Saturday, February 27, 2010
Charlie Cook: "Very hard" to see how Democrats keep House
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/house/charlie-cook.html
health care comparison japan does with without communism and has low costs
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/countries/
Five Capitalist Democracies & How They Do It
Each has a health care system that delivers health care for everyone -- but with remarkable differences.
* Related Readings
* Graphs: U.S. Health Stats Compared to Other Countries
* Health Care Systems -- The Four Basic Models
United Kingdom
uk flag
An interview with an expert on the UK's system +
Percentage of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) spent on health care: 8.3
Average family premium: None; funded by taxation.
Co-payments: None for most services; some co-pays for dental care, eyeglasses and 5 percent of prescriptions. Young people and the elderly are exempt from all drug co-pays.
What is it? The British system is "socialized medicine" because the government both provides and pays for health care. Britons pay taxes for health care, and the government-run National Health Service (NHS) distributes those funds to health care providers. Hospital doctors are paid salaries. General practitioners (GPs), who run private practices, are paid based on the number of patients they see. A small number of specialists work outside the NHS and see private-pay patients.
How does it work? Because the system is funded through taxes, administrative costs are low; there are no bills to collect or claims to review. Patients have a "medical home" in their GP, who also serves as a gatekeeper to the rest of the system; patients must see their GP before going to a specialist. GPs, who are paid extra for keeping their patients healthy, are instrumental in preventive care, an area in which Britain is a world leader.
What are the concerns? The stereotype of socialized medicine -- long waits and limited choice -- still has some truth. In response, the British government has instituted reforms to help make care more competitive and give patients more choice. Hospitals now compete for NHS funds distributed by local Primary Care Trusts, and starting in April 2008 patients are able to choose where they want to be treated for many procedures.
Japan
jp flag
An interview with an expert on Japan's system +
Percentage of GDP spent on health care: 8
Average family premium: $280 per month, with employers paying more than half.
Co-payments: 30 percent of the cost of a procedure, but the total amount paid in a month is capped according to income.
What is it? Japan uses a "social insurance" system in which all citizens are required to have health insurance, either through their work or purchased from a nonprofit, community-based plan. Those who can't afford the premiums receive public assistance. Most health insurance is private; doctors and almost all hospitals are in the private sector.
How does it work? Japan boasts some of the best health statistics in the world, no doubt due in part to the Japanese diet and lifestyle. Unlike the U.K., there are no gatekeepers; the Japanese can go to any specialist when and as often as they like. Every two years the Ministry of Health negotiates with physicians to set the price for every procedure. This helps keeps costs down.
What are the concerns? In fact, Japan has been so successful at keeping costs down that Japan now spends too little on health care; half of the hospitals in Japan are operating in the red. Having no gatekeepers means there's no check on how often the Japanese use health care, and patients may lack a medical home.
Germany
de flag
An interview with an expert on Germany's system +
Percentage of GDP spent on health care: 10.7
Average family premium: $750 per month; premiums are pegged to patients' income.
Co-payments: 10 euros ($15) every three months; some patients, like pregnant women, are exempt.
What is it? Germany, like Japan, uses a social insurance model. In fact, Germany is the birthplace of social insurance, which dates back to Chancellor Otto von Bismarck. But unlike the Japanese, who get insurance from work or are assigned to a community fund, Germans are free to buy their insurance from one of more than 200 private, nonprofit "sickness funds." As in Japan, the poor receive public assistance to pay their premiums.
How does it work? Sickness funds are nonprofit and cannot deny coverage based on preexisting conditions; they compete with each other for members, and fund managers are paid based on the size of their enrollments. Like Japan, Germany is a single-payment system, but instead of the government negotiating the prices, the sickness funds bargain with doctors as a group. Germans can go straight to a specialist without first seeing a gatekeeper doctor, but they may pay a higher co-pay if they do.
What are the concerns? The single-payment system leaves some German doctors feeling underpaid. A family doctor in Germany makes about two-thirds as much as he or she would in America. (Then again, German doctors pay much less for malpractice insurance, and many attend medical school for free.) Germany also lets the richest 10 percent opt out of the sickness funds in favor of U.S.-style for-profit insurance. These patients are generally seen more quickly by doctors, because the for-profit insurers pay doctors more than the sickness funds.
Taiwan
tw flag
An interview with an expert on Taiwan's system +
Percentage GDP spent on health care: 6.3
Average family premium: $650 per year for a family for four.
Co-payments: 20 percent of the cost of drugs, up to $6.50; up to $7 for outpatient care; $1.80 for dental and traditional Chinese medicine. There are exemptions for major diseases, childbirth, preventive services, and for the poor, veterans, and children.
What is it? Taiwan adopted a "National Health Insurance" model in 1995 after studying other countries' systems. Like Japan and Germany, all citizens must have insurance, but there is only one, government-run insurer. Working people pay premiums split with their employers; others pay flat rates with government help; and some groups, like the poor and veterans, are fully subsidized. The resulting system is similar to Canada's -- and the U.S. Medicare program.
How does it work? Taiwan's new health system extended insurance to the 40 percent of the population that lacked it while actually decreasing the growth of health care spending. The Taiwanese can see any doctor without a referral. Every citizen has a smart card, which is used to store his or her medical history and bill the national insurer. The system also helps public health officials monitor standards and effect policy changes nationwide. Thanks to this use of technology and the country's single insurer, Taiwan's health care system has the lowest administrative costs in the world.
What are the concerns? Like Japan, Taiwan's system is not taking in enough money to cover the medical care it provides. The problem is compounded by politics, because it is up to Taiwan's parliament to approve an increase in insurance premiums, which it has only done once since the program was enacted.
Switzerland
ch flag
An interview with an expert on Switzerland's system +
Percentage of GDP spent on health care: 11.6
Average monthly family premium: $750, paid entirely by consumers; there are government subsidies for low-income citizens.
Co-payments: 10 percent of the cost of services, up to $420 per year.
What is it? The Swiss system is social insurance like in Japan and Germany, voted in by a national referendum in 1994. Switzerland didn't have far to go to achieve universal coverage; 95 percent of the population already had voluntary insurance when the law was passed. All citizens are required to have coverage; those not covered were automatically assigned to a company. The government provides assistance to those who can't afford the premiums.
How does it work? The Swiss example shows that universal coverage is possible, even in a highly capitalist nation with powerful insurance and pharmaceutical industries. Insurance companies are not allowed to make a profit on basic care and are prohibited from cherry-picking only young and healthy applicants. They can make money on supplemental insurance, however. As in Germany, the insurers negotiate with providers to set standard prices for services, but drug prices are set by the government.
What are the concerns? The Swiss system is the second most expensive in the world -- but it's still far cheaper than U.S. health care. Drug prices are still slightly higher than in other European nations, and even then the discounts may be subsidized by the more expensive U.S. market, where some Swiss drug companies make one-third of their profits. In general, the Swiss do not have gatekeeper doctors, although some insurance plans require them or give a discount to consumers who use them.
