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(6:21:46 PM) zefyr: deregulation _liberal?
(6:21:50 PM) havegot: and thats your only case, that everyone is stupid excaept the people who ignore reality and buy your theory that everything is the opposite of how it appears
(6:21:51 PM) nitus: zefyr that's because you don't know what liberal means
(6:21:52 PM) zefyr: im not getting it
(6:21:56 PM) cutgovspending: end pensions end unemployment and public school
(6:21:59 PM) cutgovspending: end all welfare
(6:22:00 PM) nitus: liberalizing = liberal
(6:22:01 PM) cutgovspending: end it
(6:22:04 PM) cutgovspending: oh yeah!!
(6:22:15 PM) cutgovspending: capitalits are liberals, whiel communists are fascsits
(6:22:21 PM) cutgovspending: freedom come sfrom capitalism
(6:22:31 PM) havegot: pure unadulturated mysticism
(6:22:36 PM) nitus: I think one problem in the usa is the two-party system
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(6:22:44 PM) nitus: parties don't have "wings" in democratic countries
(6:22:49 PM) zefyr: capitalism doesn't have a monopoly on freedom
(6:22:53 PM) nitus: the "wing" just splits off and forms its own party
(6:23:02 PM) havegot: and even if you are right that you are completely stupid it doesnt mean i have to be stupid too
(6:23:06 PM) nitus: in most countries, the tea party would be an actual party
(6:23:12 PM) cutgovspending: geoism is interesting
(6:23:15 PM) usatt1337: nitus, but then you can't herd the sheep
(6:23:18 PM) usatt1337: like we do in the US.
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(6:23:42 PM) slimjimflim: lol: http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/data/queenflash=griffysavalas250.jpg
(6:23:50 PM) nitus: at the opposite ends of both parties you find politicians who have more in common with each other than with the rest of their party
(6:24:03 PM) zefyr: so true nitus
(6:24:06 PM) nitus: you don't see that in countries that have multi-party systems
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(6:24:18 PM) nitus: a party is unified with the same message - otherwise it splits in two
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(6:24:29 PM) havegot: you think its all about the parties, its not. The moment you decided to target people for not hating who your patrty tells them to hate it would be silly to assume you and yyour party has any gopal besuides siezing power
(6:24:45 PM) usatt1337: nitus: are you saying in a country like Germany?
(6:25:04 PM) usatt1337: with multi parties.
(6:25:51 PM) nitus: I'm thinking of canada
(6:25:53 PM) nitus: as I'm canadian
(6:26:08 PM) nitus: our right wing party had a scism in the late 80s, similar to what the gop is doing
(6:26:18 PM) nitus: except in canada it just became a seperate party
(6:26:25 PM) zefyr: havegot, i agree that the politics of hate is ultimately bad for society
(6:26:54 PM) usatt1337: nitus, if the tea party split into its own party
(6:26:58 PM) usatt1337: people would see it for what it really is.
(6:27:11 PM) havegot: too littl;e too late. The moment the retarded rascist republicans began their holy war they lost any right they ever had to use words to make their case. Words are too good for them
(6:27:20 PM) usatt1337: and the tea partiers feed off of trying to tag onto something bigger, which is the GOP.
(6:27:29 PM) zefyr: but just becaue republicans are so adept at that method of politicing, doesnt mean they have nothing worthwhile in thier movement
(6:28:29 PM) cutgovspending: republicans are cool
(6:28:30 PM) zefyr: wow. Words are too good for you. epic dismissal. kudos havegot
(6:28:31 PM) cutgovspending: dems evil
(6:28:34 PM) nitus: usatt1337 I'm not sure it even *could become its own party
(6:28:37 PM) cutgovspending: canadaians all seem to be dems
(6:28:45 PM) cutgovspending: interesting health system tho
(6:28:48 PM) usatt1337: cutgovspending: your trolling is poor.
(6:28:56 PM) cutgovspending: demand side monopoly by governemtn for med ical services n machines
(6:28:56 PM) nitus: the only way you can put a new party into power in the states is if everybody in party A jumps ship to party B
(6:29:06 PM) nitus: which amounts to just changing the stationery
(6:29:06 PM) cutgovspending: usatt1337: your lame trol calling is poor
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(6:29:20 PM) cutgovspending: way u win in usa is improve the economy
(6:29:28 PM) havegot: yes it does. The position that they must hate and try to kill everyone who doesnt hate who they hate makes them nazis. Whatever they say it is just a klie and the moment we turn our back on them they will resume their holy crusade of murder
(6:29:29 PM) cutgovspending: dems are losing cuz they are nuking it
(6:29:41 PM) cutgovspending: I vote republican each time
(6:29:47 PM) usatt1337: Republicans are just a bunch of forum trolls dressed up as politicians if you ask me.
