cap gains taxes
(02:00:05 AM) azathoth99: or death
(02:00:07 AM) azathoth99: etc.
(02:00:25 AM) hat0: man you guys are great
(02:06:39 AM) azathoth99: I dont understand other ideology
(02:07:13 AM) azathoth99: I had a friend who was a marxist professor, and old guy, and I didnt udnerstand how he would do things if e had the power
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(02:09:32 AM) hat0: maybe he wouldn't do a very good job
(02:10:00 AM) ijchain: gavino, we had an agreement wrt your nick.
(02:10:26 AM) ijchain: one part of the agreement was we wouldn't immediately ban you. The other part is that you wouldn't change your nick.
(02:10:51 AM) ijchain: Now, unless your mum's name is azathoth99, and you're using her account ...
(02:10:55 AM) You are now known as gavino
(02:11:00 AM) gavino: ok
(02:11:08 AM) ijchain: Ok.
(02:11:27 AM) gavino: 3 2 1 ..
(02:11:38 AM) ijchain: hmm?
(02:12:02 AM) gavino: amazing I am not banner
(02:12:05 AM) gavino: banned
(02:12:34 AM) ijchain: oh. Well, keep it within bounds and don't change your nick around, the rest can be handled by people hiding you if they wish.
(02:12:44 AM) gavino: hat0 what do you think is a good system of government, I can switch to talking about software if this is too offtop, butI find it interesting
(02:14:00 AM) gavino: colin compiments on wub
(02:14:09 AM) gavino: looks like it is growing strong
(02:14:15 AM) ijchain: Thanks. It's getting there.
(02:14:54 AM) hat0: gavino i'm a communist. in fact, if there were a level beyond communist, that's me. i'm a firm believer in a strong central government that tends to the needs of its people.
(02:15:20 AM) gavino: and entrepreneurs? those who say would work 3 times as much for 3x the $$?
(02:15:37 AM) ijchain: they would if I were in charge of the world!
(02:15:51 AM) hat0: i'd send them to the mines
(02:16:02 AM) ijchain: for 1/3rd the $$$
(02:16:15 AM) ijchain: I'd make them eat whatever they dug up
(02:16:23 AM) gavino: so what happens when no one does anything
(02:16:40 AM) hat0: yeah, "work 3 times as much" is some sort of unpleasant fiction - they work no harder than anyone, they just skim off the top of others' work.
(02:16:51 AM) gavino: everyone slacks, yet gov has to give each his supplies, yet none have been produced
(02:16:53 AM) gavino: ..
(02:16:56 AM) ijchain: expropriation as a career
(02:17:03 AM) hat0: but why would that happen, gavino? why would no one do anything?
(02:17:10 AM) ijchain: I'd still write code.
(02:17:19 AM) gavino: cuz rather play vid games
(02:17:31 AM) gavino: smoke weed
(02:17:33 AM) gavino: have sex
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(02:17:38 AM) ijchain: I'd shoot slackers in my free time.
(02:17:43 AM) gavino: lol
(02:17:54 AM) gavino: I mean if governmetn provies why get outa bed in morning?
(02:18:07 AM) ijchain: I'd still get out of bed in the morning.
(02:18:17 AM) gavino: I too would get bored and go do something.
(02:18:31 AM) hat0: i'd get out of bed in the morning, too.
(02:18:41 AM) ijchain: right. and then we could shoot all the slackers.
(02:18:51 AM) gavino: how define one?
(02:18:54 AM) ijchain: actually, I'd rather shoot the people who go to bed early and get up early.
(02:18:56 AM) hat0: i really don't see why people would stop doing things, just because they're no longer terrified of starving to death.
(02:19:01 AM) gavino: what if someone thinks they should be paid for rap music
(02:19:19 AM) gavino: or poetry
(02:19:26 AM) hat0: why not?
(02:19:30 AM) hat0: the world needs art
(02:19:34 AM) ijchain: workers should own the means of production
(02:19:45 AM) gavino: ok say they do
(02:19:59 AM) gavino: what if they dont then dig with the shovel but go read poetry
(02:20:01 AM) ijchain: and also most of the productive capacity is mechanised.
(02:20:14 AM) ijchain: so how many people do you think actually swing a shovel these days?
(02:20:15 AM) gavino: and machines procued by giant organzied factories
(02:20:25 AM) gavino: produced
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(02:20:27 AM) ijchain: the factories should be owned by the workers
(02:21:00 AM) gavino: ok so governmetn nationalize say AMD
(02:21:09 AM) gavino: I mean with TARP funds probly could eh
(02:21:24 AM) gavino: then make chips nicer and distribute adn put intel outa biz
(02:21:29 AM) ijchain: ok.
(02:21:32 AM) gavino: odly appealing idea actually
(02:21:35 AM) gavino: ;)
(02:21:39 AM) hat0: so far so good
(02:21:57 AM) ijchain: except they should buy motorola and put AMD and Intel out of business.
(02:24:31 AM) gavino: motorola?
(02:24:38 AM) gavino: why is that a risc chip?
(02:24:59 AM) ijchain: anything but the x86
(02:26:10 AM) gavino: but can motorola make a chap chip for pc?
(02:26:22 AM) gavino: amd had qud core already does motorola have anything like that?
(02:26:32 AM) gavino: seems its doing phones mostly
(02:26:40 AM) gavino: amd only 6B
(02:26:41 AM) gavino: wow
(02:26:57 AM) gavino: government asked for 150B just last week
(02:27:10 AM) gavino: this week wants 50B for jobless claims, giving money to people not working lol
(02:27:13 AM) gavino: wow
(02:27:40 AM) gavino: why not x86
(02:27:49 AM) gavino: or amd64
(02:28:53 AM) gavino: motorola only 20B
(02:29:08 AM) gavino: so wow instead of tarp government coulda bought amd and motoral
(02:32:41 AM) gavino: housing is big scam
(02:32:57 AM) gavino: government could make nice complexes by zillion and employ lots of people to make them
(02:33:06 AM) gavino: if it said ok every person has an apartment free
(02:33:15 AM) gavino: 100% employment right there
(02:33:48 AM) hat0: yeah that sounds nice
(02:34:50 AM) ijchain: you really did study economics.
(02:35:06 AM) ijchain: I can tell, because you completely modify your conclusions depending on your audience.
(02:35:29 AM) gavino: I find Henry George and marx to be interesting.
(02:35:36 AM) gavino: keynes is a real moron
(02:35:50 AM) gavino: yet most of the big universities are keynesian
(02:35:59 AM) ijchain: orly
(02:36:06 AM) gavino: I guess I am an austrain schooler who is open to some debate.
(02:36:37 AM) ijchain: it's almost as if the past 30 years of voodoo economics and dominance by the chicago school never happened.
(02:36:40 AM) gavino: I think if you have governmetn intervention why not do practical things.
(02:36:57 AM) gavino: but supply side 'vodoo' economics, IS economics
(02:37:23 AM) gavino: keynes basically said forget everything, deficit spend, and I will make up some crap to say its economically good
(02:37:28 AM) gavino: like screw it
(02:37:37 AM) gavino: do oppposite of what all economists reccomend
(02:37:43 AM) gavino: spend more than take in
(02:37:57 AM) gavino: now someone thinking that can get a phd
(02:37:59 AM) gavino: amazing
(02:38:01 AM) ijchain: yeah, if they'd only been able to wait until the 1980s, the economic rationalists would have come along and ended the great depression
(02:38:06 AM) gavino: and be called an economist
(02:38:24 AM) gavino: 1980 were biiggest peactime economic expansion in 120 years in usa
(02:38:28 AM) gavino: the reagan miracle worked
(02:38:30 AM) gavino: well
(02:38:53 AM) ijchain: peace time economic expansion. How is that measured?
(02:38:54 AM) gavino: bill clinton in contrast was huge disaster, partially hidden by a internet stock bubble
(02:38:58 AM) gavino: in real growth
(02:39:05 AM) ijchain: of GDP?
(02:39:13 AM) gavino: higher wages, low inflation and real growth in production and buying power
(02:39:31 AM) gavino: GDP accounting for inflation
(02:39:55 AM) ijchain: so it's measured by GDP?
(02:40:36 AM) ijchain: If I buy a new car on credit, then crash it into a house, knock it off its foundations, and put myself in hospital, I've added to GDP, correct?
(02:41:20 AM) ijchain: first by borrowing, then by consuming, then by creating an opportunity for a builder, an ER crew, and all kinds of medical supply companies.
(02:41:51 AM) gavino: At the end of his administration, the Nation was enjoying its longest recorded period of peacetime prosperity without recession or depression.
(02:41:58 AM) ijchain: a single car crash can add maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars to GDP. Is that correct?
(02:41:59 AM) gavino: http://technoninja.blogspot.com/2008/11/ronald-reagan-was-awesome.html
(02:42:19 AM) gavino: not sure
(02:42:33 AM) gavino: gross domestic product counts everything produced in the state
(02:42:36 AM) ijchain: I think that the scenario I outlined is nett positive to GDP.
(02:42:41 AM) gavino: you didnt produce the car
(02:42:54 AM) gavino: economics is about production, not demand
(02:43:11 AM) gavino: unlimite wants, finite resources for production
(02:43:40 AM) ijchain: I didn't produce the car, true, but by wrecking it I haven't reduced GDP.
(02:43:49 AM) gavino: ya not counted
(02:43:55 AM) gavino: you goto work and produce something
(02:44:05 AM) gavino: you are given soem money by owner
(02:44:11 AM) gavino: you then trade for commodities
(02:44:13 AM) ijchain: GDP is increased by car crashes.
(02:44:16 AM) gavino: produced by others
(02:44:18 AM) gavino: nope
(02:44:20 AM) gavino: its not
(02:44:28 AM) gavino: crashes dont count atoll
(02:44:39 AM) ijchain: Every crash consumes services.
(02:44:48 AM) gavino: economics isnt consumption
(02:44:51 AM) gavino: its production
(02:44:57 AM) ijchain: those services, the production of them, contributes to GDP.
(02:45:04 AM) gavino: and decisions about what to produce in finite world
(02:45:14 AM) gavino: the car produced by say ford yes
(02:45:17 AM) gavino: counts to gdp
(02:45:28 AM) ijchain: services don't count to gdp?
(02:45:38 AM) gavino: the engineering servies, accounting services
(02:45:42 AM) gavino: ford uses
(02:45:46 AM) gavino: to produce ya
(02:45:49 AM) ijchain: medical services
(02:46:00 AM) gavino: well thats medical manufacturers
(02:46:01 AM) ijchain: so cancer contributes to GDP
(02:46:08 AM) gavino: no no
(02:46:13 AM) ijchain: sure
(02:46:14 AM) gavino: think of production
(02:46:32 AM) ijchain: I'm thinking of the production of services which are measured as contribution to GDP.
(02:47:02 AM) ijchain: GDP doesn't just measure hard goods
(02:47:07 AM) ijchain: or am I mistaken?
(02:47:22 AM) hat0: what _is_ production, if it isn't all these things colin is saying?
(02:47:38 AM) ijchain: oncologists' services contribute to GDP.
(02:48:10 AM) ijchain: My point is that GDP isn't much of a measure of wellbeing.
(02:48:24 AM) gavino: woa huge jump of logic
(02:48:28 AM) gavino: WOA nelly
(02:48:34 AM) ijchain: production of cigarettes, another contributor.
