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(3:10:47 AM) frogeater: lol
(3:10:53 AM) frogeater: obamais fail
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(3:34:37 AM) JohnnyBad: gp tp bed, kid
(3:40:22 AM) frogeater: kid?
(3:40:26 AM) frogeater: are you 60?
(3:40:28 AM) frogeater: lol
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(3:40:56 AM) rc: sup
(3:41:01 AM) frogeater: obama biggest deficit ever and biggest militasry spending, biggest bailouts, not fixing banks, sad really
(3:43:27 AM) frotz: frogeater: whining about the deficit during a recession is right out of the herbert hoover playbook. do republicans ever learn?
(3:44:15 AM) frogeater: republicans are right
(3:44:17 AM) frogeater: dems are misguided
(3:44:19 AM) frotz: between the great depression and the bush depression 2.0 it's hard to see why republicans think they should be taken seriously on anything related to the economy.
(3:44:21 AM) frogeater: communism never works
(3:44:23 AM) frogeater: never has
(3:44:28 AM) frogeater: dems always ruin economy
(3:44:31 AM) frogeater: obama is carter II
(3:44:31 AM) frotz: frogeater: are you retarded?
(3:44:35 AM) frogeater: we need a new reagan
(3:44:40 AM) frogeater: maybe newt ginrich
frogeater frotz
(3:44:48 AM) frogeater: frotz are you?
(3:44:53 AM) frotz: the stock market has done better under democratic presidents than republican ones for the past 100 years.
(3:44:59 AM) frogeater: I'll wager i am smarter than you are.
(3:45:01 AM) frotz: does evidence matter?
(3:45:03 AM) frogeater: thats not true
(3:45:06 AM) frotz: well you wager away.
(3:45:09 AM) frotz: that's absolutely true. duh.
(3:45:10 AM) frogeater: that factaully incorrect
(3:45:12 AM) frogeater: as msot dems are
(3:45:15 AM) frotz: go look it up dumbass.
(3:45:28 AM) frogeater: you admit the great depression was caused by the fed inflating the money supply right?
(3:45:36 AM) frogeater: the fed created in 1913
(3:45:46 AM) frogeater: if not you ar eno longer worthy of even discussion
(3:45:55 AM) frogeater: not true at all
(3:45:56 AM) frotz: http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/columnist/krantz/2005-12-02-presidents_x.htm
(3:45:57 AM) Boston: ??? USATODAY.com - Democrats or Republicans? Just the facts
(3:46:07 AM) frogeater: regan was longest peactime economic expansion in 20th century
(3:46:10 AM) frotz: the great depression was caused by herbert hoover's economic policies.
(3:46:12 AM) frogeater: and he cut taxes!
(3:46:22 AM) frotz: reagan raised taxes more than any other president.
(3:46:30 AM) frogeater: hong kong fastest econmic developement in history and had 15% flat tax
(3:46:31 AM) frotz: he presided over the single largest tax increase in history.
(3:46:35 AM) frogeater: we should do a flat tax here
(3:46:47 AM) frogeater: reagan lowered taxes you moron
(3:46:49 AM) frogeater: gosh
(3:46:49 AM) frotz: flat tax is regressive and hits the poor much harder than the wealthy.
(3:46:51 AM) frogeater: stupidity
(3:46:55 AM) frogeater: no its not
(3:46:59 AM) frogeater: not atoll
(3:47:04 AM) frogeater: and end capital gains taxes
(3:47:11 AM) frotz: sorry, no, reagan cut taxes and then raised them when revenues plummeted. you need to learn some history before you spew.
(3:47:12 AM) frogeater: you have already paid taxes when get paycheck
(3:47:23 AM) frogeater: insane to punish those who wish to invest capital not wate it
(3:47:24 AM) frogeater: wow
(3:47:26 AM) frotz: capital gains arent a paycheck.
(3:47:30 AM) frogeater: such idioticy in dems minds
(3:47:40 AM) frogeater: yes but if you have 100$ say
(3:47:45 AM) frogeater: you already paid taxes on it
(3:47:54 AM) frogeater: there should be no furth tax on capital gains thats crazy
(3:48:04 AM) frogeater: punishing person for investing?
