(02:02:44 PM) techoninja: can u basically replace cisco with openbsd? (02:03:01 PM) techoninja: some cisco guy I know said onyl company with no money

(02:02:44 PM) techoninja: can u basically replace cisco with openbsd?
(02:03:01 PM) techoninja: some cisco guy I know said onyl company with no money do it
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(02:03:09 PM) abadidea: aeturnus: none of us are really sure.
(02:03:22 PM) techoninja: I was told by some that u can basically use openbsd as cmplete router and load balancer no problems and awesome performance
(02:03:31 PM) renic: I stopped by to see if there was any discussion going on about "Allegations regarding openbsd ipsec"
(02:03:31 PM) snow_man: techoninja: you can replace cisco with a number of things; that is a very open-ended question
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(02:03:42 PM) aeturnus: eldragon: i think i missed the discussion on IKE being flawed, can you point me to where you see an issue?
(02:03:53 PM) jay: let him google for a bit
(02:04:01 PM) techoninja: why dont more people repalce cisco with a bsd or a linux?
(02:04:04 PM) renic: techoninja: BSD makes a great router.
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(02:04:11 PM) techoninja: do isp make you seocnd class if u try?
(02:04:14 PM) LarsN: I agree
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(02:04:28 PM) LarsN: and PF is a great firewall for that router. :)
(02:05:03 PM) abadidea: renic: short answer: we don't know if any of it's true yet. possibly all a hoax.
(02:05:08 PM) snow_man: 11:06 < techoninja> why dont more people repalce cisco with a bsd or a linux?
(02:05:12 PM) eldragon: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3948.txt flawed UDP Encapsulation of IPsec ESP Packets were evil designed by F-Secure Corporation, Microsoft, Cisco Systems and Nortel Networks.
(02:05:22 PM) snow_man: techoninja: certificaatand support are a huge plus for cisco in large companies
(02:05:27 PM) snow_man: certification and*
(02:05:54 PM) snow_man: if a cisco router dies and you have a support contract, its replaced that day, period
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(02:06:19 PM) aeturnus: eldragon: it's flawed because it was designed by corporate america?
(02:06:21 PM) snow_man: if a bsd/linux router dies, you need to get someone with experience to replace/rebuild it
(02:06:21 PM) renic: abadidea: thanks
(02:06:24 PM) KipMacy: mossad backdoored 9/11
(02:06:37 PM) CaZe: But if your OpenBSD router dies, Theo ill fly down from Canada to fix it that day, right?
(02:06:44 PM) itsnotabigtruck: http://xkcd.com/834/
(02:06:44 PM) CaZe: *will
(02:06:46 PM) itsnotabigtruck: check out the hover
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(02:07:04 PM) techoninja: certification and support?
(02:07:04 PM) eldragon: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3947.txt flawed Negotiation of NAT-Traversal in the IKE was evil designed by SafeNet, Microsoft, F-Secure Corporation and Cisco Systems.
(02:07:06 PM) techoninja: uh
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(02:07:26 PM) techoninja: can u take the 80% money save buy 5 more cheap amd boxes, and make 5 backup routers?
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(02:07:59 PM) KipMacy: eldragon is your brain broken
(02:08:02 PM) LarsN: itsnotabigtruck: that's awesome. Good catch.
(02:08:03 PM) techoninja: so seems like a lot of potential demadn for linux or bsd router producers
(02:08:09 PM) techoninja: wow
(02:08:33 PM) snow_man: techoninja: you realize that Cisco's IOS was based on linux right?
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(02:08:41 PM) techoninja: nope
(02:08:44 PM) techoninja: i didnt know it