(02:48:34 AM) gavino: lol
(02:48:52 AM) ijchain: it's not true? oncologists don't contribute to GDP?
(02:49:21 AM) gavino: medical services to contribute of course
(02:49:36 AM) ijchain: How about ... I take a company, I carve it up and sell the bits for more than the whole was valued at. The companies cease to trade, after a time.
(02:49:41 AM) ijchain: That all contributes to GDP.
(02:49:50 AM) gavino: mmmmm so so
(02:49:51 AM) ijchain: as do the share traders' fees.
(02:50:09 AM) ijchain: How about ... I create an asset bubble in real estate ...
(02:50:17 AM) ijchain: I charge fees for the repackaging of debt.
(02:50:19 AM) gavino: whats wild is 70% of usa government spending is welfare
(02:50:28 AM) ijchain: I increase demand, thereby increasing 'value'
(02:50:34 AM) ijchain: The increased 'value' contributes to GDP.
(02:50:49 AM) ijchain: GDP isn't a good measure of wellbeing.
(02:51:19 AM) gavino: see when get into quasi governmetn financial sectors remember you cant blame market, cuz its all government setup, currency and its evil are governmetn, then coprorations ar eliek corrupted leeches, but please dont blame the marekt for those nukes
(02:51:44 AM) ijchain: Yeah, Enron was a government plot.
(02:51:46 AM) gavino: the housing problem was caused by government, not markets
(02:51:56 AM) gavino: energy regulation
(02:52:09 AM) gavino: or lack thereof
(02:52:17 AM) gavino: enrons biggest customer: governments
(02:52:31 AM) gavino: how enron get money? governemtn goons bought from it
(02:52:31 AM) ijchain: I think more regulation is in order.
(02:52:34 AM) gavino: not consumers
(02:52:37 AM) gavino: inside job
(02:52:50 AM) gavino: not jsut more but real and effective
(02:52:58 AM) ijchain: yep.
(02:53:03 AM) gavino: basic idea is consumer isnt na idiot he wont buy bullshit
(02:53:10 AM) gavino: he will say nah ill goto other competitor
(02:53:17 AM) ijchain: that's why pet rocks were never produced.
(02:53:23 AM) gavino: but governemtn can force zillion to buy a glass of liquid shit
(02:53:25 AM) gavino: en amsse
(02:53:34 AM) ijchain: it's also why Fox News went out of business.
(02:53:45 AM) gavino: fox makes zillions a year
(02:53:55 AM) gavino: orilly #1 show on cable 9 years
(02:54:03 AM) gavino: fox bought myspace
(02:54:10 AM) ijchain: it's also why Windows disappeared from PCs.
(02:54:20 AM) ijchain: because consumers won't buy shit.
(02:54:26 AM) ijchain: unless the government forces them to.
(02:54:27 AM) gavino: windows isnt shit
(02:54:37 AM) gavino: its great gui os for non tek guy
(02:54:47 AM) gavino: peple hand him 300$ for win7
(02:54:49 AM) gavino: no gun to thier head
(02:54:57 AM) gavino: people hand gates billions
(02:55:06 AM) ijchain: | basic idea is consumer isnt na idiot he wont buy bullshit
(02:55:13 AM) gavino: right
(02:55:15 AM) ijchain: basic idea is demonstrably false.
(02:55:22 AM) gavino: demonstrate please
(02:55:32 AM) ijchain: Windows, O'Reilly, Pet Rocks.
(02:55:43 AM) gavino: oreilly is awesome I watched him other night
(02:55:49 AM) gavino: windows is graet for my vidgame pc
(02:55:52 AM) ijchain: Yeah. Awesome.
(02:55:54 AM) gavino: and good for my mom
(02:55:59 AM) ijchain: Glenn Beck ... also awesome.
(02:56:02 AM) gavino: im telling you its a competitive winner
(02:56:06 AM) gavino: i watched beck today
(02:56:09 AM) gavino: it was great
(02:56:22 AM) gavino: 400B going to fannie may and fredd mac, 400B each
(02:56:28 AM) gavino: after they caused 2008
(02:56:30 AM) ijchain: bear with me a second, wrt beck
(02:56:32 AM) gavino: genius obama
(02:56:40 AM) gavino: beck show interesting
(02:56:46 AM) gavino: first time I watched it
(02:56:52 AM) gavino: pretty cool
(02:57:16 AM) gavino: sure
(02:57:21 AM) gavino: what about beck
(02:58:32 AM) ijchain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aEk864YrKw
(02:58:42 AM) gavino: on linux no 'tube
(02:58:44 AM) gavino: lol
(02:59:14 AM) gavino: in terms of ideas? did he say some crazy overly christian crap or something?
(02:59:16 AM) ijchain: 1:11
(02:59:22 AM) gavino: no youtube on linux!
(02:59:48 AM) gavino: reason Im not a republican is the religious gooniness
(03:01:15 AM) ***ijchain colin notes he's on linux, watching youtube
(03:01:45 AM) gavino: I didnt setup ALSA yet
(03:01:51 AM) gavino: so no sound
(03:02:06 AM) gavino: so what did beck say
(03:02:46 AM) ijchain: it was a homage to something and something and stuff
(03:04:50 AM) gavino: I wonder what someone would say if I blogged somewhere that for only 6B the us government could buy amd and make a government chip.
(03:05:02 AM) gavino: I mean thats nothing.
(03:05:51 AM) gavino: then government expands amd, hires zillions of unemplyed to be tekkies, and solves unemplyemnt while expanding a cool product
(03:06:17 AM) gavino: that to me would eb good side of central big gov types like obama
(03:06:20 AM) gavino: be-
(03:06:23 AM) ijchain: ok, and put Beck on the 3 dollar note. I have other stuff to do.
(03:06:47 AM) gavino: well i have no concept of what idea you were getting at
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(03:07:25 AM) ijchain: Beck is a loon. O'Reilly is also a loon. People watch this. It is shit. The government doesn't force them.
(03:08:22 AM) gavino: in your opinion
(03:08:28 AM) gavino: see you might not liek wine
(03:08:32 AM) gavino: while some love it
(03:08:47 AM) gavino: I think obama and jon stewart loons
(03:08:54 AM) ijchain: Beck is not wine. Beck is shit.
(03:08:54 AM) gavino: and ben bernanake a criminal
(03:08:59 AM) gavino: why
(03:09:08 AM) ijchain: watch the clip.
(03:09:09 AM) gavino: what crazy idea did he spew?
(03:09:24 AM) gavino: what is the core idea of what he said
(03:09:46 AM) ijchain: have you seen Network?
(03:10:02 AM) gavino: no
(03:10:21 AM) ijchain: ok. have you seen The Shining?
(03:10:25 AM) gavino: yep
(03:10:34 AM) gavino: but again I am waiting for the IDEA that is bad
(03:10:37 AM) gavino: what IDEA
(03:10:44 AM) ijchain: Right. What idea was the Jack Nicholson character espousing?
(03:11:29 AM) gavino: idea of that character? well he starts trying to provide for family with cushy cool job, then he goes bonker and wants to axe them
(03:11:42 AM) gavino: he goes mad
(03:12:08 AM) ijchain: Right. What idea was he espousing?
(03:12:13 AM) gavino: none
(03:12:20 AM) gavino: he goes mad
(03:12:23 AM) ijchain: Ok. Same with Beck.
(03:12:24 AM) gavino: no ideology
(03:12:28 AM) ijchain: Complete mentalist.
(03:13:14 AM) ijchain: Jack Nicholson but someone took away his axe and put him in front of a camera in a suit.
(03:13:24 AM) ijchain: babbling lunatic.
(03:13:35 AM) gavino: he seems to have a theme: small government, and deficit is bad
(03:13:50 AM) ijchain: yeah, and 'all work and no play makes jack a dull boy'
(03:13:53 AM) ijchain: that's a theme.
(03:14:27 AM) ijchain: mentalist
(03:15:37 AM) gavino: yet hes on tv making ton of $
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(03:15:59 AM) gavino: and today had interesting show about obama and co iving 800B to freddy+fannie
(03:16:30 AM) ***ijchain de has left
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(03:16:35 AM) gavino: and a bit about how the tarp is 700B even if they already gave 100B away, tarp get reset, without anyone saying hey then its 800b
(03:16:37 AM) gavino: scary
(03:16:56 AM) gavino: like tarp could grow to 1300B
(03:17:04 AM) gavino: any they not admit it
(03:17:08 AM) gavino: scary
(03:17:18 AM) gavino: 12Trillion deficit
(03:17:32 AM) gavino: they just cant cap government spending
(03:17:40 AM) gavino: and pay off deficit
(03:18:44 AM) gavino: in australia how do they do things?
(03:18:55 AM) gavino: is health care free there?
(03:19:02 AM) ijchain: near enough
(03:19:05 AM) gavino: how bad are taxes?
(03:19:10 AM) ijchain: not very
(03:19:18 AM) gavino: how possible? how pay the doc?
(03:19:34 AM) gavino: do they have insurance middle men sucking out less blood?
(03:19:41 AM) gavino: less lawyers sucking blood?
(03:19:58 AM) ijchain: well, for one thing we regulate the sale price of pharmaceuticals
(03:20:34 AM) ijchain: the government negotiates for pharmaceuticals and requires a reasonable price and proof of efficacy
(03:20:44 AM) gavino: thats freakin awesome
(03:20:56 AM) ijchain: it works quite well.
(03:21:00 AM) gavino: I as a libertarian would vote for anyone who wants to do it
(03:21:06 AM) gavino: so its single payer?
(03:21:19 AM) ijchain: so well that the US government tried to get us to remove the scheme as a condition of the 'free trade agreement'
(03:21:26 AM) gavino: what the fuck
(03:21:36 AM) gavino: on what grounds?
(03:21:50 AM) ijchain: the grounds that US pharmaceutical companies don't like it.
(03:22:01 AM) gavino: wha tif a pharma company sells direct to public above the government price? illegal?
(03:22:18 AM) gavino: and says wont sell to autrailian governemnt
(03:22:21 AM) ijchain: You can buy direct, but you don't get the subsidised price. So it costs way more.
(03:22:24 AM) gavino: are there no private hospitals?
(03:22:30 AM) ijchain: If it won't sell, then it won't sell.
(03:22:41 AM) gavino: well say thre is wonder drug X
(03:22:45 AM) gavino: and everyone wants it
(03:22:52 AM) gavino: and pharam says no to governemtn
(03:22:54 AM) ijchain: then they can prove it, and justify the price, else no sale.
(03:22:57 AM) gavino: then sells at 100$ a pill
(03:23:03 AM) ijchain: it's never happened.
(03:23:11 AM) gavino: ah so its illegal for them to sell outside governemtn monopoly
(03:23:15 AM) gavino: ok
(03:23:20 AM) gavino: single payer style
(03:23:20 AM) ijchain: No, they can sell.
(03:23:38 AM) gavino: well if must prove then government has the final word
(03:23:46 AM) ijchain: but anyone who buys has to pay the full price, the price the pharmaceutical company asks.
(03:24:05 AM) gavino: hm
(03:24:16 AM) ijchain: it's called the PBS. Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme.
(03:24:27 AM) ijchain: You pay a nominated amount, a scheduled amount, for a drug.
(03:24:31 AM) gavino: how long have they ha dit?
(03:24:45 AM) ijchain: .gov.au ensures that the price is reasonable.