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live chat with correspondent t.r. reid + teacher's guide + readings & links + site map + dvd + transcript + press reaction
credits + privacy policy + journalistic guidelines + FRONTLINE series home + wgbh + pbs
posted april 15, 2008
FRONTLINE is a registered trademark of wgbh educational foundation.
background photograph © image100/corbis
web site copyright 1995-2010 WGBH educational foundation
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Five Capitalist Democracies & How They Do It
Each has a health care system that delivers health care for everyone -- but with remarkable differences.
* Related Readings
* Graphs: U.S. Health Stats Compared to Other Countries
* Health Care Systems -- The Four Basic Models
United Kingdom
uk flag
An interview with an expert on the UK's system +
Percentage of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) spent on health care: 8.3
Average family premium: None; funded by taxation.
Co-payments: None for most services; some co-pays for dental care, eyeglasses and 5 percent of prescriptions. Young people and the elderly are exempt from all drug co-pays.
What is it? The British system is "socialized medicine" because the government both provides and pays for health care. Britons pay taxes for health care, and the government-run National Health Service (NHS) distributes those funds to health care providers. Hospital doctors are paid salaries. General practitioners (GPs), who run private practices, are paid based on the number of patients they see. A small number of specialists work outside the NHS and see private-pay patients.
How does it work? Because the system is funded through taxes, administrative costs are low; there are no bills to collect or claims to review. Patients have a "medical home" in their GP, who also serves as a gatekeeper to the rest of the system; patients must see their GP before going to a specialist. GPs, who are paid extra for keeping their patients healthy, are instrumental in preventive care, an area in which Britain is a world leader.
What are the concerns? The stereotype of socialized medicine -- long waits and limited choice -- still has some truth. In response, the British government has instituted reforms to help make care more competitive and give patients more choice. Hospitals now compete for NHS funds distributed by local Primary Care Trusts, and starting in April 2008 patients are able to choose where they want to be treated for many procedures.
Japan
jp flag
An interview with an expert on Japan's system +
Percentage of GDP spent on health care: 8
Average family premium: $280 per month, with employers paying more than half.
Co-payments: 30 percent of the cost of a procedure, but the total amount paid in a month is capped according to income.
What is it? Japan uses a "social insurance" system in which all citizens are required to have health insurance, either through their work or purchased from a nonprofit, community-based plan. Those who can't afford the premiums receive public assistance. Most health insurance is private; doctors and almost all hospitals are in the private sector.
How does it work? Japan boasts some of the best health statistics in the world, no doubt due in part to the Japanese diet and lifestyle. Unlike the U.K., there are no gatekeepers; the Japanese can go to any specialist when and as often as they like. Every two years the Ministry of Health negotiates with physicians to set the price for every procedure. This helps keeps costs down.
What are the concerns? In fact, Japan has been so successful at keeping costs down that Japan now spends too little on health care; half of the hospitals in Japan are operating in the red. Having no gatekeepers means there's no check on how often the Japanese use health care, and patients may lack a medical home.
Germany
de flag
An interview with an expert on Germany's system +
Percentage of GDP spent on health care: 10.7
Average family premium: $750 per month; premiums are pegged to patients' income.
Co-payments: 10 euros ($15) every three months; some patients, like pregnant women, are exempt.
What is it? Germany, like Japan, uses a social insurance model. In fact, Germany is the birthplace of social insurance, which dates back to Chancellor Otto von Bismarck. But unlike the Japanese, who get insurance from work or are assigned to a community fund, Germans are free to buy their insurance from one of more than 200 private, nonprofit "sickness funds." As in Japan, the poor receive public assistance to pay their premiums.
How does it work? Sickness funds are nonprofit and cannot deny coverage based on preexisting conditions; they compete with each other for members, and fund managers are paid based on the size of their enrollments. Like Japan, Germany is a single-payment system, but instead of the government negotiating the prices, the sickness funds bargain with doctors as a group. Germans can go straight to a specialist without first seeing a gatekeeper doctor, but they may pay a higher co-pay if they do.
What are the concerns? The single-payment system leaves some German doctors feeling underpaid. A family doctor in Germany makes about two-thirds as much as he or she would in America. (Then again, German doctors pay much less for malpractice insurance, and many attend medical school for free.) Germany also lets the richest 10 percent opt out of the sickness funds in favor of U.S.-style for-profit insurance. These patients are generally seen more quickly by doctors, because the for-profit insurers pay doctors more than the sickness funds.
Taiwan
tw flag
An interview with an expert on Taiwan's system +
Percentage GDP spent on health care: 6.3
Average family premium: $650 per year for a family for four.
Co-payments: 20 percent of the cost of drugs, up to $6.50; up to $7 for outpatient care; $1.80 for dental and traditional Chinese medicine. There are exemptions for major diseases, childbirth, preventive services, and for the poor, veterans, and children.
What is it? Taiwan adopted a "National Health Insurance" model in 1995 after studying other countries' systems. Like Japan and Germany, all citizens must have insurance, but there is only one, government-run insurer. Working people pay premiums split with their employers; others pay flat rates with government help; and some groups, like the poor and veterans, are fully subsidized. The resulting system is similar to Canada's -- and the U.S. Medicare program.
How does it work? Taiwan's new health system extended insurance to the 40 percent of the population that lacked it while actually decreasing the growth of health care spending. The Taiwanese can see any doctor without a referral. Every citizen has a smart card, which is used to store his or her medical history and bill the national insurer. The system also helps public health officials monitor standards and effect policy changes nationwide. Thanks to this use of technology and the country's single insurer, Taiwan's health care system has the lowest administrative costs in the world.
What are the concerns? Like Japan, Taiwan's system is not taking in enough money to cover the medical care it provides. The problem is compounded by politics, because it is up to Taiwan's parliament to approve an increase in insurance premiums, which it has only done once since the program was enacted.
Switzerland
ch flag
An interview with an expert on Switzerland's system +
Percentage of GDP spent on health care: 11.6
Average monthly family premium: $750, paid entirely by consumers; there are government subsidies for low-income citizens.
Co-payments: 10 percent of the cost of services, up to $420 per year.
What is it? The Swiss system is social insurance like in Japan and Germany, voted in by a national referendum in 1994. Switzerland didn't have far to go to achieve universal coverage; 95 percent of the population already had voluntary insurance when the law was passed. All citizens are required to have coverage; those not covered were automatically assigned to a company. The government provides assistance to those who can't afford the premiums.
How does it work? The Swiss example shows that universal coverage is possible, even in a highly capitalist nation with powerful insurance and pharmaceutical industries. Insurance companies are not allowed to make a profit on basic care and are prohibited from cherry-picking only young and healthy applicants. They can make money on supplemental insurance, however. As in Germany, the insurers negotiate with providers to set standard prices for services, but drug prices are set by the government.
