(1:36:25 PM) gws: veritas vol mgr and fileysystem on solaris 10 on sun v480 all for oracle 10g and fiber hba attaching to hitachi san
(1:36:29 PM) gws: what a shitstorm
(1:37:13 PM) gws: wiating for veritas to give me licenses and download instructions :)
(1:37:18 PM) gws: ah life of sysadmin fun!
(1:37:33 PM) gws: http://gobolinux.org/index.php?page=at_a_glance check this shit out
(1:37:48 PM) gws: high hilarity
(1:42:43 PM) martian67: its not a bad idea
(1:43:05 PM) martian67: i mean it at least makes more sense than /usr
(1:47:09 PM) gws: it seem programs dont care where they life
(1:47:11 PM) gws: live-
(1:47:19 PM) gws: as long as they can find thier libs
(1:47:27 PM) martian67: and their resources
(1:48:19 PM) gws: yeha
(1:48:29 PM) gws: I wish I had more female resources
(1:48:31 PM) gws: :)
(1:51:12 PM) uriel: 21:04 < uriel> gws: I think json is awesome
(1:51:18 PM) uriel: 21:05 < uriel> anything that is minimally sane and has a chance in hell of killing xml is awesome in my book (re json)
(1:52:01 PM) gws: lol
(1:52:23 PM) gws: we have an xml job that somehow takes 1 hours to create 75,000 files LOL
(1:52:27 PM) gws: go oracle!
(1:53:32 PM) gws: russian admin who is kinda incompetent is on the developers
(1:53:34 PM) gws: lol
(1:53:43 PM) gws: and they wana project manage not program java anymore lol
(1:53:54 PM) gws: oh thats 16 hours not 1
(1:53:56 PM) gws: lol
(1:56:27 PM) uriel: sad thing is that I'm not surprised
(1:56:34 PM) uriel: gws: what kind of business do you work for? a bank?
(1:56:38 PM) gws: movies
(1:56:47 PM) gws: ;)
(1:56:56 PM) uriel: a film studio?
(1:57:14 PM) uriel: the world is so full of pure retard
(1:57:35 PM) uriel: hah, folks, take a look at the list of patents here: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/03/apples-itc-complaint-names-htc-phones-10-other-patents.ars
(1:57:44 PM) uriel: notice anything?
(2:01:03 PM) gws: the word object!
(2:01:04 PM) gws: lol
(2:01:07 PM) gws: scumbags
(2:02:10 PM) martian67: that software patents are retarded?
(2:02:44 PM) gws: they are mega retared
(2:02:59 PM) gws: when amazon sued barnes +noble over shopping cart megatard
(2:03:17 PM) gws: gene patenting and medical crap parenting s shit too
(2:03:38 PM) uriel: martian67: no shit ;P
(2:04:02 PM) uriel: patents are a really idioitc ideak, period
(2:04:04 PM) martian67: imaginary property
(2:04:20 PM) martian67: uriel, not nearly as bad as software patents
(2:04:33 PM) martian67: classic patents at least have a more reasonable basis in reality
(2:04:59 PM) martian67: as in, they can actually achive a desirable goal
(2:05:58 PM) martian67: but software patents, by definition, are entirely suprious
(2:06:04 PM) martian67: *spurious
(2:06:19 PM) martian67: they can only exist to promote litigation
(2:06:53 PM) gws: muc paper pushing by lawyers is shitty too
(2:07:17 PM) gws: something to be computerized, and some guy in texas made a program, and lawyers sued saying its practicing law without a license
(2:07:18 PM) gws: loo
(2:07:19 PM) gws: lol
(2:08:07 PM) martian67: you dont need a license to practice law
(2:08:18 PM) martian67: you just cant claim to be certain things
(2:08:19 PM) martian67: iirc
(2:09:20 PM) gws: they sued this program, probabloy because they cant charge for shitbag stuff it took care of
(2:10:09 PM) Capso: yo
(2:12:56 PM) uriel: 21:59 < martian67> classic patents at least have a more reasonable basis in reality
(2:13:00 PM) uriel: no they don't
(2:13:03 PM) uriel: 21:59 < martian67> as in, they can actually achive a desirable goal
(2:13:06 PM) uriel: WRONG!