(3:48:09 AM) frotz: you gain money through an investment, and income is taxed. duh.
(3:48:09 AM) frogeater: for capital accumulation?
(3:48:10 AM) frogeater: wow
(3:48:19 AM) frogeater: people need to learn basic economics
(3:48:23 AM) frogeater: obama sure does
(3:48:28 AM) frotz: it's not punishment, it's you paying your share for the work the government does to make sure that there's a stock market in the first place.
(3:48:32 AM) frogeater: sure it is
(3:48:36 AM) frogeater: you already paid taxes on it
(3:48:38 AM) frogeater: duh!!
(3:48:39 AM) frogeater: lol
(3:48:42 AM) frogeater: you simpleton
(3:48:45 AM) frotz: go invest in somalia's stock market if you think there's no need for a government to keep a market going.
(3:48:52 AM) frogeater: you smipleton
(3:48:57 AM) frotz: namecalling is cute when you lack an argument.
(3:49:01 AM) frogeater: frotz you are stupid
(3:49:08 AM) frotz: did you read that article about the stock market? it says you're wrong.
(3:49:08 AM) frogeater: no you really are a moron
(3:49:13 AM) frotz: http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/columnist/krantz/2005-12-02-presidents_x.htm
(3:49:14 AM) frogeater: you are a retard
(3:49:15 AM) Boston: ??? USATODAY.com - Democrats or Republicans? Just the facts
(3:49:22 AM) frotz: ^ look, you were completely wrong.
(3:49:27 AM) frogeater: fact: capitalism works
(3:49:31 AM) frogeater: fact: communism fails
(3:49:32 AM) frotz: works for who?
(3:49:39 AM) frotz: who's suggesting communism you dumbass?
(3:49:48 AM) frogeater: frotz if you are a democrat why don't you move a homeless person into your apartment
(3:49:53 AM) frogeater: help with homeless ness
(3:49:53 AM) frotz: market regulation works. unregulated markets fail.
(3:50:00 AM) frogeater: free market works
(3:50:06 AM) frogeater: so calle regualtions never do
(3:50:11 AM) frogeater: look at housing fuckup
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(3:50:39 AM) frotz: yes, look right at it. republicans deregulated the financial markets, and look what happened.
(3:50:51 AM) frogeater: clinton said give funny money to poor morons who 'deseve a house' and bush gets lef thold the bad vuz barney frank and chris dodd are bought and paid for and freedie fanny and fed print funny money
(3:51:04 AM) frogeater: I hope you don't actually wtch jon stewart
(3:51:24 AM) frogeater: they guy can't stop babbling about somehow capitalism is to be blamed for all the fuckups of government and clinton
(3:51:29 AM) frogeater: frtoz you are a tard
(3:51:36 AM) frogeater: basic economics son
(3:51:39 AM) frogeater: and remember
(3:51:39 AM) frotz: dude, the crash in housing had nothing to do with poor people, the markets worst hit were commercial investors buying and flipping properties in places like phoenix and miami.
(3:51:49 AM) frogeater: keynes was a moron
(3:51:51 AM) frogeater: still is
(3:51:52 AM) frotz: you keep calling names but your facts are all mistaken.
(3:51:57 AM) frogeater: you can't deficit spend
(3:52:07 AM) frogeater: deficits are merely a tax, with roling interest
(3:52:17 AM) frotz: golly, weird how it works when we DO deficit spend.
(3:52:20 AM) frogeater: I wish all the moron dems would move 1-5 homeless into thier house
(3:52:27 AM) frogeater: to personally do wahts bet first
(3:52:33 AM) frogeater: before forcing us all to pay capital gains
(3:52:35 AM) rc: i've decided... nobody that's talking out there really knows why this depression happened
(3:52:38 AM) rc: imho
(3:52:40 AM) frogeater: no I have facts right
(3:52:43 AM) rc: too many explanations
(3:52:46 AM) frogeater: you have facts and hsitory dead wrong
(3:52:49 AM) frogeater: and you dont get it
(3:52:59 AM) frogeater: your wont ever dare question your job stewart mantra
(3:53:09 AM) frogeater: do you realise that communism failed right?