(03:24:53 AM) gavino: that is quite cool
(03:24:58 AM) ijchain: For 30 years, I guess.
(03:25:00 AM) gavino: I think pharma corps gouge people
(03:25:13 AM) ijchain: of course they do, if the government lets them.
(03:25:14 AM) gavino: so every citizen get health coverage?
(03:25:18 AM) ijchain: Yes.
(03:25:26 AM) ijchain: And of a reasonably high standard.
(03:25:28 AM) gavino: what about school is school free?
(03:25:28 AM) hat0: you live in a civilized place, colin
(03:25:33 AM) ijchain: Yes.
(03:25:39 AM) ijchain: in that regard, certainly.
(03:25:43 AM) gavino: including say getting an MBA?
(03:25:56 AM) ijchain: I look at the yanks, and I have no idea what you guys complain about.
(03:26:26 AM) gavino: where do you live hat
(03:26:27 AM) gavino: ?
(03:26:29 AM) ijchain: School is free, yes. Uni is reasonably cheap.
(03:26:41 AM) gavino: reasonibly?
(03:26:47 AM) hat0: gavino, did you read the recent economist article about how the mba is falling out of fashion?
(03:26:56 AM) gavino: I never read the economist
(03:27:01 AM) gavino: too euro commy for me
(03:27:08 AM) ijchain: there's a fee, it's on a fixed price no interest loan from the gov, which they take out as tax when/if your income reaches a given level.
(03:27:10 AM) hat0: too bad
(03:27:18 AM) gavino: wow
(03:27:33 AM) gavino: australia sounds like good place to get ahead
(03:27:36 AM) ijchain: it seems to work tolerably well.
(03:27:47 AM) gavino: do many people get MBA? or advnaced degree in comp sci
(03:27:47 AM) ijchain: it could be better, of course.
(03:27:48 AM) gavino: ?
(03:27:55 AM) ijchain: I've no idea of the figures.
(03:28:11 AM) gavino: do australian univerity come out with new proramming lanugaes or breakthroughs from time to time?
(03:28:21 AM) gavino: I think haskell was from univeristy of scotland or something?
(03:28:37 AM) gavino: what was the reasoning in the article hat?
(03:28:54 AM) ijchain: well, the CSIRO has a patent on wifi that's making 'em billions.
(03:28:58 AM) gavino: big companies seem to love to hire mba
(03:29:04 AM) ijchain: anyway, I have RL things to do now.
(03:29:13 AM) gavino: like?
(03:29:16 AM) gavino: play wow?
(03:29:17 AM) gavino: ;)
(03:29:32 AM) gavino: CSIRO? whats that
(01:29:35 AM) azathoth99: many times many ways mery xmas
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(01:36:28 AM) hat0: christmas is a special time of year, a time when people from all religions, from all walks of life, can come together and worship jesus christ
(01:42:08 AM) ijchain:
(01:44:38 AM) azathoth99: monarchy might be better after what I have seen under the obama regime
(01:45:14 AM) azathoth99: I mean why would monarchy be so bad?
(01:45:45 AM) ijchain:
(01:45:56 AM) azathoth99: avatar gets A on yahoo movies, why do I no longer trust yahoo movies?
(01:46:03 AM) azathoth99: well how so?
(01:46:15 AM) azathoth99: obama has more war and more debt and more unemployemnt
(01:46:19 AM) azathoth99: I want george back!
(01:49:22 AM) ijchain:
(01:51:25 AM) azathoth99: gfc?
(01:51:57 AM) azathoth99: well obama could liek end the wars, bring troosp home, and buidl wind and soalr power
(01:52:03 AM) hat0: haha, azathoth99, not an obama fan?
(01:52:08 AM) azathoth99: hire unemployed and train em to be solar and wind engineers
(01:52:12 AM) azathoth99: hell no
(01:52:48 AM) hat0: are you sure you know what the "president" can do?
(01:52:55 AM) hat0: like, what his special magic elected powers are?
(01:53:12 AM) azathoth99: yep, one is called VETO
(01:53:59 AM) hat0: he will apply VETO to build wind and solar power, hire unemployed
(01:54:11 AM) azathoth99: thats the problem
(01:54:12 AM) ijchain:
(01:54:19 AM) hat0: it seems you've thought this one out through and through
(01:54:28 AM) azathoth99: wind n solar would add energy to grid, and pay for self in few years
(01:54:48 AM) azathoth99: colin are you australian I forget?
(01:54:58 AM) ijchain:
(01:55:01 AM) azathoth99: oh I was an economics major
(01:55:08 AM) azathoth99: I think about this stuff too much
(01:55:20 AM) hat0: obviously
(01:55:33 AM) azathoth99: the housing nuke was cuased by governmetn funny money
(01:55:38 AM) azathoth99: as was the great depression
(01:55:44 AM) azathoth99: rest flows from those 2 facts
(01:55:45 AM) hat0: would you like to bring back the gold standard?
(01:55:47 AM) ijchain:
(01:55:49 AM) azathoth99: yes
(01:55:51 AM) azathoth99: I would
(01:55:52 AM) hat0: hahahaha
(01:55:57 AM) hat0: can someone op me?
(01:56:13 AM) azathoth99: what wan my nick
(01:56:21 AM) azathoth99: Im on new pc in moms house 3000 mile from home
(01:56:28 AM) azathoth99: running linux no less
(01:56:28 AM) hat0: gavino?
(01:56:43 AM) ***ijchain colin nods
(01:56:57 AM) azathoth99: bambino!
(01:58:19 AM) azathoth99: VETO bailout, veto war, veto health without single payer
(01:58:25 AM) azathoth99: veto tarp
(01:58:42 AM) azathoth99: end fed
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(01:58:51 AM) azathoth99: basics
(01:59:04 AM) azathoth99: maybe gore shoulda run
(01:59:09 AM) azathoth99: gore might be more rational
(01:59:09 AM) hat0: "end fed" haha
(01:59:13 AM) hat0: i like how you kinda slipped that one in there
(01:59:24 AM) azathoth99: well any normal person would
(01:59:27 AM) hat0: wait, wait, the irs isn't constitutional, either
(01:59:30 AM) azathoth99: its source of legal crime
(01:59:33 AM) hat0: the 16th amendment was never properly ratified!!
(01:59:51 AM) azathoth99: well if you go that far neither is public eduction
(01:59:53 AM) hat0: wesley snipes is a political prisoner
(02:00:02 AM) azathoth99: or cap gains taxes
(02:00:05 AM) azathoth99: or death
(02:00:07 AM) azathoth99: etc.
(02:00:25 AM) hat0: man you guys are great
(02:06:39 AM) azathoth99: I dont understand other ideology
(02:07:13 AM) azathoth99: I had a friend who was a marxist professor, and old guy, and I didnt udnerstand how he would do things if e had the power
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(02:09:32 AM) hat0: maybe he wouldn't do a very good job
(02:10:00 AM) ijchain:
(02:10:26 AM) ijchain:
(02:10:51 AM) ijchain:
(02:10:55 AM) You are now known as gavino
(02:11:00 AM) gavino: ok
(02:11:08 AM) ijchain:
(02:11:27 AM) gavino: 3 2 1 ..
(02:11:38 AM) ijchain:
(02:12:02 AM) gavino: amazing I am not banner
(02:12:05 AM) gavino: banned
(02:12:34 AM) ijchain:
(02:12:44 AM) gavino: hat0 what do you think is a good system of government, I can switch to talking about software if this is too offtop, butI find it interesting
(02:14:00 AM) gavino: colin compiments on wub
(02:14:09 AM) gavino: looks like it is growing strong
(02:14:15 AM) ijchain:
(02:14:54 AM) hat0: gavino i'm a communist. in fact, if there were a level beyond communist, that's me. i'm a firm believer in a strong central government that tends to the needs of its people.
(02:15:20 AM) gavino: and entrepreneurs? those who say would work 3 times as much for 3x the $$?
(02:15:37 AM) ijchain:
(02:15:51 AM) hat0: i'd send them to the mines
(02:16:02 AM) ijchain:
(02:16:15 AM) ijchain:
(02:16:23 AM) gavino: so what happens when no one does anything
(02:16:40 AM) hat0: yeah, "work 3 times as much" is some sort of unpleasant fiction - they work no harder than anyone, they just skim off the top of others' work.
(02:16:51 AM) gavino: everyone slacks, yet gov has to give each his supplies, yet none have been produced
(02:16:53 AM) gavino: ..
(02:16:56 AM) ijchain:
(02:17:03 AM) hat0: but why would that happen, gavino? why would no one do anything?
(02:17:10 AM) ijchain:
(02:17:19 AM) gavino: cuz rather play vid games
(02:17:31 AM) gavino: smoke weed
(02:17:33 AM) gavino: have sex
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(02:17:38 AM) ijchain:
(02:17:43 AM) gavino: lol
(02:17:54 AM) gavino: I mean if governmetn provies why get outa bed in morning?
(02:18:07 AM) ijchain:
(02:18:17 AM) gavino: I too would get bored and go do something.
(02:18:31 AM) hat0: i'd get out of bed in the morning, too.
(02:18:41 AM) ijchain:
(02:18:51 AM) gavino: how define one?
(02:18:54 AM) ijchain:
(02:18:56 AM) hat0: i really don't see why people would stop doing things, just because they're no longer terrified of starving to death.
(02:19:01 AM) gavino: what if someone thinks they should be paid for rap music
(02:19:19 AM) gavino: or poetry
(02:19:26 AM) hat0: why not?
(02:19:30 AM) hat0: the world needs art
(02:19:34 AM) ijchain:
(02:19:45 AM) gavino: ok say they do
(02:19:59 AM) gavino: what if they dont then dig with the shovel but go read poetry
(02:20:01 AM) ijchain:
(02:20:14 AM) ijchain:
(02:20:15 AM) gavino: and machines procued by giant organzied factories
(02:20:25 AM) gavino: produced
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(02:20:27 AM) ijchain:
(02:21:00 AM) gavino: ok so governmetn nationalize say AMD
(02:21:09 AM) gavino: I mean with TARP funds probly could eh
(02:21:24 AM) gavino: then make chips nicer and distribute adn put intel outa biz
(02:21:29 AM) ijchain:
(02:21:32 AM) gavino: odly appealing idea actually
(02:21:35 AM) gavino: ;)
(02:21:39 AM) hat0: so far so good
(02:21:57 AM) ijchain:
(02:24:31 AM) gavino: motorola?
(02:24:38 AM) gavino: why is that a risc chip?
(02:24:59 AM) ijchain:
(02:26:10 AM) gavino: but can motorola make a chap chip for pc?
(02:26:22 AM) gavino: amd had qud core already does motorola have anything like that?
(02:26:32 AM) gavino: seems its doing phones mostly
(02:26:40 AM) gavino: amd only 6B
(02:26:41 AM) gavino: wow
(02:26:57 AM) gavino: government asked for 150B just last week
(02:27:10 AM) gavino: this week wants 50B for jobless claims, giving money to people not working lol
(02:27:13 AM) gavino: wow
(02:27:40 AM) gavino: why not x86
(02:27:49 AM) gavino: or amd64
(02:28:53 AM) gavino: motorola only 20B
(02:29:08 AM) gavino: so wow instead of tarp government coulda bought amd and motoral
(02:32:41 AM) gavino: housing is big scam
(02:32:57 AM) gavino: government could make nice complexes by zillion and employ lots of people to make them
(02:33:06 AM) gavino: if it said ok every person has an apartment free
(02:33:15 AM) gavino: 100% employment right there
(02:33:48 AM) hat0: yeah that sounds nice
(02:34:50 AM) ijchain:
(02:35:06 AM) ijchain:
(02:35:29 AM) gavino: I find Henry George and marx to be interesting.