(2:13:18 PM) Capso: uriel: deep breaths
(2:13:19 PM) uriel: patents of all kinds *stifle* competition
(2:13:32 PM) uriel: hey Capso
(2:13:37 PM) Capso: ;)
(2:13:39 PM) Capso: hey uriel
(2:14:24 PM) martian67: uriel, i didnt call them reasonable, simply more reasonable
(2:14:48 PM) uriel: martian67: you claimed that they archive a desirable goal, which is completely WRONG
(2:14:49 PM) martian67: it gives a company an incentive to publish details of their invention, so others can eventually utilize it
(2:14:56 PM) martian67: not that, that means shit anymore
(2:14:59 PM) uriel: wrong again
(2:15:09 PM) martian67: again, read the second part
(2:15:24 PM) martian67: in theory, thats how they should/would work
(2:15:26 PM) uriel: it gives a company an incentive to 1) hoard government granted monopolies, 2) lobby to have those monopolies extended
(2:16:11 PM) uriel: eg., see the totally retarded games big pharma plays with patents
(2:16:11 PM) martian67: yes, but on the opposing side, it also gives a company no incentive to ever publish anything about how it works, or the process that lead up to it working
(2:16:19 PM) martian67: infact there is a very strong dis-incentive to do so
(2:16:34 PM) uriel: actually, still not true
(2:16:38 PM) martian67: elaborate
(2:16:54 PM) uriel: there is plenty of evidence that tons of technological developements are shared
(2:17:14 PM) uriel: because keeping them secret can very often be a disadvantage
(2:17:15 PM) martian67: yea, name a place that dosent have patents
(2:17:20 PM) martian67: thats a rather non-point
(2:17:25 PM) uriel: and when it is an advantage, it is often still the case despite patents
(2:18:04 PM) martian67: its hard to deny more would be kept secret
(2:18:12 PM) uriel: very, very, very few (if any) of the things that are patented could be kept secret, while keeping them secret would harm them
(2:18:20 PM) martian67: because there is no incentive to be forthcomming
(2:18:26 PM) uriel: it is easy to deny it
(2:18:34 PM) martian67: or not no, but less incentive
(2:18:36 PM) uriel: there is plenty of incentive to be forthcomming
(2:18:40 PM) martian67: such as?
(2:18:48 PM) uriel: and again, most patented stuff is impossible to keep secret
(2:18:55 PM) martian67: thats not an incentive
(2:19:01 PM) martian67: please name some
(2:19:30 PM) uriel: some? most patents are not 'competitive advantages'
(2:19:47 PM) uriel: so it is better for you if you are not the only one using them
(2:20:00 PM) uriel: so 1) people you hire can be well versed on the technologies you use
(2:20:28 PM) uriel: (being held hostage to the few people that knows how to use the'secret sauce' in your company is a *bad* idea)
(2:20:53 PM) martian67: id say its a worse idea to give all your secret sauce away
(2:21:04 PM) uriel: second, you benefit from network effects when other non-competitors (and even competitors) that depend on those same technologies improve them back
(2:21:09 PM) martian67: because you have sunk costs, and everyone else gets free R&D
(2:21:21 PM) martian67: which is a disadvantage
(2:21:41 PM) uriel: except that in practice what comes out of R^
(2:21:50 PM) uriel: R&D is rarely a secret sauce
(2:22:08 PM) martian67: ill agree with you for the most part
(2:22:20 PM) martian67: but i still think things would be even more closed than they are
(2:22:27 PM) uriel: well, you are wrong
(2:22:31 PM) martian67: because there is plain and simple, less incentive
(2:22:40 PM) uriel: still wrong
(2:22:41 PM) martian67: uriel, oh? got any meaningful examples of this
(2:22:48 PM) uriel: patents are used to shut down competition
(2:22:52 PM) martian67: you cant call me wrong without proof
(2:22:54 PM) uriel: which means things are more CLOSED
(2:22:57 PM) uriel: look at fucking apple
(2:23:19 PM) uriel: do any of the thousands of retarded patents they got make them any more open? no
(2:23:27 PM) uriel: and the patent system promotes retarded companies like apple
(2:23:50 PM) martian67: well like i said, the open-ness factor is more or less ignored these days
(2:24:04 PM) uriel: it is not ignored at all
(2:24:08 PM) martian67: but in theory, a patent application should give you enough detail to, yourself, build the thing
(2:24:18 PM) martian67: but thats no longer the case
(2:24:41 PM) uriel: in theory pigs could fly, reality is what it is, and patents promote very closed and restrictive environments
(2:24:49 PM) uriel: (the whole vide codec debacle comes to mind)
(2:24:57 PM) martian67: patents wernt always like that
(2:25:04 PM) uriel: that is nonsense
(2:25:05 PM) martian67: there was a time when they were as i discribed
(2:25:24 PM) martian67: part of the reason being, things were just plain simpler back then
(2:25:38 PM) uriel: patents give you enough detail to build whatever the patent is about, but you could do the same fucking thing without the patent at all
(2:25:50 PM) martian67: no, because it is patented
(2:25:54 PM) uriel: because patents are only used for PRETY MUCH FUCKING OBVIOUS SHIT
(2:26:05 PM) martian67: you could probly do something similar, but i dont see that as a negative
(2:26:30 PM) uriel: note that most great ideas are prety fucking obvious in indsight
(2:26:46 PM) Capso: it's like if I were to publish something in mathematics and subsequently "protect" all of my theorems - everytime you use one, you have to pay me, etc.