What are the concerns? The Swiss system is the second most expensive in the world -- but it's still far cheaper than U.S. health care. Drug prices are still slightly higher than in other European nations, and even then the discounts may be subsidized by the more expensive U.S. market, where some Swiss drug companies make one-third of their profits. In general, the Swiss do not have gatekeeper doctors, although some insurance plans require them or give a discount to consumers who use them.
home + introduction + watch online + five countries + interviews + analysis + join the discussion + q & a with t.r. reid
live chat with correspondent t.r. reid + teacher's guide + readings & links + site map + dvd + transcript + press reaction
credits + privacy policy + journalistic guidelines + FRONTLINE series home + wgbh + pbs
posted april 15, 2008
FRONTLINE is a registered trademark of wgbh educational foundation.
background photograph © image100/corbis
web site copyright 1995-2010 WGBH educational foundation
TODAY ON FRONTLINE
digital nation
Digital Nation
It's unlike anything we've ever done. FRONTLINE's making a film and publishing as we go: video, interviews, blogging... »
Inside the Making of a FRONTLINE - Video
Veteran producer Michael Kirk has just finished the first of a 3-parter on the economic mess... »
rich dad guy Kiyosaki full of shit
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2007/07/17/chuck-jaffe-puts-the-rich-dad-in-his-place/
http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2010/road_to_rich_dad/main.html
http://www.johntreed.com/ReedonWhitney.html
http://www.johntreed.com/Reedgururating.html#anchor529971
http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2010/road_to_rich_dad/main.html
http://www.johntreed.com/ReedonWhitney.html
http://www.johntreed.com/Reedgururating.html#anchor529971
Harvard Professor's Shocking Proposal: Starve the Palestinians in Gaza into Having Fewer Babies
http://www.alternet.org/world/145831/harvard_professor%27s_shocking_proposal%3A_starve_the_palestinians_in_gaza_into_having_fewer_babies_
health insurance prices outa control
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/02/25/MNLV1C78RH.DTL
Robert Kiyosaki taken down by CBC
http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/02/25/robert-kiyosaki-taken-down-by-cbc/
Friday, February 26, 2010
Obama to Boehner: People Would 'Profoundly Disagree' with Your Facts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_ADtUPu_ks
Daniel Hannan MEP: The devalued Prime Minister of a devalued Government
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
UKIP Nigel Farage Destroys Herman Van Rompuy EU President
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxESjGmqqw4
Thursday, February 25, 2010
I am a 29 year old man who has had sex with literally hundreds of prostitutes. Ask Me Anything. (self.IAmA)
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9u2rv/i_am_a_29_year_old_man_who_has_had_sex_with/
Wednesday, February 24, 2010
Tiger Woods: A Cautionary Tale For All American Men
Tiger Woods: A Cautionary Tale For All American Men
I, for one, have heard enough about the trials and tribulations of Tiger Woods. What, exactly, is so shocking or surprising about this story? Well something is, but it isn’t exactly what you and everyone else seem to think.
Tiger, whose net worth was estimated by Forbes in October 2009 to be about 500 million dollars, is a man who made his first television appearance some thirty years ago as a nascent golf pro at age 4 on The Mike Douglas Show. By all accounts, this is a person who, like the tennis-playing Williams sisters, has been singularly focused practically since birth on one goal: to be the absolute best player in his chosen sport.
Just a guess from observing his demeanor and hearing his very controlled interviews (not to mention his painfully unrevealing “apology” press conference): Tiger is someone who probably had very little time for a social life growing up. Guy friends, girlfriends, and all that goes with that were likely shoved aside for early mornings hitting ball after ball after ball with his dad. Did he develop like a normal American teenager? Did he make out in the backseat of his car with girls with whom he went to school? Did he go to his prom? Did he ever just hook up? I tend to doubt it.
Spare me the bromide I have heard over and over that all of this is so tragic because Tiger Woods did what he did despite having “so much to lose.” Why are we being so politically correct about this? In my view, Tiger Woods did what he did because he had “so much.” He did it for the same reason that the dog licked himself: because he could. I believe that Tiger did what I would expect any younger man who sacrificed so much in his life to earn $500 million and who is constantly on the road would do: he invited women to keep him company, in any number of ways. He finally allowed himself to enjoy the spoils of his wealth after so many years of having to be so focused and controlled.
The real shock of the Tiger Woods tragedy is not that he cheated on his hot wife and broke up his little family. The real shock is that a man with so much wealth and notoriety even got married at age 29 at all.
This is someone who should have been making up for lost time, enjoying his well-earned freedom to do whatever he wanted wherever he wanted. Instead of getting married and cranking out progeny, Tiger should have been bonding with his best male friends. He should have been traveling places just because he felt like it. As a famous and successful man, he should have been having sex, with any and every woman he desired, all around the world, while being careful not to dole out any of his very valuable DNA to any woman who could take from him what he has worked so hard to earn. And he shouldn’t have felt the need to hide while he did it. This is not sexist; it is common sense, and one thing I cannot understand is that few men have stepped up in an empathetic way and talked about what men really think and would do if only they could.
The real truth about marriage is something that men who look like beaten dogs whisper to each other at Hooters, at strip clubs, at sports bars, at bowling alleys, and even over the cubicle walls at offices across America: marriage is for men who cannot afford to live parallel lives with hot women in expensive hotel rooms. It is for men who need someone to share the rent or the mortgage payment. It is for farmers who need more farmhands when they become too old to till the soil. It is for men who grew up too lazy to clean their places, and so, as a result, are willing to take on a 180-pound mommy stand-in who will clean it. Marriage is not for buff, famous, educated men who have 500 million dollars and the freedom to do almost anything they want.
The risk that today’s successful man takes in family court by marrying or by impregnating a woman simply isn’t worth it. Ladies, close your eyes because here comes the hardest truth of all: most married men in America are living with the best woman they can afford.
As boys, although most American men dream of driving Testarossas or Porsches or Corvettes when we grow up, the reality is that most of us end up driving Toyota Camrys or Corollas: not very stylish or sexy, but cheap enough to maintain and able to last a lifetime (oh yeah, and they don’t STOP no matter how hard you try to make them). Most men who dreamed of driving sports cars as kids are now married to a Toyota. And most would trade in that Toyota the moment they struck oil or won at Powerball.
The Tiger Woods story is more about women and advertising. After all, why did Tiger get married anyway? In my view, Tiger Woods got married and had kids because he thought that it looked good to the rest of us. Such a perfect life and a perfect family would only enhance his marketability to advertisers and to the women to whom advertisers kowtow. Now, is anyone going to argue that Tiger Woods, a man who lived a double life trying to make up for what appears to be a largely lost childhood, truly loved Elin Nordegren? You’re kidding, right?
Prenup or no prenup, a man who has sacrificed so much to become so successful should enjoy as a single man everything that he has worked so hard to achieve. He should not be giving away half of his fortune to someone with whom he has spent just a few years. He should not have to be hiding in hotel rooms, on yachts, or anywhere else. After all, the prime reason that men become successful, as doctors, as architects, as actors or rock stars, and, presumably as golfers, is to be able to get more and more desirable women.