(02:35:36 AM) gavino: keynes is a real moron
(02:35:50 AM) gavino: yet most of the big universities are keynesian
(02:35:59 AM) ijchain:
(02:36:06 AM) gavino: I guess I am an austrain schooler who is open to some debate.
(02:36:37 AM) ijchain:
(02:36:40 AM) gavino: I think if you have governmetn intervention why not do practical things.
(02:36:57 AM) gavino: but supply side 'vodoo' economics, IS economics
(02:37:23 AM) gavino: keynes basically said forget everything, deficit spend, and I will make up some crap to say its economically good
(02:37:28 AM) gavino: like screw it
(02:37:37 AM) gavino: do oppposite of what all economists reccomend
(02:37:43 AM) gavino: spend more than take in
(02:37:57 AM) gavino: now someone thinking that can get a phd
(02:37:59 AM) gavino: amazing
(02:38:01 AM) ijchain:
(02:38:06 AM) gavino: and be called an economist
(02:38:24 AM) gavino: 1980 were biiggest peactime economic expansion in 120 years in usa
(02:38:28 AM) gavino: the reagan miracle worked
(02:38:30 AM) gavino: well
(02:38:53 AM) ijchain:
(02:38:54 AM) gavino: bill clinton in contrast was huge disaster, partially hidden by a internet stock bubble
(02:38:58 AM) gavino: in real growth
(02:39:05 AM) ijchain:
(02:39:13 AM) gavino: higher wages, low inflation and real growth in production and buying power
(02:39:31 AM) gavino: GDP accounting for inflation
(02:39:55 AM) ijchain:
(02:40:36 AM) ijchain:
(02:41:20 AM) ijchain:
(02:41:51 AM) gavino: At the end of his administration, the Nation was enjoying its longest recorded period of peacetime prosperity without recession or depression.
(02:41:58 AM) ijchain:
(02:41:59 AM) gavino: http://technoninja.blogspot.com/2008/11/ronald-reagan-was-awesome.html
(02:42:19 AM) gavino: not sure
(02:42:33 AM) gavino: gross domestic product counts everything produced in the state
(02:42:36 AM) ijchain:
(02:42:41 AM) gavino: you didnt produce the car
(02:42:54 AM) gavino: economics is about production, not demand
(02:43:11 AM) gavino: unlimite wants, finite resources for production
(02:43:40 AM) ijchain:
(02:43:49 AM) gavino: ya not counted
(02:43:55 AM) gavino: you goto work and produce something
(02:44:05 AM) gavino: you are given soem money by owner
(02:44:11 AM) gavino: you then trade for commodities
(02:44:13 AM) ijchain:
(02:44:16 AM) gavino: produced by others
(02:44:18 AM) gavino: nope
(02:44:20 AM) gavino: its not
(02:44:28 AM) gavino: crashes dont count atoll
(02:44:39 AM) ijchain:
(02:44:48 AM) gavino: economics isnt consumption
(02:44:51 AM) gavino: its production
(02:44:57 AM) ijchain:
(02:45:04 AM) gavino: and decisions about what to produce in finite world
(02:45:14 AM) gavino: the car produced by say ford yes
(02:45:17 AM) gavino: counts to gdp
(02:45:28 AM) ijchain:
(02:45:38 AM) gavino: the engineering servies, accounting services
(02:45:42 AM) gavino: ford uses
(02:45:46 AM) gavino: to produce ya
(02:45:49 AM) ijchain:
(02:46:00 AM) gavino: well thats medical manufacturers
(02:46:01 AM) ijchain:
(02:46:08 AM) gavino: no no
(02:46:13 AM) ijchain:
(02:46:14 AM) gavino: think of production
(02:46:32 AM) ijchain:
(02:47:02 AM) ijchain:
(02:47:07 AM) ijchain:
(02:47:22 AM) hat0: what _is_ production, if it isn't all these things colin is saying?
(02:47:38 AM) ijchain:
(02:48:10 AM) ijchain:
(02:48:24 AM) gavino: woa huge jump of logic
(02:48:28 AM) gavino: WOA nelly
(02:48:34 AM) ijchain:
(02:48:34 AM) gavino: lol
(02:48:52 AM) ijchain:
(02:49:21 AM) gavino: medical services to contribute of course
(02:49:36 AM) ijchain:
(02:49:41 AM) ijchain:
(02:49:50 AM) gavino: mmmmm so so
(02:49:51 AM) ijchain:
(02:50:09 AM) ijchain:
(02:50:17 AM) ijchain:
(02:50:19 AM) gavino: whats wild is 70% of usa government spending is welfare
(02:50:28 AM) ijchain:
(02:50:34 AM) ijchain:
(02:50:49 AM) ijchain:
(02:51:19 AM) gavino: see when get into quasi governmetn financial sectors remember you cant blame market, cuz its all government setup, currency and its evil are governmetn, then coprorations ar eliek corrupted leeches, but please dont blame the marekt for those nukes
(02:51:44 AM) ijchain:
(02:51:46 AM) gavino: the housing problem was caused by government, not markets
(02:51:56 AM) gavino: energy regulation
(02:52:09 AM) gavino: or lack thereof
(02:52:17 AM) gavino: enrons biggest customer: governments
(02:52:31 AM) gavino: how enron get money? governemtn goons bought from it
(02:52:31 AM) ijchain:
(02:52:34 AM) gavino: not consumers
(02:52:37 AM) gavino: inside job
(02:52:50 AM) gavino: not jsut more but real and effective
(02:52:58 AM) ijchain:
(02:53:03 AM) gavino: basic idea is consumer isnt na idiot he wont buy bullshit
(02:53:10 AM) gavino: he will say nah ill goto other competitor
(02:53:17 AM) ijchain:
(02:53:23 AM) gavino: but governemtn can force zillion to buy a glass of liquid shit
(02:53:25 AM) gavino: en amsse
(02:53:34 AM) ijchain:
(02:53:45 AM) gavino: fox makes zillions a year
(02:53:55 AM) gavino: orilly #1 show on cable 9 years
(02:54:03 AM) gavino: fox bought myspace
(02:54:10 AM) ijchain:
(02:54:20 AM) ijchain:
(02:54:26 AM) ijchain:
(02:54:27 AM) gavino: windows isnt shit
(02:54:37 AM) gavino: its great gui os for non tek guy
(02:54:47 AM) gavino: peple hand him 300$ for win7
(02:54:49 AM) gavino: no gun to thier head
(02:54:57 AM) gavino: people hand gates billions
(02:55:06 AM) ijchain:
(02:55:13 AM) gavino: right
(02:55:15 AM) ijchain:
(02:55:22 AM) gavino: demonstrate please
(02:55:32 AM) ijchain:
(02:55:43 AM) gavino: oreilly is awesome I watched him other night
(02:55:49 AM) gavino: windows is graet for my vidgame pc
(02:55:52 AM) ijchain:
(02:55:54 AM) gavino: and good for my mom
(02:55:59 AM) ijchain:
(02:56:02 AM) gavino: im telling you its a competitive winner
(02:56:06 AM) gavino: i watched beck today
(02:56:09 AM) gavino: it was great
(02:56:22 AM) gavino: 400B going to fannie may and fredd mac, 400B each
(02:56:28 AM) gavino: after they caused 2008
(02:56:30 AM) ijchain:
(02:56:32 AM) gavino: genius obama
(02:56:40 AM) gavino: beck show interesting
(02:56:46 AM) gavino: first time I watched it
(02:56:52 AM) gavino: pretty cool
(02:57:16 AM) gavino: sure
(02:57:21 AM) gavino: what about beck
(02:58:32 AM) ijchain:
(02:58:42 AM) gavino: on linux no 'tube
(02:58:44 AM) gavino: lol
(02:59:14 AM) gavino: in terms of ideas? did he say some crazy overly christian crap or something?
(02:59:16 AM) ijchain:
(02:59:22 AM) gavino: no youtube on linux!
(02:59:48 AM) gavino: reason Im not a republican is the religious gooniness
(03:01:15 AM) ***ijchain colin notes he's on linux, watching youtube
(03:01:45 AM) gavino: I didnt setup ALSA yet
(03:01:51 AM) gavino: so no sound
(03:02:06 AM) gavino: so what did beck say
(03:02:46 AM) ijchain:
(03:04:50 AM) gavino: I wonder what someone would say if I blogged somewhere that for only 6B the us government could buy amd and make a government chip.
(03:05:02 AM) gavino: I mean thats nothing.
(03:05:51 AM) gavino: then government expands amd, hires zillions of unemplyed to be tekkies, and solves unemplyemnt while expanding a cool product
(03:06:17 AM) gavino: that to me would eb good side of central big gov types like obama
(03:06:20 AM) gavino: be-
(03:06:23 AM) ijchain:
(03:06:47 AM) gavino: well i have no concept of what idea you were getting at
(03:06:47 AM) ***ijchain teo has left
(03:06:47 AM) ***ijchain teo has become available
(03:07:25 AM) ijchain:
(03:08:22 AM) gavino: in your opinion
(03:08:28 AM) gavino: see you might not liek wine
(03:08:32 AM) gavino: while some love it
(03:08:47 AM) gavino: I think obama and jon stewart loons
(03:08:54 AM) ijchain:
(03:08:54 AM) gavino: and ben bernanake a criminal
(03:08:59 AM) gavino: why
(03:09:08 AM) ijchain:
(03:09:09 AM) gavino: what crazy idea did he spew?
(03:09:24 AM) gavino: what is the core idea of what he said
(03:09:46 AM) ijchain:
(03:10:02 AM) gavino: no
(03:10:21 AM) ijchain:
(03:10:25 AM) gavino: yep
(03:10:34 AM) gavino: but again I am waiting for the IDEA that is bad
(03:10:37 AM) gavino: what IDEA
(03:10:44 AM) ijchain:
(03:11:29 AM) gavino: idea of that character? well he starts trying to provide for family with cushy cool job, then he goes bonker and wants to axe them
(03:11:42 AM) gavino: he goes mad
(03:12:08 AM) ijchain:
(03:12:13 AM) gavino: none
(03:12:20 AM) gavino: he goes mad
(03:12:23 AM) ijchain:
(03:12:24 AM) gavino: no ideology
(03:12:28 AM) ijchain:
(03:13:14 AM) ijchain:
(03:13:24 AM) ijchain:
(03:13:35 AM) gavino: he seems to have a theme: small government, and deficit is bad
(03:13:50 AM) ijchain:
(03:13:53 AM) ijchain:
(03:14:27 AM) ijchain:
(03:15:37 AM) gavino: yet hes on tv making ton of $
(03:15:46 AM) chromebel [n=andrew@mm-168-182-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] entered the room.