(2:26:47 PM) uriel: er hindisghht
(2:26:49 PM) Capso: it doesn't make sense
(2:27:05 PM) gws: scam
(2:27:06 PM) martian67: Capso, but thats different than a classic patent
(2:27:08 PM) gws: patents=scam
(2:27:11 PM) gws: like bank bailout
(2:27:13 PM) gws: like fed
(2:27:20 PM) gws: liek insurnace for profit
(2:27:20 PM) martian67: i agree software style patents are by far the worse of the bunch
(2:27:38 PM) martian67: but to equate all patents as being the same level of evil
(2:27:42 PM) martian67: is just retarded
(2:27:46 PM) uriel: Capso: btw, Frisco has put me in touch with a nice Iranian girl that works at his job that is looking for a room to rent, she might be my new flat-mate or neighbour ;))
(2:28:04 PM) Capso: uriel: ooooh
(2:28:10 PM) martian67: too binary, too black and white
(2:28:17 PM) martian67: it smooths over and ignores issues
(2:28:19 PM) uriel: I got pics, I just don't remember where, I'll send you some ;)
(2:28:24 PM) martian67: that are best not smoothed over and ignored
(2:28:34 PM) Capso: uriel: I realised he was trying to hook you up, the day I met him
(2:28:39 PM) uriel: martian67: it is not that all patents are the same level of evil
(2:28:42 PM) Capso: uriel: so he's been trying pretty hard it seems
(2:28:48 PM) uriel: martian67: it is that the *idea* of patents is pure evil
(2:28:54 PM) Capso: uriel: ya, send pics; I'll send pics of hot momma
(2:29:06 PM) Capso: (when I have some)
(2:29:14 PM) uriel: hahaha
(2:29:46 PM) uriel: Capso: nah, I'm not interested in such oldies, send pics of the daughter ;PPP
(2:29:48 PM) Capso: she says she's dangerously comfortable with me
(2:29:48 PM) martian67: uriel, i will say this, they were more relivant at one time than they are now
(2:29:58 PM) Capso: uriel: you're older than her, you fuck
(2:29:59 PM) martian67: these days, first to market is enough of an incentive
(2:30:31 PM) uriel: martian67: they might have been less harmful than they are now, but even that is very questionable, and probably was simply because they were more easily ignored and much less used
(2:30:35 PM) martian67: that patents are likely almost entirely negativ
(2:31:04 PM) Capso: martian67: simple question: what's changed?