(6:29:48 PM) nitus: cutgovspending that's the way you win everywhere in times like these
(6:29:51 PM) Maddy: I like Sue as a principal
(6:29:58 PM) cutgovspending: I mean if communism works we could just whip up a mansion for eewveryone
(6:29:58 PM) cutgovspending: eh
(6:30:01 PM) havegot: In fact its an insult to our inteligence that they tried to kill us and now expect us to but this quasi religion reversalism
(6:30:06 PM) nitus: the conservative party of canada spends less and taxes less
(6:30:10 PM) nitus: and canadians like that
(6:30:12 PM) usatt1337: govspending
(6:30:17 PM) cutgovspending: I dont liek word conservaive
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(6:30:22 PM) cutgovspending: I prefer capitalist or liberal
(6:30:32 PM) usatt1337: Can you explain why there is such a big correlation between republicans and bible thumping?
(6:30:33 PM) cutgovspending: communists vs capitalists
(6:30:36 PM) cutgovspending: is clearer
(6:30:36 PM) nitus: well you should read a dictionary then
(6:30:45 PM) nitus: because capitalists are liberals
(6:30:45 PM) cutgovspending: collectivists vs free neterprisers
(6:30:51 PM) cutgovspending: yes
(6:30:56 PM) nitus: liberalization = liberal
(6:30:56 PM) cutgovspending: capitalsits are liberals
(6:31:03 PM) cutgovspending: freedom
(6:31:06 PM) nitus: deregulation = liberal
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(6:31:14 PM) cutgovspending: liberty is in line with capitalism no fascism/communism
(6:31:19 PM) nitus: that's what I mean, the gop is not fiscally conservative
(6:31:26 PM) nitus: they are economically liberal
(6:31:33 PM) cutgovspending: best growth happened under ron ragan for 8 years
(6:31:36 PM) zefyr: i never seize to be amazed at the level of havegots hat for half the citizens in America (ie republicans)
(6:31:37 PM) cutgovspending: peacetime
(6:31:41 PM) zefyr: hate^
(6:31:42 PM) nitus: clinton
(6:31:46 PM) havegot: when they learn to treat me like a human being then I will slit their throats because it is too little, too late
(6:31:51 PM) cutgovspending: waelth is created by freedom and capitalism
(6:32:02 PM) usatt1337: define wealth
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(6:32:20 PM) mythomaniac: usatt1337: who the fuck are you?
(6:32:23 PM) usatt1337: and wealth for who (what percent of population)
(6:32:33 PM) usatt1337: mythomaniac: not important who I am, this is the internet.
(6:32:42 PM) usatt1337: not important who anyone is.
(6:32:52 PM) mythomaniac: usatt1337: you been on here by another nick?
(6:32:53 PM) sevenless: zefyr: republicans are trying to destroy the country
(6:32:57 PM) zefyr: cutgovspending, have you considered the cost of corporations taking over all aspects of modern life
(6:32:57 PM) sevenless: why would you not hate them
(6:33:00 PM) usatt1337: mythomaniac: don't believe so.
(6:33:06 PM) mythomaniac: k
(6:34:07 PM) cutgovspending: cost
(6:34:09 PM) cutgovspending: ?
(6:34:13 PM) havegot: I dont hate them any more than I hate anyone else who is trying to use terror to promote a political agenda. I feel sorry for them and am willing to spend billions of tax dollars to strip them naked which is the cure for the disease they have
(6:34:16 PM) cutgovspending: weird idea
(6:34:33 PM) zefyr: i was all for free trade when everyone was in the game. but now you have to be pretty elite to play
(6:34:37 PM) cutgovspending: whats cost of ben bernanke printing 4 trillion he never producined anything to back up and hadning ti to his pals?
(6:34:42 PM) cutgovspending: to loan out for profit
(6:34:50 PM) cutgovspending: banks are governemtn pigs
(6:34:54 PM) cutgovspending: insuarnace too
(6:34:59 PM) cutgovspending: but problem si governemtn
(6:35:03 PM) cutgovspending: not competition or market
(6:35:04 PM) epicurus: cutgovspending, reagan doubled the national debt in 8 years
(6:35:06 PM) cutgovspending: government
(6:35:10 PM) cutgovspending: no he did not
(6:35:10 PM) usatt1337: The problem is oil drilling
(6:35:11 PM) epicurus: cutgovspending, is that what you mean by cutting spending?