The tragedy is that Tiger felt the need to create a perfect-looking life in order to make himself attractive to fans and to advertisers. Such a shame. He’s the greatest golfer of all time and one of the premiere athletes of our lifetime. What more did he need to project than that?
Tiger Woods had no business getting married or having any children at all so early in his life. And, if you are a successful young man in America who has worked so hard to get where you are, neither do you.
-Tom Leykis
I, for one, have heard enough about the trials and tribulations of Tiger Woods. What, exactly, is so shocking or surprising about this story? Well something is, but it isn’t exactly what you and everyone else seem to think.
Tiger, whose net worth was estimated by Forbes in October 2009 to be about 500 million dollars, is a man who made his first television appearance some thirty years ago as a nascent golf pro at age 4 on The Mike Douglas Show. By all accounts, this is a person who, like the tennis-playing Williams sisters, has been singularly focused practically since birth on one goal: to be the absolute best player in his chosen sport.
Just a guess from observing his demeanor and hearing his very controlled interviews (not to mention his painfully unrevealing “apology” press conference): Tiger is someone who probably had very little time for a social life growing up. Guy friends, girlfriends, and all that goes with that were likely shoved aside for early mornings hitting ball after ball after ball with his dad. Did he develop like a normal American teenager? Did he make out in the backseat of his car with girls with whom he went to school? Did he go to his prom? Did he ever just hook up? I tend to doubt it.
Spare me the bromide I have heard over and over that all of this is so tragic because Tiger Woods did what he did despite having “so much to lose.” Why are we being so politically correct about this? In my view, Tiger Woods did what he did because he had “so much.” He did it for the same reason that the dog licked himself: because he could. I believe that Tiger did what I would expect any younger man who sacrificed so much in his life to earn $500 million and who is constantly on the road would do: he invited women to keep him company, in any number of ways. He finally allowed himself to enjoy the spoils of his wealth after so many years of having to be so focused and controlled.
The real shock of the Tiger Woods tragedy is not that he cheated on his hot wife and broke up his little family. The real shock is that a man with so much wealth and notoriety even got married at age 29 at all.
This is someone who should have been making up for lost time, enjoying his well-earned freedom to do whatever he wanted wherever he wanted. Instead of getting married and cranking out progeny, Tiger should have been bonding with his best male friends. He should have been traveling places just because he felt like it. As a famous and successful man, he should have been having sex, with any and every woman he desired, all around the world, while being careful not to dole out any of his very valuable DNA to any woman who could take from him what he has worked so hard to earn. And he shouldn’t have felt the need to hide while he did it. This is not sexist; it is common sense, and one thing I cannot understand is that few men have stepped up in an empathetic way and talked about what men really think and would do if only they could.
The real truth about marriage is something that men who look like beaten dogs whisper to each other at Hooters, at strip clubs, at sports bars, at bowling alleys, and even over the cubicle walls at offices across America: marriage is for men who cannot afford to live parallel lives with hot women in expensive hotel rooms. It is for men who need someone to share the rent or the mortgage payment. It is for farmers who need more farmhands when they become too old to till the soil. It is for men who grew up too lazy to clean their places, and so, as a result, are willing to take on a 180-pound mommy stand-in who will clean it. Marriage is not for buff, famous, educated men who have 500 million dollars and the freedom to do almost anything they want.
The risk that today’s successful man takes in family court by marrying or by impregnating a woman simply isn’t worth it. Ladies, close your eyes because here comes the hardest truth of all: most married men in America are living with the best woman they can afford.
As boys, although most American men dream of driving Testarossas or Porsches or Corvettes when we grow up, the reality is that most of us end up driving Toyota Camrys or Corollas: not very stylish or sexy, but cheap enough to maintain and able to last a lifetime (oh yeah, and they don’t STOP no matter how hard you try to make them). Most men who dreamed of driving sports cars as kids are now married to a Toyota. And most would trade in that Toyota the moment they struck oil or won at Powerball.
The Tiger Woods story is more about women and advertising. After all, why did Tiger get married anyway? In my view, Tiger Woods got married and had kids because he thought that it looked good to the rest of us. Such a perfect life and a perfect family would only enhance his marketability to advertisers and to the women to whom advertisers kowtow. Now, is anyone going to argue that Tiger Woods, a man who lived a double life trying to make up for what appears to be a largely lost childhood, truly loved Elin Nordegren? You’re kidding, right?
Prenup or no prenup, a man who has sacrificed so much to become so successful should enjoy as a single man everything that he has worked so hard to achieve. He should not be giving away half of his fortune to someone with whom he has spent just a few years. He should not have to be hiding in hotel rooms, on yachts, or anywhere else. After all, the prime reason that men become successful, as doctors, as architects, as actors or rock stars, and, presumably as golfers, is to be able to get more and more desirable women.
The tragedy is that Tiger felt the need to create a perfect-looking life in order to make himself attractive to fans and to advertisers. Such a shame. He’s the greatest golfer of all time and one of the premiere athletes of our lifetime. What more did he need to project than that?
Tiger Woods had no business getting married or having any children at all so early in his life. And, if you are a successful young man in America who has worked so hard to get where you are, neither do you.
-Tom Leykis
In the end, what I think set PHP apart in the early days, and still does today, is that it always tries to find the shortest path to solving the Web p
http://articles.sitepoint.com/article/phps-creator-rasmus-lerdorf
apachectl -help apache webserver 2.2.14
# ./apachectl -help
Usage: /www/apache/2.2.14/bin/httpd [-D name] [-d directory] [-f file]
[-C "directive"] [-c "directive"]
[-k start|restart|graceful|graceful-stop|stop]
[-v] [-V] [-h] [-l] [-L] [-t] [-S]
Options:
-D name : define a name for use in directives
-d directory : specify an alternate initial ServerRoot
-f file : specify an alternate ServerConfigFile
-C "directive" : process directive before reading config files
-c "directive" : process directive after reading config files
-e level : show startup errors of level (see LogLevel)
-E file : log startup errors to file
-v : show version number
-V : show compile settings
-h : list available command line options (this page)
-l : list compiled in modules
-L : list available configuration directives
-t -D DUMP_VHOSTS : show parsed settings (currently only vhost settings)
-S : a synonym for -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS
-t -D DUMP_MODULES : show all loaded modules
-M : a synonym for -t -D DUMP_MODULES
-t : run syntax check for config files
Usage: /www/apache/2.2.14/bin/httpd [-D name] [-d directory] [-f file]
[-C "directive"] [-c "directive"]
[-k start|restart|graceful|graceful-stop|stop]
[-v] [-V] [-h] [-l] [-L] [-t] [-S]
Options:
-D name : define a name for use in
-d directory : specify an alternate initial ServerRoot
-f file : specify an alternate ServerConfigFile
-C "directive" : process directive before reading config files
-c "directive" : process directive after reading config files
-e level : show startup errors of level (see LogLevel)
-E file : log startup errors to file
-v : show version number
-V : show compile settings
-h : list available command line options (this page)
-l : list compiled in modules
-L : list available configuration directives
-t -D DUMP_VHOSTS : show parsed settings (currently only vhost settings)
-S : a synonym for -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS
-t -D DUMP_MODULES : show all loaded modules
-M : a synonym for -t -D DUMP_MODULES
-t : run syntax check for config files
Tuesday, February 23, 2010
Monday, February 22, 2010
obama fuckin up
Obama Tops Bush at Ducking Reporters
Monday, 22 Feb 2010 08:56 AM
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By: Joseph Curl
President Obama, who pledged to establish the most open and transparent administration in history, on Monday surpasses his predecessor's record for avoiding a full-fledged question-and-answer session with White House reporters in a formal press conference.