(2:31:04 PM) uriel: note that for most of history most of the world was patent free, almost all the greatest inventions of mankind were done without patents
(2:31:27 PM) gws: growth of lawsuits and lawyer governmetn cottage industry is sickenign
(2:31:33 PM) uriel: Capso: what has changed is that 1) patents are more widely used 2) they are actually enforced more often
(2:31:34 PM) gws: and wasteful of resources
(2:31:54 PM) Capso: if you claim something was better in the past than it is now, but only everything other than that thing specifically has changed, then it's not a good defense
(2:32:00 PM) martian67: uriel, maybee whats important is that people feel they are useful
(2:32:06 PM) martian67: when in actuality, they do nothing
(2:32:10 PM) martian67: hahaha
(2:32:22 PM) uriel: gws: the growth of lawsuit and lawyer/government cottage industry is a result of a system that inherently encourages rent seeking, eg., the patent system
(2:32:30 PM) martian67: when they go to court, stick them in a paralell reality machine
(2:32:34 PM) Capso: "now that patents are used as they were designed to be, it kinda sucks; but while they were largely ignored, it was cool"
(2:32:37 PM) martian67: then bring them back out after its over
(2:32:43 PM) Capso: ba-ba-bullshit
(2:32:44 PM) uriel: martian67: I dont' see how what people feel is relevant at all
(2:32:54 PM) martian67: uriel, what people feel is always relivant
(2:32:55 PM) uriel: Capso: exactly
(2:33:02 PM) martian67: because people make decisions
(2:33:09 PM) martian67: ideas concepts, dont make them
(2:33:36 PM) martian67: werc is one of the best blogging tools out there, in your mind
(2:33:40 PM) martian67: why dont people agree
(2:33:44 PM) uriel: martian67: except that what people feel is often *WRONG*, and simply rationalizes other things
(2:33:57 PM) martian67: uriel, i have not denied that
(2:34:05 PM) martian67: but to say its not important, is absurd
(2:34:09 PM) Capso: I feel I should be bangin' hoes right now
(2:34:23 PM) Capso: but the sad truth is, Cartman patented that technology a while ago
(2:34:25 PM) uriel: so, your bringing up of people's feelings is totally irrelevant unless you can give a reason as to why it matters
(2:34:42 PM) martian67: because patents make people feel secure
(2:34:44 PM) uriel: Capso: haha
(2:34:51 PM) martian67: weither they infact do or not, is actually irrelivant
(2:35:05 PM) uriel: martian67: uhu? oh, god, you are going into pathetic pseud-psychologica non-explanations now?
(2:35:09 PM) Capso: patents are not about feelings
(2:35:10 PM) martian67: no
(2:35:23 PM) Capso: people, companies don't spend so much money time and paper into their feelings
(2:35:48 PM) martian67: Capso, but they patent things for security
(2:35:52 PM) uriel: really, if anything, this would go against your original claim, again, answer to Capso:
(2:35:55 PM) uriel: 22:27 < Capso> "now that patents are used as they were designed to be, it kinda sucks; but while they were largely ignored,
(2:35:58 PM) uriel: it was cool"
(2:36:25 PM) martian67: no, that makes a lot of sense
(2:36:28 PM) uriel: you are making a totally irrelevant argument, based on pure speculative claims, that doesn't help your case at all
(2:36:40 PM) martian67: there is nothing to answer to
(2:37:00 PM) uriel: patents were not used, nor enforced, which reduced their damage, now they are used much more and enforced much more vigurously, so they fuck everything up
(2:37:23 PM) uriel: how the fuck they did affect the feelings of people that were not using them and were ignoring them?
(2:37:41 PM) martian67: because why would you get a patent in 1800
(2:37:44 PM) martian67: say
(2:37:54 PM) martian67: so nobody else could "take your idea"
(2:38:01 PM) uriel: to get a monopoly?
(2:38:01 PM) martian67: so you felt secure in bringing it forward
(2:38:09 PM) uriel: just like anyone gets a patent any time
(2:38:17 PM) martian67: weither or not that actually happens is irrelivant
(2:38:27 PM) martian67: the " so nobody else could "take your idea"" part
(2:38:43 PM) martian67: because you have already brought your idea forward
(2:38:57 PM) uriel: again, you keep ignoring the fact that back then 1) few people got patents 2) they were mostly ignored so why the fuck would it make anyone feel anything?
(2:39:24 PM) kfx: coca-cola specifically did not patent their recipe because to do so is to make it public
(2:39:28 PM) uriel: and really, why the fuck would that make people feel more secure then than now?
(2:39:29 PM) martian67: because if they were just thought to be ignored, and not thought to be effective
(2:39:35 PM) martian67: why would anyone ever get them
(2:39:51 PM) martian67: kfx, also you cant patent a recipie
(2:40:13 PM) uriel: martian67: for the same reason anyone gets patents any time in history
(2:40:21 PM) martian67: uriel, im simply listing that as a reason why they were more "useful" one upon a time
(2:40:24 PM) Capso: Coca-Cola uses a process more so than a recipe; processes can be patented
(2:40:24 PM) martian67: than they are now
(2:40:26 PM) jse left the room (quit: ).
(2:40:28 PM) uriel: to hinder your competition and to get a monopoly granted by the government
(2:40:34 PM) martian67: because they made people feel secure, without the bad consequences
(2:40:53 PM) uriel: patents were less strongly enforced back then, so the hinderance on competition was smaller, so there was a smaller incentive to get a patent
(2:41:18 PM) kfx: martian67: like hell you can't
(2:41:32 PM) Capso: uriel: when's your fucken birthday? I'm going to grant you a patent
(2:41:40 PM) uriel: martian67: your claim is ridiculous,
(2:41:44 PM) martian67: kfx, well you can probly do some retarded contortion involving "method patents" these days
(2:41:52 PM) martian67: but originally that was not possible
(2:41:55 PM) uriel: Capso: it was already, so you better patent time travel
(2:41:56 PM) kfx: no
(2:42:00 PM) kfx: you can patent a fucking recipe
(2:42:04 PM) Capso: uriel: when?!