(6:35:16 PM) cutgovspending: democrat congress overspeding did that
(6:35:16 PM) usatt1337: or anything else that hurts the environment
(6:35:20 PM) cutgovspending: and he did nto double it
(6:35:26 PM) usatt1337: why is it fair to exploit natural resources for profit?
(6:35:28 PM) usatt1337: it's not.
(6:35:28 PM) epicurus: cutgovspending, did ronnie sign the budget?
(6:35:31 PM) cutgovspending: people need to not lsiten to crazy paul krugman bs about reagan
(6:35:37 PM) usatt1337: that only creates short term "wealth"
(6:35:40 PM) cutgovspending: paul krugman is a fool who knows nothing of economics
(6:35:42 PM) cutgovspending: keynes is bunk
(6:35:44 PM) nitus: lol epicurus obama did it a lot faster than that ;p
(6:35:46 PM) cutgovspending: keynesian economic failed
(6:35:48 PM) cutgovspending: the fed failed
(6:35:52 PM) cutgovspending: and wil always fail
(6:35:57 PM) zefyr: dem or republicans each spend the same. reps just finance most of it
(6:36:04 PM) usatt1337: cutgovspending: the problem I have is with the corporations that exploit other people and resources for profit
(6:36:08 PM) cutgovspending: Ron reagan is who we need now
(6:36:11 PM) usatt1337: that doesn't "create wealth"
(6:36:15 PM) cutgovspending: mitt romney will be some semblance I hope
(6:36:15 PM) epicurus: cutgovspending, to do what?
(6:36:20 PM) cutgovspending: I vote for mitt in under 2 yaer
(6:36:21 PM) cutgovspending: :)
(6:36:22 PM) nitus: the guys who aren't in power always complain about spending
(6:36:27 PM) cutgovspending: to grow the conomy
(6:36:27 PM) havegot: what they mean by free trade is fraud and theft, what they mean by cutting the government is cutting oversight, and what they mean by their economic lies is that they believe people are stupid enough to believe anything carl rove tells them to think
(6:36:29 PM) nitus: then they get power and they do the same old shit
(6:36:35 PM) usatt1337: that creates turmoil, poverty and violence.
(6:36:42 PM) cutgovspending: unlink democrats ragan grew the eocnomy byy cutting taxes and allowing commerce and freedom
(6:36:50 PM) cutgovspending: ron reagns time was real prosiperity
(6:36:52 PM) epicurus: cutgovspending, who the fuck is ragan?
(6:37:03 PM) cutgovspending: not huge tax increaces hidden by governemnt finance enabled net bubble liek sad ass clinton
(6:37:06 PM) cutgovspending: clitnon was a afarce
(6:37:13 PM) zefyr: cutgovspending, just because taxes were cut, doesnt mean spending decreased
(6:37:16 PM) cutgovspending: geoge bush should get 2 nobel prides
(6:37:17 PM) epicurus: cutgovspending, taxes are lower now than they were in reagan era
(6:37:20 PM) cutgovspending: and take obamas away
(6:37:31 PM) usatt1337: George Bush should get 2 shots in the face
(6:37:31 PM) cutgovspending: georege bush lberated two countries from mercialless dicatores
(6:37:39 PM) epicurus: cutgovspending, would you say the 1950s were prosperous?
(6:37:39 PM) cutgovspending: the usa military had amazing heroic victories
(6:37:42 PM) usatt1337: he liberated them by taxes
(6:37:43 PM) usatt1337: taxing americans
(6:37:45 PM) usatt1337: to fight.
(6:37:46 PM) cutgovspending: adn usa is much safer than it was
(6:37:48 PM) epicurus: cutgovspending, = troll
(6:37:50 PM) usatt1337: in a foreign country.
(6:37:52 PM) cutgovspending: obama yes is eroding that
(6:37:55 PM) usatt1337: lol
(6:38:06 PM) cutgovspending: the 1980 were amazingly prosperous
(6:38:12 PM) cutgovspending: yes jfk got us into viet nam
(6:38:13 PM) usatt1337: cutgovspending: bye.
(6:38:13 PM) epicurus: cutgovspending, what about the 50s?
(6:38:14 PM) zefyr: George HW bush called reagonomics voodoo economics
(6:38:15 PM) havegot: so because the retarded rascist republicans hate democrats so much they spin everything they do, but the nobel prize committee is not a republican, so they dont buy that reversalist bullsghit
(6:38:20 PM) nitus: cutgovspending there are 500 times more terrorists now than before Bush
(6:38:22 PM) cutgovspending: 19080s > 1950s?
