wisdom on howto power your website

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(8:58:42 PM) sgt_squirt: linux+bsd killed the solaris starrs
(8:59:56 PM) Andys^: lol
(9:00:02 PM) Andys^: i think Sun did a pretty good job of it
(9:00:03 PM) Goncalo: come again sun, you're forgiven! :~)
(9:04:08 PM) Goncalo: in fairness, I don't see bsd in the picture at all. Linux yes, however :)
(9:04:52 PM) sgt_squirt: freebsd
(9:05:24 PM) sgt_squirt: netbsd is actually pretty awesome
(9:05:32 PM) sgt_squirt: freebsd even has the zfs
(9:05:33 PM) sgt_squirt: lol
(9:05:39 PM) Goncalo: I agree, technology wise, they are all very good
(9:05:40 PM) sgt_squirt: openbsd nice n clean
(9:05:47 PM) Goncalo: but they don't sell :)
(9:05:52 PM) sgt_squirt: archlinux could be the greatest
(9:05:59 PM) sgt_squirt: of course, they are free
(9:06:53 PM) Goncalo: Linux is free, yet it sells pretty well :)
(9:08:08 PM) sgt_squirt: redhat is like the microsft of linux, and should hope they dont become the sun
(9:08:23 PM) sgt_squirt: make money from your service not licensing the tek
(9:08:28 PM) sgt_squirt: my company will
(9:08:30 PM) sgt_squirt: I got big planz
(9:08:32 PM) sgt_squirt: :)
(9:08:42 PM) Goncalo: in terms of 'stars' within the Linux community, they certainly already became 'Sun'-like
(9:08:45 PM) sgt_squirt: anyone with brains avoids redaht
(9:08:49 PM) sgt_squirt: deadrat
(9:08:55 PM) sgt_squirt: oh?
(9:08:59 PM) sgt_squirt: like linus?
(9:09:03 PM) sgt_squirt: not very sunny
(9:09:12 PM) sgt_squirt: sun shoulda put vga port on servers long ago
(9:09:19 PM) sgt_squirt: make em crash cart friendly
(9:09:21 PM) sgt_squirt: :)
(9:09:25 PM) Goncalo: also, I disagree with your comment towards RH
(9:09:33 PM) Goncalo: Linus works for the oss labs
(9:09:34 PM) sgt_squirt: so be it
(9:10:46 PM) Goncalo: but a great number of the top kernel contributors, including the ones just under the linus hierarchy, work for RH
(9:11:18 PM) Goncalo: rh has some of the most talented people in OSS, hence why my comparison of RH with Sun :)
(9:11:24 PM) sgt_squirt: nah
(9:11:28 PM) sgt_squirt: they work at redhat
(9:11:31 PM) sgt_squirt: and not a graet number
(9:11:45 PM) sgt_squirt: google has some of the best software people
(9:11:47 PM) sgt_squirt: but
(9:11:53 PM) sgt_squirt: google sucks to me
(9:11:57 PM) sgt_squirt: duckduckgo :)
(9:12:07 PM) Goncalo: also, the reason why people choose RH instead of Arch Linux is that, RH can afford to offer support guarantees. Support is key to enable companies adoption
(9:12:21 PM) sgt_squirt: I think thats a myth that msot fo the top kernel contributors work at redhat
(9:12:25 PM) sgt_squirt: stallamn doesnt
(9:12:37 PM) sgt_squirt: support is highly overtaed
(9:12:45 PM) sgt_squirt: and liek virus companies can be self fullilling
(9:12:48 PM) Goncalo: stallman doesn't contribute to Linux, as far as I am aware..
(9:12:51 PM) sgt_squirt: archlinux needs far less support
(9:12:56 PM) sgt_squirt: and has a a packager that works
(9:12:57 PM) sgt_squirt: :)
(9:13:13 PM) sgt_squirt: and the further you gum up the basic programs behind your way, as redaht does horribly
(9:13:22 PM) sgt_squirt: the less you can goto a projects website adn simply use the docs
(9:13:26 PM) sgt_squirt: since now its not jsut program X
(9:13:33 PM) sgt_squirt: its redhats crappy spin on it
(9:13:37 PM) sgt_squirt: remember sun went outa biz
(9:13:40 PM) sgt_squirt: outa biz
(9:13:44 PM) sgt_squirt: cuz they didnt adapt
(9:13:50 PM) sgt_squirt: and made things too expensive and complex
(9:13:54 PM) sgt_squirt: outa biz
(9:14:09 PM) sgt_squirt: I mean you couldnt goto a sun server and plug in a crash cart until recently
(9:14:11 PM) sgt_squirt: wht the hell
(9:15:30 PM) sgt_squirt: now we ahve virtualization and SAN and pupet and clones fucking up stuff
(9:15:47 PM) sgt_squirt: its liek stick to local attached sfotriad, and free programs, and hire people who can code
(9:15:54 PM) sgt_squirt: dont buy boxes gobshite
(9:16:03 PM) sgt_squirt: dont use sugarCRM or jira or wordpresss
(9:16:10 PM) sgt_squirt: dont sue java
(9:16:14 PM) sgt_squirt: dont use ruby
(9:16:18 PM) sgt_squirt: dont use oracle
(9:16:20 PM) Goncalo: eh, dude
(9:16:21 PM) sgt_squirt: for odins sake
(9:16:31 PM) sgt_squirt: then u get fast free ssytem on commodify hardware
(9:16:32 PM) Goncalo: what should one use then?