(3:53:16 AM) frotz: rc: that's absurd. the only people even arguing about it are folks like frogeater who has an agenda to hide republican failures.
(3:53:22 AM) frogeater: no the depressino is easy to see
(3:53:28 AM) frogeater: fed and fannie freddy printed money
(3:53:37 AM) frogeater: cuz clinton made it law and mandate
(3:53:45 AM) frotz: frogeater: who on earth is talking about communism other than you? you want to keep fighting the cold war then you go right ahead and do that in your deluded universe.
(3:53:45 AM) frogeater: the goverment cant stop photocopying money
(3:53:47 AM) frogeater: and fed too
(3:53:56 AM) frogeater: but all it does is cause the business cycle and cause bubbles
(3:54:01 AM) frogeater: that inevitably correct
(3:54:08 AM) frogeater: and then thos ewith pull grab bailouts
(3:54:17 AM) frogeater: meanwhile prices skyrocket and commities go crazy
(3:54:31 AM) frogeater: and crazy house prices and real estae taxes that dems lvoe go along up up up
(3:54:35 AM) frogeater: things dont get cheaper
(3:54:41 AM) frotz: frogeater: clinton's change to the housing rules resulted in loans to low income communities. none of these are the places where the real estate bubble caused major problems. loans under the CRA have a lower default rate than any other class of real estate loans right now. you're factually incorrect.
(3:54:41 AM) frogeater: as they norammly do under capitalism
(3:54:45 AM) frogeater: its amazing
(3:54:50 AM) frogeater: yes
(3:55:00 AM) frogeater: and now we have laws that you cant remove someone who is defaulting
(3:55:05 AM) frogeater: someone whos not paying gets to stay
(3:55:10 AM) frogeater: how is that even sane?
(3:55:11 AM) frogeater: lol
(3:55:16 AM) frogeater: dems are really insane
(3:55:19 AM) frogeater: its jsut crazy
(3:55:29 AM) frogeater: and fed doesnt even feel it has to give stats anymore
(3:55:32 AM) frogeater: fed running wild
(3:55:46 AM) frotz: how is it sane that banks got to make predatory loans without checking anybody's credit and then sell the loan to somebody else so it's another person's problem that the bank didnt perform due diligence?
(3:56:08 AM) frogeater: a govrnment agency that can photocopy a trillion a month aand give ti to whoever and its not accountable to elected officails? that is in your face unconstitutional
(3:56:10 AM) frogeater: in yer face
(3:56:23 AM) frotz: well you better get the consititution police to arrest them!
(3:56:25 AM) frogeater: constitution says any powers not explicity gievn to federal is right of states
(3:56:26 AM) frogeater: wow
(3:56:28 AM) frogeater: dems are nuts
(3:56:38 AM) frotz: yeah, dems are nuts. that's why the GOP is so popular right now.
(3:56:49 AM) frogeater: we need a revolt against thsi amatuer hour communist bullshit with big head attitude and fathead media
(3:56:51 AM) frogeater: wow
(3:56:56 AM) frogeater: amazingly stupid dems
(3:57:01 AM) frogeater: just plain crazy
(3:57:13 AM) frogeater: gop is going to gain in 2010
(3:57:15 AM) frogeater: watch
(3:57:22 AM) frogeater: and obama now might be a 1 termer
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(3:57:26 AM) frogeater: what a joker obama is
(3:57:36 AM) frogeater: and not so ggod off telestrater eh?
(3:57:45 AM) frogeater: every press conference question planned to the 9s
(3:57:46 AM) frogeater: lol
(3:57:50 AM) frogeater: fake master j
(3:57:50 AM) frotz: frogeater: of course they are. they're basically at zero right now and it's inevitable that they'll pick up a handful of seats just because the confederate south still votes for those idiots.