(03:15:59 AM) gavino: and today had interesting show about obama and co iving 800B to freddy+fannie
(03:16:30 AM) ***ijchain de has left
(03:16:31 AM) ***ijchain de has become available
(03:16:35 AM) gavino: and a bit about how the tarp is 700B even if they already gave 100B away, tarp get reset, without anyone saying hey then its 800b
(03:16:37 AM) gavino: scary
(03:16:56 AM) gavino: like tarp could grow to 1300B
(03:17:04 AM) gavino: any they not admit it
(03:17:08 AM) gavino: scary
(03:17:18 AM) gavino: 12Trillion deficit
(03:17:32 AM) gavino: they just cant cap government spending
(03:17:40 AM) gavino: and pay off deficit
(03:18:44 AM) gavino: in australia how do they do things?
(03:18:55 AM) gavino: is health care free there?
(03:19:02 AM) ijchain:
(03:19:05 AM) gavino: how bad are taxes?
(03:19:10 AM) ijchain:
(03:19:18 AM) gavino: how possible? how pay the doc?
(03:19:34 AM) gavino: do they have insurance middle men sucking out less blood?
(03:19:41 AM) gavino: less lawyers sucking blood?
(03:19:58 AM) ijchain:
(03:20:34 AM) ijchain:
(03:20:44 AM) gavino: thats freakin awesome
(03:20:56 AM) ijchain:
(03:21:00 AM) gavino: I as a libertarian would vote for anyone who wants to do it
(03:21:06 AM) gavino: so its single payer?
(03:21:19 AM) ijchain:
(03:21:26 AM) gavino: what the fuck
(03:21:36 AM) gavino: on what grounds?
(03:21:50 AM) ijchain:
(03:22:01 AM) gavino: wha tif a pharma company sells direct to public above the government price? illegal?
(03:22:18 AM) gavino: and says wont sell to autrailian governemnt
(03:22:21 AM) ijchain:
(03:22:24 AM) gavino: are there no private hospitals?
(03:22:30 AM) ijchain:
(03:22:41 AM) gavino: well say thre is wonder drug X
(03:22:45 AM) gavino: and everyone wants it
(03:22:52 AM) gavino: and pharam says no to governemtn
(03:22:54 AM) ijchain:
(03:22:57 AM) gavino: then sells at 100$ a pill
(03:23:03 AM) ijchain:
(03:23:11 AM) gavino: ah so its illegal for them to sell outside governemtn monopoly
(03:23:15 AM) gavino: ok
(03:23:20 AM) gavino: single payer style
(03:23:20 AM) ijchain:
(03:23:38 AM) gavino: well if must prove then government has the final word
(03:23:46 AM) ijchain:
(03:24:05 AM) gavino: hm
(03:24:16 AM) ijchain:
(03:24:27 AM) ijchain:
(03:24:31 AM) gavino: how long have they ha dit?
(03:24:45 AM) ijchain:
(03:24:53 AM) gavino: that is quite cool
(03:24:58 AM) ijchain:
(03:25:00 AM) gavino: I think pharma corps gouge people
(03:25:13 AM) ijchain:
(03:25:14 AM) gavino: so every citizen get health coverage?
(03:25:18 AM) ijchain:
(03:25:26 AM) ijchain:
(03:25:28 AM) gavino: what about school is school free?
(03:25:28 AM) hat0: you live in a civilized place, colin
(03:25:33 AM) ijchain:
(03:25:39 AM) ijchain:
(03:25:43 AM) gavino: including say getting an MBA?
(03:25:56 AM) ijchain:
(03:26:26 AM) gavino: where do you live hat
(03:26:27 AM) gavino: ?
(03:26:29 AM) ijchain:
(03:26:41 AM) gavino: reasonibly?
(03:26:47 AM) hat0: gavino, did you read the recent economist article about how the mba is falling out of fashion?
(03:26:56 AM) gavino: I never read the economist
(03:27:01 AM) gavino: too euro commy for me
(03:27:08 AM) ijchain:
(03:27:10 AM) hat0: too bad
(03:27:18 AM) gavino: wow
(03:27:33 AM) gavino: australia sounds like good place to get ahead
(03:27:36 AM) ijchain:
(03:27:47 AM) gavino: do many people get MBA? or advnaced degree in comp sci
(03:27:47 AM) ijchain:
(03:27:48 AM) gavino: ?
(03:27:55 AM) ijchain:
(03:28:11 AM) gavino: do australian univerity come out with new proramming lanugaes or breakthroughs from time to time?
(03:28:21 AM) gavino: I think haskell was from univeristy of scotland or something?
(03:28:37 AM) gavino: what was the reasoning in the article hat?
(03:28:54 AM) ijchain:
(03:28:58 AM) gavino: big companies seem to love to hire mba
(03:29:04 AM) ijchain:
(03:29:13 AM) gavino: like?
(03:29:16 AM) gavino: play wow?
(03:29:17 AM) gavino: ;)
(03:29:32 AM) gavino: CSIRO? whats that
Saturday, December 19, 2009
time 24 hour 4 gym, 4 learn 16 sleep?
heh
free time = no bitch, cuz could be spending that air on improving body+$$
free time = no bitch, cuz could be spending that air on improving body+$$
ugly kid joke
I was walking home last night when I noticed an old drunk staggering along the road. He passed a woman who was walking a young child. "Lady", said the drunk, "that's the ugliest kid I've ever seen. Damn, that is one ugly child!." As the drunk wandered off, the lady burst into tears. Just then, a mailman came to her rescue. "What's the matter, madam?" he asked. "I've just been horribly insulted" she sobbed. "There there," said the mailman, reaching into his pocket. "Dry your eyes with this tissue, and here's a banana for the chimp"
For this reason communists share the same contempt for liberals that the rest of us do. We both know they are fools.
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The new Pearl Harbor: Safe Schools CZAR pushes pornography on children Print E-mail
Written by James Simpson
Wednesday, 09 December 2009 20:54
D.C. Examiner
Sixty-eight years ago today, Japan launched a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor that brought the United States into World War II. In that historic conflict we defeated Japan and its German Nazi ally four years later at a cost of over 400,000 American lives.
Since before World War II however, we have faced a much more subtle foe - one that in many ways has been more deadly. The foe is an amorphous mass, variably called: "Liberal," "Progressive," "Leftist," "the Left," "the Radical Left," the "New Left," "Communist," "Neo-communist," "Socialist," "Marxist," "Neo-Marxist," even "Marxofascist."
Lest "liberals" take offense at being associated with communists, Marxists and socialists, it can only be said that Lenin referred to them as "useful idiots," i.e. those who knowingly or unknowingly assist communists in achieving communist objectives. For this reason communists share the same contempt for liberals that the rest of us do. We both know they are fools.
So forget liberals. Call the foe the "radical left". It has been the instigator of most of our foreign policy failures, including Vietnam and Korea; failures measured in millions of lives. Practically every public policy failure of the past century, from the healthcare crisis to our addled legal system, from crime-ridden ghettos to failing public schools, can be laid at the feet of the Left.
But many of us have been complicit, in that we either stood idly by, or supported the left's policies because we saw some personal benefit (e.g. welfare payments, housing subsidies, Medicare, etc.) Many politicians have assisted the Left out of cynical calculation, going along to get along, or downright cowardice. Some of us voted for them. Many pitched in and helped because we thought we were doing good - like Teddy Kennedy used to say, "Fighting the good fight."
As a result, today this foe occupies the corridors of power across much of the United States, and has penetrated our government at all levels, corporations, foundations and most tragically, our schools.
One of their latest offensives is the Obama administration's appointment of militant gay activist Kevin Jennings to be the Department of Education's director of the Office of Safe and Drug Free Schools, i.e. the "Safe Schools CZAR."
Jennings' career has largely been dedicated to advancing the radical homosexual agenda. Jennings was a member of the radical group ACT UP, which used violent tactics to push its equally radical AIDS agenda. He helped fund a pornographic ACT UP exhibition at Harvard University's art museum.
Early in his teaching career, Jennings encouraged a teenager who was in a homosexual relationship with an older man. If the boy was underage, as Jennings claimed in a 2000 speech, then Jennings may have violated the law by not reporting statutory rape to authorities. He has since admitted he should have "handled this situation differently" but has also altered the story, now claiming the boy was sixteen, i.e. of legal, consenting age. Surprise, surprise, the boy has come forward to the leftist Media Matters, saying he was sixteen at the time. But actually, the relevant state law requires reporting of sexual activity between an adult and any child less than eighteen years of age.
Finally, Jennings has the singular distinction of being identified in his own words as someone who openly admired National Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) cheerleader, Harry Hay. Hay was a communist homosexual considered to be the "father" of the American gay movement.
Jennings main "qualification" if you want to call it that, is his creation and long-term leadership of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN). According to its website, this group "strives to assure that each member of every school community is valued and respected regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity/expression." It goes on to decry "racism," "sexism," "homophobia," and "heterosexism" as detrimental to "a healthy school climate." (Emphasis added.)
Here is an audio of Jennings angrily accusing schools of "promoting heterosexuality" and "recruiting children to be heterosexuals," citing as evidence, assignment of such literature as Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet.
The charge is of course absurd. Schools have never promoted heterosexuality. Heterosexuality does not require promotion. But that has never been their job anyway. The school's job is to educate and teach children how to learn. Shakespeare isn't widely taught because his works "promote heterosexuality." He is taught for his literary genius.
It is a widely-used communist tactic, however, to attack people, institutions, companies, whatever, for doing what they have always naturally done. This is what Jennings was doing here. Remember Alinsky's Rules for Radicals #3: "Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat."
Because the charge of "promoting heterosexuality" is so completely outside our frame of reference, it puts people on the defensive. It forces people to doubt their actions and attitudes where no doubt existed before. In that doubt, fear and confusion, the speaker offers his "solution" that will make all the doubt and fear go away. This is a standard tactic for manipulating people into agreeing to policies and ideas they would never support otherwise.
It is also part and parcel of the communist Frankfurt School's conspiracy to corrupt the culture and morals of American society, something we have come to know as the "Culture War." Significantly, Jennings outlined his strategy for mainstreaming homosexuality in secondary schools in a 1995 speech titled "Winning the Culture War." He said that it was essential to frame the debate as a "safety issue" rather than a homosexual issue because if his movement was perceived "as preying on children, we will lose."
But that is precisely what they appear to have been doing. A WorldNet Daily article offered inadvertent proof of this in October 2008, before anyone had heard of Kevin Jennings. Ironically the article was about Weather Underground terrorist and Obama friend Bill Ayers' endorsement of a book titled "Queering Elementary Education: Advancing the Dialogue about Sexualities and Schooling." Jennings wrote the foreword.
But Jennings and Ayers have more in common than that. Like Bill Ayers, Jennings organized a fundraiser for candidate Obama. Also in attendance at the Jennings fundraiser, visible in this video link, is Bill Clinton. Hidden from view in the video, but present nonetheless, sitting just to the right of the stairway, is George Soros. A regular rogue's gallery of Crisis Strategy practioners, that gathering.
Now, Scott Baker of Breitbart.tv has published at Gateway Pundit the disturbing evidence that shows exactly how Kevin Jennings and his GLSEN activists advance their homosexual agenda in schools: by peddling child pornography. Warning: some of the links embedded in this article contain foul language and graphic, explicit descriptions of various sex acts, mostly among children, some as young as five.
As the article explains:
GLSEN... strives to influence the educational curriculum to include materials which the group believes will increase tolerance of gay students and decrease bullying. To that end, GLSEN maintains a recommended reading list of books that it claims "furthers our mission to ensure safe schools for all students."