(2:42:06 PM) kfx: as in "a list of ingredients"
(2:42:10 PM) martian67: no, you cant, or at least couldnt
(2:42:11 PM) uriel: Capso: 10th jan
(2:42:14 PM) kfx: because patent law has always been utterly fucking retarded
(2:42:23 PM) martian67: that dosent mean its retarded in all apsects
(2:42:26 PM) martian67: dont be a jackass
(2:42:29 PM) Capso: uriel: aww, you sick fucker, you didn't tell me
(2:42:38 PM) Capso: uriel: well, happy belated bday!
(2:42:46 PM) uriel: Capso: I think I told you, you sick fucker I'm sure you forgot ;P
(2:42:57 PM) martian67: who cares about birthdays
(2:42:59 PM) Capso: uriel: I probably did; birthdays are for fags
(2:43:01 PM) martian67: not me :p
(2:43:11 PM) kfx: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4737367.html
(2:43:17 PM) Capso: uriel: you're 29 now? or 28?
(2:43:52 PM) martian67: kfx, i was mistaken
(2:44:03 PM) martian67: you cannot copyright a recipie
(2:44:16 PM) martian67: [15:41]
(2:44:28 PM) martian67: if patents were useless, they why would people get them?
(2:44:29 PM) uriel: Capso: I can't remember
(2:44:34 PM) kfx: martian67: no, but you can cpoyright recipes (note plural)
(2:44:37 PM) Capso: uriel: you dick
(2:44:39 PM) kfx: because then it's a 'cookbook'
(2:44:45 PM) martian67: there is obviously still a reason to get a patent, if they are worthless
(2:45:02 PM) martian67: even if that reason is pure fiction
(2:45:11 PM) uriel: martian67: you still don't get it, the number of people getting them is proportional to their 'usefulness', as I said, back then their use as anti-competitive devices was limited, so their use was limited
(2:45:43 PM) uriel: Capso: fuck off, I don't give a shit about birthdays ;P
(2:46:13 PM) Capso: uriel: birthdays get you laid, you ignorant fuck
(2:46:23 PM) gws: lol
(2:46:27 PM) gws: I love shemales
(2:47:10 PM) Capso: uriel: pull your dick outta your ass and USE it sometime!
(2:47:19 PM) uriel: Capso: hahaha
(2:47:36 PM) martian67: "Microsoft's Vice President for Trustworthy Computing Scott Charney, speaking at the RSA conference in San Francisco, has floated an interesting proposal to deal with infected computers: Approach the problem of dealing with malware infections like the healthcare industry, and consider using 'general taxation' to pay for inspection and quarantine. Using taxes to deal with online criminal activity is not
(2:47:37 PM) martian67: a new idea, as demonstrated by last year's Louisiana House vote to levy a monthly surcharge on Internet access to deal with online baddies."
(2:47:39 PM) martian67: wow
(2:47:52 PM) martian67: is it "trustworthy computing" now
(2:48:01 PM) Capso: uriel: and throw these monkeys out... they keep getting in the middle of our convo
(2:49:35 PM) uriel: martian67: now made of *pure stupid*
(2:49:52 PM) Capso: uriel: fix up uriel.cat-v.org/profile - you have to add South Park in TV section
(2:50:08 PM) uriel: I thought I had! damn
(2:50:30 PM) martian67: uriel, when wasnt it?
(2:50:31 PM) Capso: uriel: also, you have to add Cartmen in Philosophers section
(2:50:55 PM) Capso: Cartman*
(2:51:25 PM) uriel: 22:45 < Capso> uriel: also, you have to add Cartmen in Philosophers section
(2:51:41 PM) uriel: hahaha! I did that a few seconds before switching back to irc and reading that line :)
(2:52:44 PM) Capso: uriel: show me to some cool music
(2:53:02 PM) Capso: I just looked up Einstürzende Neubauten - any recommendations?