(3:57:55 AM) frogeater: fake master j
(3:58:01 AM) frogeater: oh heck yeah
(3:58:11 AM) frogeater: I wouldn't put health care in the bank either
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(3:58:20 AM) frotz: i've seen obama speak without a prompter and he's better than bush ever was even with a pre-written speech.
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(3:58:25 AM) frogeater: they should simply follow the grea tmitt romney and make health insurance like ca rinsurance
(3:58:28 AM) frogeater: gota have it
(3:58:33 AM) frogeater: kick all illegals outa usa
(3:58:39 AM) frogeater: kick everyone who not speak english out
(3:58:47 AM) frogeater: I say end public education
(3:58:54 AM) frogeater: videtape best teachers
(3:58:57 AM) frotz: well it obviously didnt do you any good.
(3:58:58 AM) frogeater: have theaters to watch
(3:59:06 AM) frogeater: end governemtn grants to universities
(3:59:10 AM) frogeater: end capital gains
(3:59:15 AM) frotz: yeah, we can be just like somalia!
(3:59:23 AM) frogeater: privatize city trnaportation let private trains taake over
(3:59:31 AM) frogeater: intercity trains should be awesome market
(3:59:41 AM) frogeater: wind and solar power should become commmon
(3:59:45 AM) frotz: yes, private transportation works so well. name some places where it's working well to privatize the public transit.
(3:59:48 AM) frogeater: tek advance is always faster under capitaism
(3:59:50 AM) frogeater: dems are idiots
(4:00:01 AM) frogeater: hold back so many market inovations with governmetn monopolies
(4:00:05 AM) frotz: waiting for you to name a place where privatizing public transit went well.
(4:00:07 AM) frogeater: dems are such morons
(4:00:14 AM) frotz: still waiting.
(4:00:15 AM) frogeater: every time its trie dit works well
(4:00:24 AM) frotz: where did it work well? name a place.
(4:00:30 AM) frogeater: market always delivers because market ensures no captured amrket
(4:00:35 AM) frogeater: if somethign sucks no one will buy it
(4:00:43 AM) frogeater: only governmetn can stick you with somethings shitty
(4:00:47 AM) frogeater: only goverment force
(4:00:55 AM) frogeater: central planning never works
(4:01:05 AM) frogeater: the price system of capitalims is wesome
(4:01:09 AM) frogeater: dems just dont understand it
(4:01:16 AM) frogeater: every palce it was tried
(4:01:31 AM) frogeater: a lot of economic developemnt in usa happnened due to private railroads
(4:01:45 AM) frogeater: you could even argue that the west was won by the railroad
(4:01:56 AM) frogeater: I can however name 100s of places where communism failed
(4:01:59 AM) frogeater: russia
(4:02:03 AM) frogeater: north korea
(4:02:09 AM) frogeater: need i go on?
(4:02:14 AM) frogeater: or are even you embaressed
(4:02:22 AM) frotz: if somebody was talking about communism it would almost be like you had a point.
(4:02:30 AM) frotz: you're the only person talking about communism.
(4:02:30 AM) frogeater: yeah
(4:02:32 AM) frogeater: exactly
(4:02:35 AM) frotz: regulating markets isnt communism.
(4:02:37 AM) frogeater: capitalism vs commnism
(4:02:41 AM) frogeater: thats what is at stake
(4:02:47 AM) frogeater: adn I am on the side of capitalims
(4:02:50 AM) frotz: capitalism doesnt work without good regulation.
(4:02:51 AM) frogeater: which bring plenty
(4:03:00 AM) frogeater: I am against governmetn and communism and monopoly
(4:03:03 AM) frogeater: dems love it
(4:03:06 AM) frotz: so if you like capitalism, then you should support good government and strong regulation.
(4:03:07 AM) frogeater: but you cant loot forever
(4:03:10 AM) frogeater: you gota produce
(4:03:13 AM) frogeater: thats wahts so funny
(4:03:19 AM) frogeater: supply side economics IS economics
(4:03:20 AM) frotz: government is a necessity for capitalism to work. look at iraq or somalia.