In other words, these are the books that GLSEN's directors think all kids should be reading: gay kids should read them to raise their self-esteem, and straight kids should read them in order to become more aware and tolerant and stop bullying gay kids. Through GLSEN's online ordering system, called "GLSEN BookLink," featured prominently on their Web site, teachers can buy the books to use as required classroom assignments, or students can buy them to read on their own.
The authors ordered some random samples to see what was in the books:
What we discovered shocked us. We were flabbergasted. Rendered speechless. We were unprepared for what we encountered. Book after book after book contained stories and anecdotes that weren't merely X-rated and pornographic, but which featured explicit descriptions of sex acts between pre-schoolers; stories that seemed to promote and recommend child-adult sexual relationships; stories of public masturbation, anal sex in restrooms, affairs between students and teachers, five-year-olds playing sex games, semen flying through the air. One memoir even praised becoming a prostitute as a way to increase one's self-esteem.
The Gateway Pundit article examined eleven books. Excerpts are provided, with photocopied page reproductions proving their authenticity, one with a graphic drawing of two men engaged in anal sex with a Boy Scout and scout master looking on. You are free to peruse them by following the link. These were shown, as the article explained, to present irrefutable proof of what might otherwise seem unbelievable.
As the founder of GSLEN, as a champion of the NAMBLA lifestyle, it is impossible to accept that Kevin Jennings is not aware of the child pornography being peddled by his organization. It requires no stretch of the imagination to believe that he not only approves of this literature, but that it was promoted at his instigation.
Homosexuality brought us the AIDS epidemic, which, as of 2001, had killed 583,293 people. Half of the estimated 40,000 annual AIDS infections are among people under 25. Homosexual teens are more than three times as likely to commit suicide as others in their age group. Homosexuality has bought Western culture deserved contempt, as the West's "sexual tourists," mostly homosexual men, travel the world preying on third world children, spreading and bringing back every description of sexually transmitted disease.
The headlines are awash with stories of sexual predators trafficking in child pornography, abusing, kidnapping and murdering children. The Catholic Church has been scandalized by stories of priests abusing choir boys, shaking that institution to its very foundation.
While these abhorrent, unhealthy, illegal and sometimes deadly activities have landed people extensive jail sentences, it takes the breath away to realize that the person President Barack Obama chose to ensure "safe" public schools spent much of his adult life actively promoting the homosexual lifestyle with child pornography. He should be in jail with the rest of the sexual predators. Instead he has been made gatekeeper to our most prized possession: our children.
The child pornography laws only ban images, and except the one picture noted above, the mass of this is in written form. All the books should be examined closely by law enforcement for sexually explicit images. Leave it to the Holder Justice Department to defend Jennings then.
Jennings is an abomination. This presidency is an abomination. Obama has taken a chain saw to our economy. He has taken a chain saw to our national security. Now he's going after our children. The tide must be turned. The "sleeping giant" aroused to fury by Pearl Harbor must awake again.
These people must be stopped.
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Written by James Simpson
Wednesday, 09 December 2009 20:54
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Sixty-eight years ago today, Japan launched a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor that brought the United States into World War II. In that historic conflict we defeated Japan and its German Nazi ally four years later at a cost of over 400,000 American lives.
Since before World War II however, we have faced a much more subtle foe - one that in many ways has been more deadly. The foe is an amorphous mass, variably called: "Liberal," "Progressive," "Leftist," "the Left," "the Radical Left," the "New Left," "Communist," "Neo-communist," "Socialist," "Marxist," "Neo-Marxist," even "Marxofascist."
Lest "liberals" take offense at being associated with communists, Marxists and socialists, it can only be said that Lenin referred to them as "useful idiots," i.e. those who knowingly or unknowingly assist communists in achieving communist objectives. For this reason communists share the same contempt for liberals that the rest of us do. We both know they are fools.
So forget liberals. Call the foe the "radical left". It has been the instigator of most of our foreign policy failures, including Vietnam and Korea; failures measured in millions of lives. Practically every public policy failure of the past century, from the healthcare crisis to our addled legal system, from crime-ridden ghettos to failing public schools, can be laid at the feet of the Left.
But many of us have been complicit, in that we either stood idly by, or supported the left's policies because we saw some personal benefit (e.g. welfare payments, housing subsidies, Medicare, etc.) Many politicians have assisted the Left out of cynical calculation, going along to get along, or downright cowardice. Some of us voted for them. Many pitched in and helped because we thought we were doing good - like Teddy Kennedy used to say, "Fighting the good fight."
As a result, today this foe occupies the corridors of power across much of the United States, and has penetrated our government at all levels, corporations, foundations and most tragically, our schools.
One of their latest offensives is the Obama administration's appointment of militant gay activist Kevin Jennings to be the Department of Education's director of the Office of Safe and Drug Free Schools, i.e. the "Safe Schools CZAR."
Jennings' career has largely been dedicated to advancing the radical homosexual agenda. Jennings was a member of the radical group ACT UP, which used violent tactics to push its equally radical AIDS agenda. He helped fund a pornographic ACT UP exhibition at Harvard University's art museum.
Early in his teaching career, Jennings encouraged a teenager who was in a homosexual relationship with an older man. If the boy was underage, as Jennings claimed in a 2000 speech, then Jennings may have violated the law by not reporting statutory rape to authorities. He has since admitted he should have "handled this situation differently" but has also altered the story, now claiming the boy was sixteen, i.e. of legal, consenting age. Surprise, surprise, the boy has come forward to the leftist Media Matters, saying he was sixteen at the time. But actually, the relevant state law requires reporting of sexual activity between an adult and any child less than eighteen years of age.
Finally, Jennings has the singular distinction of being identified in his own words as someone who openly admired National Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) cheerleader, Harry Hay. Hay was a communist homosexual considered to be the "father" of the American gay movement.
Jennings main "qualification" if you want to call it that, is his creation and long-term leadership of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN). According to its website, this group "strives to assure that each member of every school community is valued and respected regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity/expression." It goes on to decry "racism," "sexism," "homophobia," and "heterosexism" as detrimental to "a healthy school climate." (Emphasis added.)
Here is an audio of Jennings angrily accusing schools of "promoting heterosexuality" and "recruiting children to be heterosexuals," citing as evidence, assignment of such literature as Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet.
The charge is of course absurd. Schools have never promoted heterosexuality. Heterosexuality does not require promotion. But that has never been their job anyway. The school's job is to educate and teach children how to learn. Shakespeare isn't widely taught because his works "promote heterosexuality." He is taught for his literary genius.
It is a widely-used communist tactic, however, to attack people, institutions, companies, whatever, for doing what they have always naturally done. This is what Jennings was doing here. Remember Alinsky's Rules for Radicals #3: "Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat."
Because the charge of "promoting heterosexuality" is so completely outside our frame of reference, it puts people on the defensive. It forces people to doubt their actions and attitudes where no doubt existed before. In that doubt, fear and confusion, the speaker offers his "solution" that will make all the doubt and fear go away. This is a standard tactic for manipulating people into agreeing to policies and ideas they would never support otherwise.
It is also part and parcel of the communist Frankfurt School's conspiracy to corrupt the culture and morals of American society, something we have come to know as the "Culture War." Significantly, Jennings outlined his strategy for mainstreaming homosexuality in secondary schools in a 1995 speech titled "Winning the Culture War." He said that it was essential to frame the debate as a "safety issue" rather than a homosexual issue because if his movement was perceived "as preying on children, we will lose."
But that is precisely what they appear to have been doing. A WorldNet Daily article offered inadvertent proof of this in October 2008, before anyone had heard of Kevin Jennings. Ironically the article was about Weather Underground terrorist and Obama friend Bill Ayers' endorsement of a book titled "Queering Elementary Education: Advancing the Dialogue about Sexualities and Schooling." Jennings wrote the foreword.
But Jennings and Ayers have more in common than that. Like Bill Ayers, Jennings organized a fundraiser for candidate Obama. Also in attendance at the Jennings fundraiser, visible in this video link, is Bill Clinton. Hidden from view in the video, but present nonetheless, sitting just to the right of the stairway, is George Soros. A regular rogue's gallery of Crisis Strategy practioners, that gathering.
Now, Scott Baker of Breitbart.tv has published at Gateway Pundit the disturbing evidence that shows exactly how Kevin Jennings and his GLSEN activists advance their homosexual agenda in schools: by peddling child pornography. Warning: some of the links embedded in this article contain foul language and graphic, explicit descriptions of various sex acts, mostly among children, some as young as five.
As the article explains:
GLSEN... strives to influence the educational curriculum to include materials which the group believes will increase tolerance of gay students and decrease bullying. To that end, GLSEN maintains a recommended reading list of books that it claims "furthers our mission to ensure safe schools for all students."
In other words, these are the books that GLSEN's directors think all kids should be reading: gay kids should read them to raise their self-esteem, and straight kids should read them in order to become more aware and tolerant and stop bullying gay kids. Through GLSEN's online ordering system, called "GLSEN BookLink," featured prominently on their Web site, teachers can buy the books to use as required classroom assignments, or students can buy them to read on their own.
The authors ordered some random samples to see what was in the books:
What we discovered shocked us. We were flabbergasted. Rendered speechless. We were unprepared for what we encountered. Book after book after book contained stories and anecdotes that weren't merely X-rated and pornographic, but which featured explicit descriptions of sex acts between pre-schoolers; stories that seemed to promote and recommend child-adult sexual relationships; stories of public masturbation, anal sex in restrooms, affairs between students and teachers, five-year-olds playing sex games, semen flying through the air. One memoir even praised becoming a prostitute as a way to increase one's self-esteem.
The Gateway Pundit article examined eleven books. Excerpts are provided, with photocopied page reproductions proving their authenticity, one with a graphic drawing of two men engaged in anal sex with a Boy Scout and scout master looking on. You are free to peruse them by following the link. These were shown, as the article explained, to present irrefutable proof of what might otherwise seem unbelievable.
As the founder of GSLEN, as a champion of the NAMBLA lifestyle, it is impossible to accept that Kevin Jennings is not aware of the child pornography being peddled by his organization. It requires no stretch of the imagination to believe that he not only approves of this literature, but that it was promoted at his instigation.
Homosexuality brought us the AIDS epidemic, which, as of 2001, had killed 583,293 people. Half of the estimated 40,000 annual AIDS infections are among people under 25. Homosexual teens are more than three times as likely to commit suicide as others in their age group. Homosexuality has bought Western culture deserved contempt, as the West's "sexual tourists," mostly homosexual men, travel the world preying on third world children, spreading and bringing back every description of sexually transmitted disease.
The headlines are awash with stories of sexual predators trafficking in child pornography, abusing, kidnapping and murdering children. The Catholic Church has been scandalized by stories of priests abusing choir boys, shaking that institution to its very foundation.
While these abhorrent, unhealthy, illegal and sometimes deadly activities have landed people extensive jail sentences, it takes the breath away to realize that the person President Barack Obama chose to ensure "safe" public schools spent much of his adult life actively promoting the homosexual lifestyle with child pornography. He should be in jail with the rest of the sexual predators. Instead he has been made gatekeeper to our most prized possession: our children.
The child pornography laws only ban images, and except the one picture noted above, the mass of this is in written form. All the books should be examined closely by law enforcement for sexually explicit images. Leave it to the Holder Justice Department to defend Jennings then.
Jennings is an abomination. This presidency is an abomination. Obama has taken a chain saw to our economy. He has taken a chain saw to our national security. Now he's going after our children. The tide must be turned. The "sleeping giant" aroused to fury by Pearl Harbor must awake again.