President George W. Bush's longest stretch between prime-time, nationally televised press conferences was 214 days, from April 4 to Nov. 4, 2004. Mr. Obama tops that record on Monday, going 215 days - stretching back to July 22, according to records kept by CBS Radio's veteran reporter Mark Knoller.
The president has seemingly shunned formal, prime-time sessions since his last disastrous presser, when he said police in Cambridge, Mass., "acted stupidly" by arresting a Harvard professor who broke into a home that turned out to be his own. The off-the-cuff comment took over the news cycle for a week, overshadowing his push for health care reform, and culminated in a White House "Beer Summit," where the president hosted white police officer James Crowley and the black Harvard professor, Henry Louis Gates Jr.
"He does seem a little snakebit on the whole presser thing," said Julie Mason, a longtime White House reporter and board member of the White House Correspondents' Association.
"At his last big press conference in July, he lost control of the message with his response to the Gates question, and then returns six months later with an unannounced, five-question avail in the briefing room - on a snow day. Was it something we said?"
Earlier this month, the president did field a few questions from reporters in a "mini-presser." He dropped by the White House briefing room unannounced at midday just after Washington's second snowstorm, right when the daily briefing by the press secretary was to occur. The "press availability" lasted only 33 minutes and encompassed questions from just five reporters - plus one after Mr. Obama tried to head for the door.
In contrast, a typical White House press conference is usually announced well in advance and takes place in the far more formal White House East Room. The prime-time sessions - carried live by all TV networks - last at least an hour and include questions from 12 to 15 reporters, sometimes more.
"I don't count that five-question, surprise 'avail,' as a presser," Miss Mason said.
Still, Mr. Obama has held plenty of tightly controlled sessions with reporters. He has given 66 interviews since July 22 - including two that day, according to Mr. Knoller's records. But that doesn't satisfy White House veterans.
"The administration will point you to all the interviews he does, but that is all about control. We are naturally at cross-purposes with him, because he wants to come out with his talking points and the press wants to knock him off those talking points - so the result is he just doesn't come around anymore," Miss Mason said.
Nevertheless, Mr. Obama tops his predecessor in total output. He has given 43 press conferences of various degrees, six of which were solo White House sessions, Mr. Knoller said. During the same period, Mr. Bush gave 24 press conferences, of which four were formal, solo White House sessions.
Monday, 22 Feb 2010 08:56 AM
Article Font Size
By: Joseph Curl
President Obama, who pledged to establish the most open and transparent administration in history, on Monday surpasses his predecessor's record for avoiding a full-fledged question-and-answer session with White House reporters in a formal press conference.
President George W. Bush's longest stretch between prime-time, nationally televised press conferences was 214 days, from April 4 to Nov. 4, 2004. Mr. Obama tops that record on Monday, going 215 days - stretching back to July 22, according to records kept by CBS Radio's veteran reporter Mark Knoller.
The president has seemingly shunned formal, prime-time sessions since his last disastrous presser, when he said police in Cambridge, Mass., "acted stupidly" by arresting a Harvard professor who broke into a home that turned out to be his own. The off-the-cuff comment took over the news cycle for a week, overshadowing his push for health care reform, and culminated in a White House "Beer Summit," where the president hosted white police officer James Crowley and the black Harvard professor, Henry Louis Gates Jr.
"He does seem a little snakebit on the whole presser thing," said Julie Mason, a longtime White House reporter and board member of the White House Correspondents' Association.
"At his last big press conference in July, he lost control of the message with his response to the Gates question, and then returns six months later with an unannounced, five-question avail in the briefing room - on a snow day. Was it something we said?"
Earlier this month, the president did field a few questions from reporters in a "mini-presser." He dropped by the White House briefing room unannounced at midday just after Washington's second snowstorm, right when the daily briefing by the press secretary was to occur. The "press availability" lasted only 33 minutes and encompassed questions from just five reporters - plus one after Mr. Obama tried to head for the door.
In contrast, a typical White House press conference is usually announced well in advance and takes place in the far more formal White House East Room. The prime-time sessions - carried live by all TV networks - last at least an hour and include questions from 12 to 15 reporters, sometimes more.
"I don't count that five-question, surprise 'avail,' as a presser," Miss Mason said.
Still, Mr. Obama has held plenty of tightly controlled sessions with reporters. He has given 66 interviews since July 22 - including two that day, according to Mr. Knoller's records. But that doesn't satisfy White House veterans.
"The administration will point you to all the interviews he does, but that is all about control. We are naturally at cross-purposes with him, because he wants to come out with his talking points and the press wants to knock him off those talking points - so the result is he just doesn't come around anymore," Miss Mason said.
Nevertheless, Mr. Obama tops his predecessor in total output. He has given 43 press conferences of various degrees, six of which were solo White House sessions, Mr. Knoller said. During the same period, Mr. Bush gave 24 press conferences, of which four were formal, solo White House sessions.
mitt for president
Mitt Again, Romney Re-Emerges for Likely WH Bid
Monday, 22 Feb 2010 02:08 PM
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Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is stepping back into the public spotlight after spending two years behind the scenes laying the groundwork for a second presidential campaign.
The Republican delivered a blistering critique of President Barack Obama in a speech last week in Washington to conservative activists. Next week he's scheduled a network TV blitz and the start of a 19-state tour promoting his new book, "No Apology: The Case for American Greatness."
Romney has shifted from social issues that brought accusations of flip-flopping and undermined his 2008 White House bid. With unemployment hovering around 10 percent, his new focus is on economic themes and fix-it skills he claims as a former businessman. That plays to what some observers believe would be his strength in a second race.
They could also distinguish him from potential rivals such as former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who enjoys widespread grass-roots support but doubts about her mastery of policy, and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who, like Romney was four years ago, is untested on the national political scene.
"President (Barack) Obama instituted the most anti-growth, anti-investment, anti-jobs measures we've seen in our lifetimes. He called his agenda ambitious. I call it reckless," Romney told the Conservative Political Action Conference.