(9:16:35 PM) sgt_squirt: with commodity disks
(9:16:38 PM) sgt_squirt: and life is awesome
(9:16:44 PM) Andys^: ...
(9:16:47 PM) sgt_squirt: scale horizontally
(9:17:22 PM) Andys^: not all of us are hosting Web 2.0 social network startups
(9:17:55 PM) sgt_squirt: banks too
(9:17:57 PM) sgt_squirt: defense
(9:18:03 PM) sgt_squirt: take all that virtual and san $$
(9:18:10 PM) sgt_squirt: buy ton of commodity stuff
(9:18:12 PM) sgt_squirt: and love life
(9:18:21 PM) Andys^: scaling horizontally and sticking to a tight SLA is actually really hard
(9:18:39 PM) Andys^: because commodity stuff fails in ugly ways
(9:19:48 PM) sgt_squirt: ah yes
(9:19:53 PM) sgt_squirt: but load balancing to the rscue!
(9:19:56 PM) sgt_squirt: :)
(9:20:09 PM) sgt_squirt: solaris boxes at tribune corp would get nuked after a patch
(9:20:10 PM) sgt_squirt: lol
(9:20:12 PM) sgt_squirt: lol
(9:20:16 PM) sgt_squirt: hazards !!
(9:20:29 PM) Andys^: load balancing MySQL .... in practice ... :X
(9:20:40 PM) sgt_squirt: ysql no no no no
(9:20:51 PM) sgt_squirt: postgresql or firebird or www.prevayler.org if u really smart
(9:20:56 PM) sgt_squirt: object prevalnce
(9:21:03 PM) sgt_squirt: in memory data fast query
(9:21:09 PM) sgt_squirt: log updates to disk
(9:21:18 PM) sgt_squirt: dump snapshot every couple hours
(9:21:19 PM) sgt_squirt: blam
(9:21:20 PM) sgt_squirt: !
(9:21:39 PM) Andys^: snapshot? so you *do* want a SAN ;)
(9:21:53 PM) sgt_squirt: well snapshot is sense of ram->disk
(9:21:59 PM) sgt_squirt: not your zfs centric snapshot
(9:22:00 PM) sgt_squirt: lol
(9:22:10 PM) sgt_squirt: smalltalk preceded zfs
9:22:32 PM) sgt_squirt: its awesome cuz i make so much money now
(9:22:36 PM) sgt_squirt: and have seen so much
(9:22:42 PM) sgt_squirt: i know to ignore msot of bullshit peopel spew
(9:22:46 PM) sgt_squirt: at first I listened
(9:23:01 PM) sgt_squirt: manager idiots optimizing
(9:23:07 PM) sgt_squirt: and crappy admin careerists
(9:23:14 PM) sgt_squirt: I hate solaris admins who now use linux the most
(9:23:17 PM) sgt_squirt: theya re the worst
(9:23:27 PM) sgt_squirt: all thsi big company garbage concept they wont part with
(9:23:29 PM) sgt_squirt: its all myth
(9:23:44 PM) Andys^: well if i scale vertically i can just use off the shelf stuff from reputable vendors
(9:23:53 PM) sgt_squirt: you will fail vertically
(9:23:58 PM) sgt_squirt: at comapny i am at now
(9:24:01 PM) sgt_squirt: they got vendored up
(9:24:06 PM) sgt_squirt: same hardware at team im helping
(9:24:09 PM) sgt_squirt: downtime
(9:24:10 PM) sgt_squirt: nonstop
(9:24:11 PM) Andys^: i have to support a 15 minute downtime max SLA and the time it would take me to build super-reliable horizontal services to do this requires alot of custom work
(9:24:16 PM) sgt_squirt: cuz all that complicated mess of shit breaks
(9:24:21 PM) Andys^: and that costs the company more than just buying NetApp
(9:24:23 PM) sgt_squirt: naaa
(9:24:30 PM) sgt_squirt: vendor stuff is all painful custom stuff
(9:24:33 PM) sgt_squirt: and mad expensive
(9:24:35 PM) Andys^: and its far from complicated. vmware VMs mounting on NFS over ethernet. couldn't be simpler
(9:24:45 PM) sgt_squirt: oh jesus
(9:24:58 PM) sgt_squirt: how about name based virtual hosts usign raid 10 softriad lcoal to box?
(9:25:02 PM) sgt_squirt: ;)
(9:25:07 PM) sgt_squirt: blam!