These people must be stopped.
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Written by Cliff Kincaid
Wednesday, 09 December 2009 21:05
cliff-kincaid-smallWith the ClimateGate revelations of flimsy "science" behind the man-made global warming theory, the role of the religious left in promoting this fraudulent scheme now deserves serious media scrutiny. Walter Grazer, who served as the Director of the Environmental Justice Program for the United States Catholic Conference of Bishops from 1993 to 2007 and is now interim executive director of the National Religious Partnership for the Environment (NRPE), was asked for a comment on ClimateGate and replied, "I am really not up on that issue at all."
Ignoring the growing scandal, the National Religious Coalition on Creation Care issued a press release on the occasion of the opening of the Copenhagen climate change conference declaring that "climate change is a moral and ethical issue because it deals with lifestyle issues and choices that all people must face."
Cardinal Theodore McCarrick was quoted as saying that Catholic bishops will be promoting a new "Climate Covenant" and "take the message on the seriousness of climate change to every Catholic parish in America."
But what is the real agenda behind the fraudulent "science?" Is it something more than political and economic control over people's lives?
Dr. James Wanliss, Associate Professor of Physics at Presbyterian College, has written The Green Dragon, a book about how environmentalism is actually committed to "the reconstruction of a pagan world order" and "rejection of Christian spirituality." Wanliss argues that the environmental movement "is a religion with a vision of sin and repentance, heaven and hell. It even has a special vocabulary, with words like 'sustainability' and 'carbon neutral.' Its communion is organic food. Its sacraments are sex, abortion, and when all else fails, sterilization. Its saints are Al Gore and the InterGovernmental Panel on Climate Change."
"Both professing Protestants and Roman Catholics bear a burden of guilt for the current political mess we are in with the global warming and other hysterias," he argues. "If the church had not turned from the gospel of Jesus Christ it is unlikely the Green Dragon would have been able to so deeply sink its fangs into our lives."
Green Religion
Major U.S. religious groups involved in the "climate change" campaign include the National Religious Partnership for the Environment, the Catholic Campaign on Climate Change, the Evangelical Environmental Network and the Evangelical Climate Initiative.
Dr. E. Calvin Beisner, national spokesman for the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation, identifies evangelical leftist Ron Sider as a key figure behind the Evangelical Environmental Network and the Evangelical Climate Initiative. "He's been pressing for wealth redistribution for over thirty years, and the global treaty being touted to fight global warming is nothing if it isn't an exercise in wealth redistribution," says Beisner.
Sider, who is also founder and president of Evangelicals for Social Action, is the author of Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger.
Richard Cizik, who served for ten years as vice president for governmental affairs of the National Association of Evangelicals, was instrumental in creating the Evangelical Climate Initiative. He now serves as a fellow of the George Soros-funded Open Society Institute, where his current job is to "organize and host gatherings of evangelical faith leaders, policy-makers and academics" on climate change.
Beisner says it's a shame that evangelicals are being asked to jump on the global warming bandwagon right when the wheels are falling off because of the ClimateGate scandal.
Big Liberal Money
Wanliss identifies the National Council of Churches (NCC) as playing a major role. He says massive infusions of "green"-money, that is-for the NCC come from left-leaning philanthropies including Pew Charitable Trusts, Tides Foundation, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Turner Foundation, W. Alton Jones Foundation, V. Kann Rasmussen Foundation, and New World Foundation.
As a result, "There has been, in past decades, a cosmic shift towards a social climate that begins to favor the environment-polar bears, trees, and bugs-over human beings."
Another major player, the National Religious Partnership for the Environment (NRPE), "has an awesome army of organizational links and is itself something of a matryoshka, the Russian nested doll, which is never what it appears at first sight. For it is also not grassroots but launched with funding from left-leaning foundations, primarily the Pew Charitable Trust," he says.
NRPE describes itself as "an association of independent faith groups" that includes the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the National Council of Churches, the Coalition on the Environment and Jewish Life, and the Evangelical Environmental Network.
"When it began in 1993," Wanliss says, "NRPE had over $5 million in grants to accomplish the goal, according to executive director Paul Gorman, of utilizing churches to produce a 'distinctly religious response to the crisis of environmental sustainability and social justice.' The Partnership has been able to spread environmentalist propaganda and teaching aids to almost every Jewish, and to several hundred thousand Protestant congregations in America."
Through another entity, the Au Sable Institute, Wanliss says that these forces "have infiltrated Christian higher education by careful placement of teachers and teaching materials on environmental activism in schools associated with the Council for Christian Colleges and Universities (CCCU). Many of these schools are conservative in politics or theology. What they teach there under the Au Sable banner, will surprise their supporters. Not surprisingly, the Au Sable Institute and the NRPE share a subset of the same donor pool. Little by little wolves try to douse Christian resistance and lead sheep by troubled waters to accept the inevitability of a divine environmental movement."
The Catholic Coalition on Climate Change was launched in 2006 as a vehicle of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. This group says that "Because we are not experts on climate change and its consequences, we rely on a scientific consensus (best represented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) to guide our activities." Of course, it is the IPCC that is embroiled in the ClimateGate scandal.
In addition to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Catholic Coalition on Climate Change enjoys the active support of the Association of Catholic Colleges and Universities, Carmelite NGO, Catholic Charities USA; the Catholic Health Association of the United States, Catholic Relief Services, the Conference of Major Superiors of Men, the Franciscan Action Network, the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, the National Catholic Rural Life Conference, and the National Council of Catholic Women.
A related organization is the Catholic Climate Covenant, which claims that the poor are suffering because of the "carbon footprints" of people in the United States and other "rich" nations.
Wanliss says such notions are essential to the "alternative religion" of environmentalism.
Penance for New "Sin"
He explains that, "people with money to burn can buy indulgences just like in the medieval Roman Catholic Church. In that religion priests sold indulgences to souls burdened with guilt over their sins. Even today, when Roman indulgences are not generally for sale-at least not for money-forgiveness is only assured to those who complete the required tasks that earn the indulgence. The green movement has absorbed these faux religious elements, and for each one has its own ersatz affectation. Whatever it may mean, raping the earth is not ecologically sound or morally attractive. But if you must rape Mother Earth, then be sure to visit the Green Dragon and pay a sum of money to cleanse your guilt, until next time. Forgiveness for sins is only a carbon offset away."
"It is possible to calculate the extent of one's sins online," Wanliss points out. "According to TerraPass, over the past three years my weekly driving has resulted in about 5,224 pounds of CO2 a year, and for a mere $29.95 I can buy an indulgence that will offset the environmental impact of my reckless, indeed sacrilegious, lifestyle. These 'carbon offsets' will do as little for the salvation of the world as papal indulgences would for my soul. But for people with a desperate spiritual hunger it is a panacea and penance they are eager to embrace, and an incredible gift to give-it promises guilt free living and a purpose driven life. If only it were true. Go ahead, say the Gore-like business barons, pay the toll at our gate, and this year 'Give the gift of green.'
Meanwhile, America Magazine, the national Catholic weekly published by the Jesuits, is complaining that Congress did not pass legislation on greenhouse gas emissions before the current United Nations Copenhagen meeting. "The United States will thus remain the only developed nation with no established target for carbon reduction," it says.
The magazine praises the National Religious Partnership for the Environment and the Catholic Campaign on Climate Change for being "vigorous advocates for integrating the world's poor in a climate covenant with funding for both adapting infrastructure to meet the hardships of changing climate and for transferring green technology."
It goes on, "If the planet is to survive, as Pope Benedict XVI concluded in Caritas in Veritate, all nations must accept binding reductions in carbon emissions and construct an equitable structure for energy consumption and for sharing the development of green technology among rich and poor nations-for the sake of this generation and generations to come."
Pope Endorses Green Religion
As AIM has reported, in the encyclical, the Pope says that there is a need for a "a worldwide redistribution of energy resources" and that, "The technologically advanced societies can and must lower their domestic energy consumption, either through an evolution in manufacturing methods or through greater ecological sensitivity among their citizens."
At the same time, he warned that "it is contrary to authentic development to view nature as something more important than the human person" and that this position "leads to attitudes of neo-paganism or a new pantheism."
Indeed, the U.N. Environmental Program, which is now promoting a "Global Green New Deal," has celebrated the idea of an "Environmental Sabbath," in which children hold hands around a tree and meditate.
Wanliss notes that George Orwell's book Animal Farm tells of the visionary pig Old Major who had a dream that soon proved disastrous: "And now, comrades, I will tell you about my dream of last night. I cannot describe that dream to you. It was a dream of the earth as it will be when Man is forgotten."
Wanliss cautions that attempts by Church leaders and Christian organizations to synthesize a Christian environmentalism can succeed "only by exorcising truth, and ultimately, by expelling Christianity..."
But he adds, "Will it not be ironic if the Green Dragon they so adore ends up destroying them?"
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There are Vikings buried in permafrost in Greenland.
written by Andrew, December 09, 2009
It was much warmer during the medieval warming period.
There are Vikings buried in permafrost in Greenland.
The permafrost is not disturbed.
It was not frozen when they were buried.
I would call that warmer then today, a lot warmer.
The ironic thing is that this evidence of the medieval warming period is in a museum in Copenhagen.
The Fate of Greenland's Vikings February 28, 2000 by Dale Mackenzie Brown
www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland
Also, the medieval warming period was global.
Fraudulent hockey sticks and hidden data
joannenova.com.au/2009/12/fraudulent-hockey-sticks-and-hidden-data
For a satirical look at the climategate computer programming (hiding the decline):
Anthropogenic Global Warming Virus Alert.
www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s5i64103
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You can't sleep with the beast and retain your virtue....God for Harry,England,and St . George!
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Similar trends seem obvious in Australia, much of the religious movement has "blended" with the green movement of late. In a statement on climate change the Anglican archibishop was effectively telling us to make appologies to the aboriginal - pagan gods, it was very bizarre. I don't think the church will die, just morph Jesus more into a Gaia like figure.
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The complete moral sellout of Green Christians
written by Jesus Greenblood, December 15, 2009
If religion is willing to sell endorsements for "charitable donations" then there is nothing holy about it. I'm no green apologist, in fact quite the opposite, but this is not a case of Greens victimizing religion. This is a case of religious powermongers selling out their principles and parishioners for cash and a seat at the table. This is complete moral bankruptch and the exact reason why I neither accept a shred of Green doctrine, nor do I go to church.
The pathetic and shallow virtue of money has corrupted every good thing in this world, and somehow this has only made people want to commit further corruption to get their hands on more money. Such principles are antithetic to religion, yet are a driving force in the 'religious corporations' that are so prevalent today. Why should ANY religion be lobbying politicians or making policy endorsements? If your church is doing this, STOP GOING.
Green WILL kill religion. Anyone who has studied the history of this movement knows that this has been one of the Green movement's primary intents since its contrivance. If you can get people to give up everything that contributes to their daily quality of life in the name of "saving the planet" then you have created a religion that people are far more devoted to than the morons who go to church twice a year to hear political endorsements.
So if you are going to church that is endorsing 'Green' and you yourself support this, why don't you just kick over the crucifix and stab Jesus while you're there. This is what you're doing anyway, why be phony about it. The only people Jesus ever admitted to hating were the hypocrites. Today we call them Green Christians...