Romney called for lower taxes, more teacher accountability and state-by-state instead of national health insurance expansion, similar to the nearly universal coverage plan he instituted in Massachusetts in 2006.
"There's much more on our positive, intellectually rigorous conservative agenda," he said. "Not all of it is popular. But the American people have shown that they are ready for truth to trump hope. The truth is that government is not the solution to all our problems."
Aides deny any conscious effort to re-brand Romney. They say his 2008 campaign failed largely because Romney either involved himself in or got dragged into petty disputes and hot-button social issues crucial to some elements of the GOP's base.
Now, with one presidential campaign behind him, and no obvious successor to the party's 2008 nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain, Romney has a better chance of controlling his agenda, aides say. That agenda got a test drive in January, when a team of Romney advisers helped Republican Scott Brown win Democrat Edward M. Kennedy's U.S. Senate seat by focusing on public doubts about government spending and the handling of terrorists.
One Republican thinks it's a smart strategy.
"At the end of the day, I don't think Mitt was as identified with issues related to job creation and economic growth as he should have been," said former Sen. John Sununu from politically pivotal New Hampshire. "That's a very valuable and important perspective to have in Washington, because it's in such short supply."
Former Republican Sen. Mel Martinez of Florida, another important electoral state, said a second Romney campaign would benefit from the experience gained in the first, as well as a sense within GOP circles that Romney has paid his dues, showed grace in losing by earnestly supporting McCain and has a fitting resume for the times.
"There is a tremendous hunger to answer the question, 'Who is our leader?'" said Martinez, whose endorsement of McCain undercut Romney's chances in Florida in 2008. "People are impatient because there's this sense you have to wait for the next cycle to begin before they emerge. I think people think of him now as that 'next person.'"
After quitting the 2008 race in another speech to the Conservative Political Action Conference, Romney became an active McCain surrogate and dispatched some of his top aides to help raise money and provide policy guidance to his former rival.
He also founded his "Free and Strong America" leadership PAC, a political action committee that allowed him to travel the country and dispense money to like-minded political candidates. Romney also made judicious use of the media, granting interviews when the subject appeared weighty enough.
And he threw himself into writing his book, which argues that Obama has been too ready to apologize for America's supposed shortcomings but unwilling — or unable — to build on its strengths.
Next Tuesday, he will kick off the book tour with back-to-back appearances on NBC's "Today" show, ABC's "The View," the Fox News Channel's "Hannity" program and CBS's "Late Show with David Letterman." His ensuing schedule reads like a campaign travelogue, with stops in Iowa, New Hampshire, Florida and even Toronto — where Palin recently signed copies of her own book.
Aides say Romney's recent break to attend the Winter Olympics in Vancouver, marred when he got into an altercation with a rap singer on his return flight from Canada, will be his last big vacation this year. He intends to travel the country for the remainder, promoting himself, his book and Republican candidates in this year's pivotal midterm elections.
His PAC will give him something to take along. He ended 2009 with a $1.1 million in the bank, more than the $928,000 held by Palin, or the $884,000 by Pawlenty.
© Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Monday, 22 Feb 2010 02:08 PM
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Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is stepping back into the public spotlight after spending two years behind the scenes laying the groundwork for a second presidential campaign.
The Republican delivered a blistering critique of President Barack Obama in a speech last week in Washington to conservative activists. Next week he's scheduled a network TV blitz and the start of a 19-state tour promoting his new book, "No Apology: The Case for American Greatness."
Romney has shifted from social issues that brought accusations of flip-flopping and undermined his 2008 White House bid. With unemployment hovering around 10 percent, his new focus is on economic themes and fix-it skills he claims as a former businessman. That plays to what some observers believe would be his strength in a second race.
They could also distinguish him from potential rivals such as former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who enjoys widespread grass-roots support but doubts about her mastery of policy, and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who, like Romney was four years ago, is untested on the national political scene.
"President (Barack) Obama instituted the most anti-growth, anti-investment, anti-jobs measures we've seen in our lifetimes. He called his agenda ambitious. I call it reckless," Romney told the Conservative Political Action Conference.
Romney called for lower taxes, more teacher accountability and state-by-state instead of national health insurance expansion, similar to the nearly universal coverage plan he instituted in Massachusetts in 2006.
"There's much more on our positive, intellectually rigorous conservative agenda," he said. "Not all of it is popular. But the American people have shown that they are ready for truth to trump hope. The truth is that government is not the solution to all our problems."
Aides deny any conscious effort to re-brand Romney. They say his 2008 campaign failed largely because Romney either involved himself in or got dragged into petty disputes and hot-button social issues crucial to some elements of the GOP's base.
Now, with one presidential campaign behind him, and no obvious successor to the party's 2008 nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain, Romney has a better chance of controlling his agenda, aides say. That agenda got a test drive in January, when a team of Romney advisers helped Republican Scott Brown win Democrat Edward M. Kennedy's U.S. Senate seat by focusing on public doubts about government spending and the handling of terrorists.
One Republican thinks it's a smart strategy.
"At the end of the day, I don't think Mitt was as identified with issues related to job creation and economic growth as he should have been," said former Sen. John Sununu from politically pivotal New Hampshire. "That's a very valuable and important perspective to have in Washington, because it's in such short supply."
Former Republican Sen. Mel Martinez of Florida, another important electoral state, said a second Romney campaign would benefit from the experience gained in the first, as well as a sense within GOP circles that Romney has paid his dues, showed grace in losing by earnestly supporting McCain and has a fitting resume for the times.
"There is a tremendous hunger to answer the question, 'Who is our leader?'" said Martinez, whose endorsement of McCain undercut Romney's chances in Florida in 2008. "People are impatient because there's this sense you have to wait for the next cycle to begin before they emerge. I think people think of him now as that 'next person.'"
After quitting the 2008 race in another speech to the Conservative Political Action Conference, Romney became an active McCain surrogate and dispatched some of his top aides to help raise money and provide policy guidance to his former rival.
He also founded his "Free and Strong America" leadership PAC, a political action committee that allowed him to travel the country and dispense money to like-minded political candidates. Romney also made judicious use of the media, granting interviews when the subject appeared weighty enough.
And he threw himself into writing his book, which argues that Obama has been too ready to apologize for America's supposed shortcomings but unwilling — or unable — to build on its strengths.
Next Tuesday, he will kick off the book tour with back-to-back appearances on NBC's "Today" show, ABC's "The View," the Fox News Channel's "Hannity" program and CBS's "Late Show with David Letterman." His ensuing schedule reads like a campaign travelogue, with stops in Iowa, New Hampshire, Florida and even Toronto — where Palin recently signed copies of her own book.
Aides say Romney's recent break to attend the Winter Olympics in Vancouver, marred when he got into an altercation with a rap singer on his return flight from Canada, will be his last big vacation this year. He intends to travel the country for the remainder, promoting himself, his book and Republican candidates in this year's pivotal midterm elections.