(6:38:24 PM) nitus: america isn't safer
(6:38:27 PM) cutgovspending: nope
(6:38:33 PM) cutgovspending: much much less terrosim now that b4
(6:38:40 PM) usatt1337: lol
(6:38:40 PM) cutgovspending: and bush kept usa safe for 8 years
(6:38:43 PM) usatt1337: that's false.
(6:38:44 PM) cutgovspending: obama gone in 2
(6:38:46 PM) cutgovspending: good riddance
(6:38:50 PM) havegot: we have the nobel priize they have limbaughs lies
(6:38:53 PM) cutgovspending: only morons could vote democrat
(6:38:57 PM) cutgovspending: complete morons
(6:39:00 PM) nitus: he'd have to fuck up pretty royally to avoid a second term
(6:39:02 PM) cutgovspending: who dont know history or economics
(6:39:08 PM) zefyr: cutgovspending, as if one president controlled the safety of the uS?
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(6:39:10 PM) cutgovspending: and yes the bible aprt of repubican aprty is 5%
(6:39:15 PM) cutgovspending: no oen amking aboriation illegal
(6:39:19 PM) cutgovspending: :)
(6:39:26 PM) cutgovspending: ther eis no reason to vote democrat
(6:39:28 PM) epicurus: cutgovspending, unemployment has been lower and the stock market has done better under democrats for the last 80 years
(6:39:39 PM) cutgovspending: despite young people being misled by lies on jon stewart
(6:39:43 PM) cutgovspending: and feeling ti ship to be democat
(6:39:50 PM) cutgovspending: because rational through is enemy of the communist
(6:39:51 PM) zefyr: cutgovspending, theres one big reason. populism
(6:39:55 PM) epicurus: every time the republicans get control of anything they completely reverse course and fuck things up
(6:39:57 PM) cutgovspending: communism wil never work
(6:39:59 PM) cutgovspending: has never worked
(6:40:02 PM) havegot: They seeked out an obscure sect of christianity that happens to fit their agenda and used it for political purposes
(6:40:08 PM) epicurus: someone kick this floodtard
(6:40:08 PM) cutgovspending: if it did we all hav enice governemtn created mansion and bentley
(6:40:17 PM) cutgovspending: i can nly imgaine fi freeodm was allowed more
(6:40:21 PM) cutgovspending: how cheaper things owuld be
(6:40:28 PM) cutgovspending: since governemtn finance in 19013 the fed established
(6:40:37 PM) cutgovspending: price no longer go down each year as efficiency goes up
(6:40:38 PM) cutgovspending: nope
(6:40:40 PM) zefyr: cutgovspending, prices=wages. take some economics
(6:40:49 PM) cutgovspending: governemtn outspends it by overpsening money thye nver earned
(6:40:50 PM) cutgovspending: amazing
(6:40:51 PM) epicurus: reaoalayryar dideda googg aa
(6:40:55 PM) cutgovspending: I am amazing things are this good
(6:40:59 PM) Maddy: ALADDIN!
(6:41:03 PM) cutgovspending: show tremedous power of mass production and captialism
(6:41:06 PM) mythomaniac: Maddy: you called?
(6:41:08 PM) cutgovspending: defense is 22% fo GDP
(6:41:12 PM) cutgovspending: 22%
(6:41:17 PM) cutgovspending: welfare is 72% of GDP
(6:41:18 PM) zefyr: no way
(6:41:21 PM) cutgovspending: jsut giving money away
(6:41:23 PM) cutgovspending: unearned
(6:41:29 PM) cutgovspending: imagine of 2/3 of GDP was recouped
(6:41:33 PM) cutgovspending: end all union pension
(6:41:36 PM) cutgovspending: end unemplyemnt
(6:41:41 PM) sevenless: What's taught in economic classes is right wing propaganda
(6:41:42 PM) cutgovspending: dont pay people to not produce anythign
(6:41:47 PM) havegot: so the moment they decided that their hate for the democrats was more important to them then the theory of emopiricism there was no point using words. they use words only as weapons and that makes them a disease in the body of civilisation
(6:41:48 PM) cutgovspending: dont pay women to ahve baby
(6:41:49 PM) epicurus: if oabama and asr aoraaagan ronaled wuz ifn taxez mbusah gfereemdoms
(6:41:55 PM) zefyr: defence is over half the budget. expressing it as percentage of GDP is just distubiung
(6:42:06 PM) cutgovspending: and I can dream fo amazing productivity and cheapness of commidty fod and goods
(6:42:08 PM) epicurus: FREEEDUUMNMMM
(6:42:11 PM) cutgovspending: getting cheapre every year
(6:42:11 PM) cutgovspending: wow
(6:42:25 PM) cutgovspending: 22% fo GDP and defense invents everything
(6:42:27 PM) cutgovspending: everything