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Written by Cliff Kincaid
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cliff-kincaid-smallWith the ClimateGate revelations of flimsy "science" behind the man-made global warming theory, the role of the religious left in promoting this fraudulent scheme now deserves serious media scrutiny. Walter Grazer, who served as the Director of the Environmental Justice Program for the United States Catholic Conference of Bishops from 1993 to 2007 and is now interim executive director of the National Religious Partnership for the Environment (NRPE), was asked for a comment on ClimateGate and replied, "I am really not up on that issue at all."
Ignoring the growing scandal, the National Religious Coalition on Creation Care issued a press release on the occasion of the opening of the Copenhagen climate change conference declaring that "climate change is a moral and ethical issue because it deals with lifestyle issues and choices that all people must face."
Cardinal Theodore McCarrick was quoted as saying that Catholic bishops will be promoting a new "Climate Covenant" and "take the message on the seriousness of climate change to every Catholic parish in America."
But what is the real agenda behind the fraudulent "science?" Is it something more than political and economic control over people's lives?
Dr. James Wanliss, Associate Professor of Physics at Presbyterian College, has written The Green Dragon, a book about how environmentalism is actually committed to "the reconstruction of a pagan world order" and "rejection of Christian spirituality." Wanliss argues that the environmental movement "is a religion with a vision of sin and repentance, heaven and hell. It even has a special vocabulary, with words like 'sustainability' and 'carbon neutral.' Its communion is organic food. Its sacraments are sex, abortion, and when all else fails, sterilization. Its saints are Al Gore and the InterGovernmental Panel on Climate Change."
"Both professing Protestants and Roman Catholics bear a burden of guilt for the current political mess we are in with the global warming and other hysterias," he argues. "If the church had not turned from the gospel of Jesus Christ it is unlikely the Green Dragon would have been able to so deeply sink its fangs into our lives."
Green Religion
Major U.S. religious groups involved in the "climate change" campaign include the National Religious Partnership for the Environment, the Catholic Campaign on Climate Change, the Evangelical Environmental Network and the Evangelical Climate Initiative.
Dr. E. Calvin Beisner, national spokesman for the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation, identifies evangelical leftist Ron Sider as a key figure behind the Evangelical Environmental Network and the Evangelical Climate Initiative. "He's been pressing for wealth redistribution for over thirty years, and the global treaty being touted to fight global warming is nothing if it isn't an exercise in wealth redistribution," says Beisner.
Sider, who is also founder and president of Evangelicals for Social Action, is the author of Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger.
Richard Cizik, who served for ten years as vice president for governmental affairs of the National Association of Evangelicals, was instrumental in creating the Evangelical Climate Initiative. He now serves as a fellow of the George Soros-funded Open Society Institute, where his current job is to "organize and host gatherings of evangelical faith leaders, policy-makers and academics" on climate change.
Beisner says it's a shame that evangelicals are being asked to jump on the global warming bandwagon right when the wheels are falling off because of the ClimateGate scandal.
Big Liberal Money
Wanliss identifies the National Council of Churches (NCC) as playing a major role. He says massive infusions of "green"-money, that is-for the NCC come from left-leaning philanthropies including Pew Charitable Trusts, Tides Foundation, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Turner Foundation, W. Alton Jones Foundation, V. Kann Rasmussen Foundation, and New World Foundation.
As a result, "There has been, in past decades, a cosmic shift towards a social climate that begins to favor the environment-polar bears, trees, and bugs-over human beings."
Another major player, the National Religious Partnership for the Environment (NRPE), "has an awesome army of organizational links and is itself something of a matryoshka, the Russian nested doll, which is never what it appears at first sight. For it is also not grassroots but launched with funding from left-leaning foundations, primarily the Pew Charitable Trust," he says.
NRPE describes itself as "an association of independent faith groups" that includes the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the National Council of Churches, the Coalition on the Environment and Jewish Life, and the Evangelical Environmental Network.
"When it began in 1993," Wanliss says, "NRPE had over $5 million in grants to accomplish the goal, according to executive director Paul Gorman, of utilizing churches to produce a 'distinctly religious response to the crisis of environmental sustainability and social justice.' The Partnership has been able to spread environmentalist propaganda and teaching aids to almost every Jewish, and to several hundred thousand Protestant congregations in America."
Through another entity, the Au Sable Institute, Wanliss says that these forces "have infiltrated Christian higher education by careful placement of teachers and teaching materials on environmental activism in schools associated with the Council for Christian Colleges and Universities (CCCU). Many of these schools are conservative in politics or theology. What they teach there under the Au Sable banner, will surprise their supporters. Not surprisingly, the Au Sable Institute and the NRPE share a subset of the same donor pool. Little by little wolves try to douse Christian resistance and lead sheep by troubled waters to accept the inevitability of a divine environmental movement."
The Catholic Coalition on Climate Change was launched in 2006 as a vehicle of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. This group says that "Because we are not experts on climate change and its consequences, we rely on a scientific consensus (best represented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) to guide our activities." Of course, it is the IPCC that is embroiled in the ClimateGate scandal.
In addition to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Catholic Coalition on Climate Change enjoys the active support of the Association of Catholic Colleges and Universities, Carmelite NGO, Catholic Charities USA; the Catholic Health Association of the United States, Catholic Relief Services, the Conference of Major Superiors of Men, the Franciscan Action Network, the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, the National Catholic Rural Life Conference, and the National Council of Catholic Women.
A related organization is the Catholic Climate Covenant, which claims that the poor are suffering because of the "carbon footprints" of people in the United States and other "rich" nations.
Wanliss says such notions are essential to the "alternative religion" of environmentalism.
Penance for New "Sin"
He explains that, "people with money to burn can buy indulgences just like in the medieval Roman Catholic Church. In that religion priests sold indulgences to souls burdened with guilt over their sins. Even today, when Roman indulgences are not generally for sale-at least not for money-forgiveness is only assured to those who complete the required tasks that earn the indulgence. The green movement has absorbed these faux religious elements, and for each one has its own ersatz affectation. Whatever it may mean, raping the earth is not ecologically sound or morally attractive. But if you must rape Mother Earth, then be sure to visit the Green Dragon and pay a sum of money to cleanse your guilt, until next time. Forgiveness for sins is only a carbon offset away."
"It is possible to calculate the extent of one's sins online," Wanliss points out. "According to TerraPass, over the past three years my weekly driving has resulted in about 5,224 pounds of CO2 a year, and for a mere $29.95 I can buy an indulgence that will offset the environmental impact of my reckless, indeed sacrilegious, lifestyle. These 'carbon offsets' will do as little for the salvation of the world as papal indulgences would for my soul. But for people with a desperate spiritual hunger it is a panacea and penance they are eager to embrace, and an incredible gift to give-it promises guilt free living and a purpose driven life. If only it were true. Go ahead, say the Gore-like business barons, pay the toll at our gate, and this year 'Give the gift of green.'
Meanwhile, America Magazine, the national Catholic weekly published by the Jesuits, is complaining that Congress did not pass legislation on greenhouse gas emissions before the current United Nations Copenhagen meeting. "The United States will thus remain the only developed nation with no established target for carbon reduction," it says.
The magazine praises the National Religious Partnership for the Environment and the Catholic Campaign on Climate Change for being "vigorous advocates for integrating the world's poor in a climate covenant with funding for both adapting infrastructure to meet the hardships of changing climate and for transferring green technology."
It goes on, "If the planet is to survive, as Pope Benedict XVI concluded in Caritas in Veritate, all nations must accept binding reductions in carbon emissions and construct an equitable structure for energy consumption and for sharing the development of green technology among rich and poor nations-for the sake of this generation and generations to come."
Pope Endorses Green Religion
As AIM has reported, in the encyclical, the Pope says that there is a need for a "a worldwide redistribution of energy resources" and that, "The technologically advanced societies can and must lower their domestic energy consumption, either through an evolution in manufacturing methods or through greater ecological sensitivity among their citizens."
At the same time, he warned that "it is contrary to authentic development to view nature as something more important than the human person" and that this position "leads to attitudes of neo-paganism or a new pantheism."
Indeed, the U.N. Environmental Program, which is now promoting a "Global Green New Deal," has celebrated the idea of an "Environmental Sabbath," in which children hold hands around a tree and meditate.
Wanliss notes that George Orwell's book Animal Farm tells of the visionary pig Old Major who had a dream that soon proved disastrous: "And now, comrades, I will tell you about my dream of last night. I cannot describe that dream to you. It was a dream of the earth as it will be when Man is forgotten."
Wanliss cautions that attempts by Church leaders and Christian organizations to synthesize a Christian environmentalism can succeed "only by exorcising truth, and ultimately, by expelling Christianity..."
But he adds, "Will it not be ironic if the Green Dragon they so adore ends up destroying them?"
Cliff Kincaid is the Editor of Accuracy in Media, and can be contacted at cliff.kincaid@aim.org This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .
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There are Vikings buried in permafrost in Greenland.
written by Andrew, December 09, 2009
It was much warmer during the medieval warming period.
There are Vikings buried in permafrost in Greenland.
The permafrost is not disturbed.
It was not frozen when they were buried.
I would call that warmer then today, a lot warmer.
The ironic thing is that this evidence of the medieval warming period is in a museum in Copenhagen.
The Fate of Greenland's Vikings February 28, 2000 by Dale Mackenzie Brown
www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland
Also, the medieval warming period was global.
Fraudulent hockey sticks and hidden data
joannenova.com.au/2009/12/fraudulent-hockey-sticks-and-hidden-data
For a satirical look at the climategate computer programming (hiding the decline):
Anthropogenic Global Warming Virus Alert.
www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s5i64103
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written by Robbins Mitchell, December 10, 2009
You can't sleep with the beast and retain your virtue....God for Harry,England,and St . George!
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written by phil from oz, December 10, 2009
Similar trends seem obvious in Australia, much of the religious movement has "blended" with the green movement of late. In a statement on climate change the Anglican archibishop was effectively telling us to make appologies to the aboriginal - pagan gods, it was very bizarre. I don't think the church will die, just morph Jesus more into a Gaia like figure.
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The complete moral sellout of Green Christians
written by Jesus Greenblood, December 15, 2009
If religion is willing to sell endorsements for "charitable donations" then there is nothing holy about it. I'm no green apologist, in fact quite the opposite, but this is not a case of Greens victimizing religion. This is a case of religious powermongers selling out their principles and parishioners for cash and a seat at the table. This is complete moral bankruptch and the exact reason why I neither accept a shred of Green doctrine, nor do I go to church.
The pathetic and shallow virtue of money has corrupted every good thing in this world, and somehow this has only made people want to commit further corruption to get their hands on more money. Such principles are antithetic to religion, yet are a driving force in the 'religious corporations' that are so prevalent today. Why should ANY religion be lobbying politicians or making policy endorsements? If your church is doing this, STOP GOING.
Green WILL kill religion. Anyone who has studied the history of this movement knows that this has been one of the Green movement's primary intents since its contrivance. If you can get people to give up everything that contributes to their daily quality of life in the name of "saving the planet" then you have created a religion that people are far more devoted to than the morons who go to church twice a year to hear political endorsements.
So if you are going to church that is endorsing 'Green' and you yourself support this, why don't you just kick over the crucifix and stab Jesus while you're there. This is what you're doing anyway, why be phony about it. The only people Jesus ever admitted to hating were the hypocrites. Today we call them Green Christians...
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