His PAC will give him something to take along. He ended 2009 with a $1.1 million in the bank, more than the $928,000 held by Palin, or the $884,000 by Pawlenty.
© Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
solaris 10 resize swap zfs arc cache 1g and oracle parameter setting in /etc/system
login as hank b2..
su to root
create group dba
# groupadd oracle
create user oracle and add it to group dba
# useradd oracle
#usermod -G dba oracle
# groups oracle [see dba listed]
create oracle homedir and assign perms
#mkdir /export/home/oracle
#chown oracle:dba /export/home/oracle
now modify /etc/passwd to give user oracle /export/home/oracle as its home dir, and give oracle /bin/ksh as its defautl shell
I also gave root user /usr/bin/bash as its base shell
zfs create -V 8G -b 8k rpool/swap1
swap -a /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/swap1
swap -d /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/swap
vi /etc/vfstab
---------------------------
projadd -U oracle -K "project.max-shm-memory=(priv,8G,deny)" user.oracle
--------------------
solaris 10 /etc/system zfs arc cache 1g and oracle install requirement:
set zfs:zfs_arc_max = 1073741824
set noexec_user_stack=1
set noexec_user_stack_log=1
----------------------
Example 2 Setting the auto-boot? Parameter to true.
The following example demonstrates the method for setting
the auto-boot? parameter to true.
example# eeprom auto-boot?=true
When the eeprom command is executed in user mode, the param-
eters with a trailing question mark (?) need to be enclosed
in double quotation marks (" ") to prevent the shell from
interpreting the question mark. Preceding the question mark
with an escape character (\) will also prevent the shell
from interpreting the question mark.
example% eeprom "auto-boot?"=true
su to root
create group dba
# groupadd oracle
create user oracle and add it to group dba
# useradd oracle
#usermod -G dba oracle
# groups oracle [see dba listed]
create oracle homedir and assign perms
#mkdir /export/home/oracle
#chown oracle:dba /export/home/oracle
now modify /etc/passwd to give user oracle /export/home/oracle as its home dir, and give oracle /bin/ksh as its defautl shell
I also gave root user /usr/bin/bash as its base shell
zfs create -V 8G -b 8k rpool/swap1
swap -a /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/swap1
swap -d /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/swap
vi /etc/vfstab
---------------------------
projadd -U oracle -K "project.max-shm-memory=(priv,8G,deny)" user.oracle
--------------------
solaris 10 /etc/system zfs arc cache 1g and oracle install requirement:
set zfs:zfs_arc_max = 1073741824
set noexec_user_stack=1
set noexec_user_stack_log=1
----------------------
Example 2 Setting the auto-boot? Parameter to true.
The following example demonstrates the method for setting
the auto-boot? parameter to true.
example# eeprom auto-boot?=true
When the eeprom command is executed in user mode, the param-
eters with a trailing question mark (?) need to be enclosed
in double quotation marks (" ") to prevent the shell from
interpreting the question mark. Preceding the question mark
with an escape character (\) will also prevent the shell
from interpreting the question mark.
example% eeprom "auto-boot?"=true
linux scsi refresh scan
http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/docs/DOC-3942
in the sg3_utils package, there's a rescan-scsi-bus.sh script
in the sg3_utils package, there's a rescan-scsi-bus.sh script
Sunday, February 21, 2010
john milius rules fuck warner for not letting him do king conan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Milius
Saturday, February 20, 2010
Friday, February 19, 2010
86 mac v 2007 pc guess who wins
http://hubpages.com/hub/_86_Mac_Plus_Vs_07_AMD_DualCore_You_Wont_Believe_Who_Wins
The wonders of biofuels (2007/08/20)
The wonders of biofuels (2007/08/20)
Because if something sounds like a good idea, it must be a good idea, so why not have government push it down our throats, I'm sure it wont have any unintended consequences. From the Guardian:
"Increasing production of biofuels to combat climate change will release between two and nine times more carbon gases over the next 30 years than fossil fuels, according to the first comprehensive analysis of emissions from biofuels."
Because if something sounds like a good idea, it must be a good idea, so why not have government push it down our throats, I'm sure it wont have any unintended consequences. From the Guardian:
"Increasing production of biofuels to combat climate change will release between two and nine times more carbon gases over the next 30 years than fossil fuels, according to the first comprehensive analysis of emissions from biofuels."
redbox 774m income from rentals of movies vending machine style
http://stocks.investopedia.com/stock-analysis/2010/Coinstar-Rakes-In-Green-With-Redbox-DVD-Machines-CSTR-BBI-NFLX-KRO0217.aspx?partner=YahooSA
Thursday, February 18, 2010
company are agaisnt legal prostitution due to greed
families spend and companies want shitheads spending
Wednesday, February 17, 2010
eliminate property taxes? vs georgism
http://www.medinafortexas.com/propertyTax.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_George
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_George
Tuesday, February 16, 2010
Obama said he didn't begrudge them their bonuses, saying, "I know both those guys."
Whatever Obama has in mind for punishing the financial industry, I promise you, he won't punish his friends. After JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon took a $17 million bonus this week, and Goldman CEO Lloyd Blankfein got a $9 million bonus, Obama said he didn't begrudge them their bonuses, saying, "I know both those guys."
http://anncoulter.com/
http://anncoulter.com/
solaris 8 system V inits
mkdir /etc/rc2.d/NORUN; cd /etc/rc2.d/; mv S??whatevah NORUN/
(5:32:40 PM) cfs: repeat for rc3 and rcS
(5:32:40 PM) cfs: repeat for rc3 and rcS
Monday, February 15, 2010
google already going after yax $$$ since can't sell anything
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/03/AR2010020304057.html
WhaT'S THe Big dEAL with Danica Patrick? amen cl bro
WhaT'S THe Big dEAL
Date: 2010-02-15, 1:53AM PST
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with Danica Patrick?
All she does is crash! Another one at Daytona.
The only thing she does well is pose nude for men's magazines.
Daytona was just another photo op for that crazy slut!
How in hell does she get sponsors?
HEY! REALITY TV PRODUCERS! Here's one for ya: Danica Patrick driving NUDE!
You know she'll crash. So the big shot will be when they pull her lithe, sun-baked body screaming and hollering from the wreck! Don't forget the boob shots!