(2:53:47 PM) Capso: ah cool, from Berlin
(2:54:18 PM) uriel: Einstürzende Neubauten are beyond awesome
(2:54:52 PM) Capso: I'm listening to The Garden
(2:54:54 PM) Capso: haha
(2:55:28 PM) Capso: but I've had too much experimental rock for one decade
(2:55:47 PM) kfx: try some music that isn't made of beeps and whistles
(2:59:47 PM) Capso: irrelevant
(3:00:43 PM) uriel: Capso: you shoudl watch the video of Halber Mensch
(3:00:56 PM) Capso: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm_aut6RDAY&NR=1
(3:01:02 PM) Capso: Stella Mar∫
(3:01:05 PM) Capso: Maris*
(3:01:07 PM) Capso: I liked that one
(3:01:49 PM) uriel: (NOT in youtuve)
(3:01:52 PM) uriel: I can send you a copy
(3:02:24 PM) uriel: but it is almost 1gb
(3:02:46 PM) Capso: is it the one with a bunch of slugs/snakes in the beginning?
(3:02:47 PM) martian67: joutuve
(3:03:15 PM) Capso: jewtube
(3:03:57 PM) uriel: Capso: no, that is just a small cut, the video is much longer
(3:04:41 PM) Capso: haha, it is some fucked up shit
(3:06:04 PM) uriel: other than Neubauten, you should listen to Zappa
(3:06:20 PM) uriel: all his stuff is awesome, but some of it is over my head
(3:06:38 PM) uriel: the whole of Joe's Garage is really great, and hysterically funny
(3:07:42 PM) uriel: ("Watermelon in Easter Hay" is probably my favorite guitar solo ever)
(3:09:06 PM) uriel: really, I'm not sure what else to recommend, there is just so fucking much awesome stuff
(3:09:48 PM) Capso: uriel: you should try Joe Byrd
(3:09:55 PM) Capso: Joe Byrd and the Field Hippies
(3:10:40 PM) uriel: sounds familiar
(3:10:54 PM) uriel: here is another random recommendation: Recoil
(3:11:12 PM) Capso: uriel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xif-UmK29jU
(3:11:12 PM) uriel: New York Nights (random song picked from my collection) is quite crazy
(3:11:17 PM) Capso: I've told you about them before
(3:11:24 PM) Capso: (I think)
(3:11:29 PM) Capso: I know I told mycroft, who loved them
(3:12:01 PM) Capso: he incorporates Tablas and other things, which is just col
(3:12:03 PM) Capso: cool*
(3:12:08 PM) uriel: ah, sounds good
(3:12:52 PM) Capso: (wait for the drumming to kick in)
(3:13:45 PM) uriel: did you check Samla Mammas Manna?
(3:14:13 PM) Capso: ah, no
(3:16:07 PM) Capso: uriel: these guys were awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQpexFBNYSQ
(3:16:16 PM) Capso: they have an interesting history too...
(3:16:36 PM) Capso: they went from that sorta folk-hippy music to glam rock (which sucked)
(3:18:13 PM) Capso: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj3-fsWvE8Y&feature=related
(3:18:30 PM) uriel: if you like that kind of stuff, America's first record is one of one of my favorites
(3:19:34 PM) Capso: those are tablas they are playing, I believe
(3:19:58 PM) uriel: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0KKGdb4qUY
(3:20:20 PM) uriel: fuck I hate how jewtube sounds
(3:20:48 PM) farhaven: actually, there is a jewtube
(3:20:50 PM) farhaven: just btw
(3:22:31 PM) uriel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYf7qO9_MV8
(3:22:34 PM) uriel: farhaven: we know
(3:22:39 PM) farhaven: k
(3:23:06 PM) uriel: ah, much better!
(3:27:52 PM) Capso: both of these guys died at around the age of 30 :(
(3:29:08 PM) uriel: if you dont die young, you suck
(3:31:09 PM) Capso: basically
(3:31:28 PM) Capso: well, their music died much earlier
(3:31:32 PM) uriel: great song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysbAIraMHJQ
(3:31:42 PM) uriel: Capso: so, they died too late
(3:32:10 PM) uriel: if you are going to start to suck, better have the fucking decency of dying first
(3:32:11 PM) Capso: essentially when they decided to go from awesome folk hippy á la bongos/tablas with guitar to fucking glam rock
(3:32:20 PM) Capso: uriel: exactly
(3:32:54 PM) uriel: FUCK! just found out Lars Hollmer is dead :((((
(3:32:57 PM) Capso: I mean, Bolan and Tooke were geniuses either way; they just committed intellectual seppuku too soon
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