(4:03:25 AM) frogeater: the austrain school is economics
(4:03:32 AM) frogeater: all the keynesian bulshit is simply politics
(4:03:34 AM) frogeater: lol
(4:03:38 AM) frogeater: governmetn yes
(4:03:44 AM) frogeater: but very limited governmetn
(4:03:55 AM) frogeater: not the monster we ahve now and the mega monsters in the EU
(4:03:56 AM) frotz: name a place with very limited government where capitalism is working well.
(4:04:05 AM) frogeater: USA is no 1 because of capitalism
(4:04:12 AM) frotz: the EU is weathering the recession much better than us right now.
(4:04:17 AM) frogeater: we do not want to ape the failures of commnuims in europe and elsewhre
(4:04:22 AM) frogeater: its amazing we even lsiten to them
(4:04:23 AM) frogeater: they fail
(4:04:27 AM) frotz: what's the USA number 1 in lately? name a category where we're #1.
(4:04:28 AM) frogeater: we produce the most with the least
(4:04:35 AM) frogeater: its amazing we even lend 1 ear to their bullshit
(4:04:38 AM) frotz: name one.
(4:04:42 AM) frogeater: usa is far and away the best
(4:04:43 AM) frotz: if you can.
(4:04:48 AM) frotz: really?
(4:04:48 AM) frogeater: we should be giving all the lecures
(4:04:50 AM) frogeater: all of them
(4:04:52 AM) frogeater: yes
(4:04:55 AM) frogeater: absolutly
(4:05:02 AM) frogeater: we are leaders and most productive eocnomy ever
(4:05:03 AM) frotz: people starve to death in the USA every day, that doesnt happen in a lot of other places.
(4:05:03 AM) frogeater: why?
(4:05:09 AM) frogeater: beacuse we are msot capitalistic
(4:05:19 AM) frotz: name a category where the US leads the world. any sort of statistic.
(4:05:30 AM) frogeater: we ahve 1000s of greedy manager enginners and salespeople waking up every monday ready to improve effficiency and output
(4:05:33 AM) frogeater: other systems dont work
(4:05:41 AM) frogeater: centarl planning has the calculation problem
(4:05:48 AM) frotz: waiting for you to name something that the US is #1 in.
(4:05:58 AM) frogeater: with the vast complexities of large economies the price ssytem si the only way to transmit information
(4:05:59 AM) frotz: i have a world almanac right handy, this should be interesting.
(4:06:09 AM) frogeater: frederick hayek wrote a good book on it
(4:06:09 AM) frotz: still waiting.
(4:06:13 AM) frotz: guess you can't do it.
(4:06:13 AM) frogeater: called the road to serfdom
(4:06:19 AM) frogeater: centarl planning always will fail
(4:06:23 AM) frogeater: and capitalims
(4:06:50 AM) frotz:
(4:06:56 AM) frogeater: simply let peolpe prduce an innovate, have sound money, lighteweight courts for contract, and let the mrket go, whoeve rcan build a better product will improve and expand
(4:07:03 AM) frogeater: no one can stand stil or rest on past success
(4:07:08 AM) frogeater: they msut improve contnually
(4:07:14 AM) frogeater: this is the ggenius of it
(4:07:29 AM) frogeater: unlike static stale governmetn system where youhave to take shit
(4:07:33 AM) frogeater: you are free nto to buy
(4:07:43 AM) frogeater: and each shitty enterprise si free to adapt or go under
(4:07:56 AM) frogeater: and all of thsi lawsuit bullshitliek tivo suing dish for making a dvr
(4:08:00 AM) frogeater: that goes by the wayside
(4:08:07 AM) frogeater: most of patent bullshti si bullshit
(4:08:08 AM) frogeater: fuck all that
(4:08:27 AM) frogeater: if someone makes a better version then everyone is free to offer it and the consumer can deiced
(4:08:32 AM) frogeater: let the consumer device
(4:08:34 AM) frogeater: decide
(4:08:38 AM) frogeater: that si what dems fear
(4:08:47 AM) frogeater: because dems tend to not be producers but looters
(4:08:53 AM) frogeater: and communists
(4:09:01 AM) frogeater: people who want to tell others waht to do
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