Saturday, February 13, 2010
Friday, February 12, 2010
archlinux wireless example
#!/bin/bash
## wpa2conn.sh
## @author legolas558
## automatic connection script
sudo pkill ^wpa_supplicant$
if [[ "$1" == "0" ]]; then
exit
fi
APADDR=XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
ESSID=your_essid
PLAINPWD="yourplainpwd"
IPV4=192.168.1.20
IPV4GW=192.168.1.1
sudo iwconfig eth1 ap $APADDR && \
sudo iwconfig eth1 essid "$ESSID" && \
sudo iwconfig eth1 key s:$PLAINPWD && \
sudo ifconfig eth1 $IPV4 && \
sudo ifconfig eth1 up && \
sudo route add default gw $IPV4GW dev eth1 && \
sudo wpa_supplicant -B -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -ieth1 -Dwext -f /var/log/wpa_supplicant.log
## wpa2conn.sh
## @author legolas558
## automatic connection script
sudo pkill ^wpa_supplicant$
if [[ "$1" == "0" ]]; then
exit
fi
APADDR=XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
ESSID=your_essid
PLAINPWD="yourplainpwd"
IPV4=192.168.1.20
IPV4GW=192.168.1.1
sudo iwconfig eth1 ap $APADDR && \
sudo iwconfig eth1 essid "$ESSID" && \
sudo iwconfig eth1 key s:$PLAINPWD && \
sudo ifconfig eth1 $IPV4 && \
sudo ifconfig eth1 up && \
sudo route add default gw $IPV4GW dev eth1 && \
sudo wpa_supplicant -B -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -ieth1 -Dwext -f /var/log/wpa_supplicant.log
google has nothing and is now massive money laundering
http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/11/google-acquires-aardvark-for-50-million/
as in the comment:
jiojo - February 11th, 2010 at 11:43 am UTC
overpriced + ex employees = money laundering
google made money on real estate ads, now they have nothing to sell
these scumbags will now grab at tax money trying to do index services for government and libraries
scumbags then leave form some BS gimmick and get bought by pals back at corporate, of course really just extracting gold from the cow as the stock rides high, and they repeat, then buds at corporate get millions as gift secretly for buying the pos
wow the real world is scary
as in the comment:
jiojo - February 11th, 2010 at 11:43 am UTC
overpriced + ex employees = money laundering
google made money on real estate ads, now they have nothing to sell
these scumbags will now grab at tax money trying to do index services for government and libraries
scumbags then leave form some BS gimmick and get bought by pals back at corporate, of course really just extracting gold from the cow as the stock rides high, and they repeat, then buds at corporate get millions as gift secretly for buying the pos
wow the real world is scary
real achievement is hot body
(11:29:46 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: Dude
(11:29:53 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: you HAVE to see his pics
(11:30:03 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: no words can describe them
(11:30:22 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: I want to do something about it
(11:30:39 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: he looks like a 10+
(11:31:06 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: he can just take one pic and put it on Craigslist all he needs to say is....this is ME !
(11:31:12 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: AND HE WILL GET TONS OF REPLIES
(11:32:16 AM) comedy: wow man that is real personal power
(11:32:38 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: man i kid you not
(11:32:58 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: there are no words to describe how good he looks by the summer
(11:33:50 AM) comedy: :)
(11:34:22 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: i am seriously going to this place not this but next sat
(11:34:26 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: i want to try it
(11:34:44 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: his look is mindblowing
(11:34:55 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: could totally be on any cover
(11:36:24 AM) comedy: man if I got half way there
(11:36:29 AM) comedy: I probly have 0 women problems
(11:37:05 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: agree 100%
(11:37:14 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: i just can't take my mind off his pics
(11:37:18 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: and i took them !@
(11:37:31 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: so i should know better i just forgot how good he looks
(11:37:33 AM) comedy: goto the gym right now!
(11:37:41 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: i went running
(11:37:53 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: but i will get back to him because i want to do it
(11:39:18 AM) comedy: man
(11:39:25 AM) comedy: that is REAL power
(11:39:28 AM) comedy: women just look
(11:39:35 AM) comedy: and can't help themselves
(11:39:36 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: wait till you see his pics
(11:39:56 AM) comedy: what better achievement that simply looking in mirror? money you usually want to buy kelly; with body many women say fuck it
(11:40:03 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: seriously you are right
(11:29:53 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: you HAVE to see his pics
(11:30:03 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: no words can describe them
(11:30:22 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: I want to do something about it
(11:30:39 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: he looks like a 10+
(11:31:06 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: he can just take one pic and put it on Craigslist all he needs to say is....this is ME !
(11:31:12 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: AND HE WILL GET TONS OF REPLIES
(11:32:16 AM) comedy: wow man that is real personal power
(11:32:38 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: man i kid you not
(11:32:58 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: there are no words to describe how good he looks by the summer
(11:33:50 AM) comedy: :)
(11:34:22 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: i am seriously going to this place not this but next sat
(11:34:26 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: i want to try it
(11:34:44 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: his look is mindblowing
(11:34:55 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: could totally be on any cover
(11:36:24 AM) comedy: man if I got half way there
(11:36:29 AM) comedy: I probly have 0 women problems
(11:37:05 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: agree 100%
(11:37:14 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: i just can't take my mind off his pics
(11:37:18 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: and i took them !@
(11:37:31 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: so i should know better i just forgot how good he looks
(11:37:33 AM) comedy: goto the gym right now!
(11:37:41 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: i went running
(11:37:53 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: but i will get back to him because i want to do it
(11:39:18 AM) comedy: man
(11:39:25 AM) comedy: that is REAL power
(11:39:28 AM) comedy: women just look
(11:39:35 AM) comedy: and can't help themselves
(11:39:36 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: wait till you see his pics
(11:39:56 AM) comedy: what better achievement that simply looking in mirror? money you usually want to buy kelly; with body many women say fuck it
(11:40:03 AM) italian55_knight_elegabalus: seriously you are right
Thursday, February 11, 2010
awesome politics rant on big government and slavery
http://bigjournalism.com/jhudnall/2010/02/11/the-new-fascists-part-1-a-political-primer/
Wednesday, February 10, 2010
Tuesday, February 9, 2010
Sunday, February 7, 2010
Saturday, February 6, 2010
mom shoot son in dick with 357
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/83632112.html
Police skeptical of shooting explanation
By Ryan Haggerty of the Journal Sentinel
Posted: Feb. 5, 2010
A 21-year-old man whose mother shot him in the groin Thursday night told police he was trying to be funny by wearing a ski mask and pretending to rob her, but investigators aren't necessarily buying his story, a Milwaukee police spokesman said Friday.
Police are trying to determine if the man was actually trying to rob his 37-year-old mother, Sgt. Mark Stanmeyer said.
The man said he pretended to rob his mother behind their house in the 3700 block of N. 13th St. as she returned from shopping about 9 p.m., according to a statement from the police department.
His mother drew a .357-caliber revolver and fired several shots, hitting her son at least twice, the statement says.
The man's injuries are serious but not expected to be life-threatening, Stanmeyer said.
The man's record with Milwaukee police includes arrests for drug- and weapons-related offenses, Stanmeyer said.
The woman surrendered to the first officers on scene.
The gun's serial number had been obliterated, according to the police statement.
The woman is in custody at the Milwaukee County Jail.
The Milwaukee County district attorney's office will review the case, Stanmeyer said.
Police skeptical of shooting explanation
By Ryan Haggerty of the Journal Sentinel
Posted: Feb. 5, 2010
A 21-year-old man whose mother shot him in the groin Thursday night told police he was trying to be funny by wearing a ski mask and pretending to rob her, but investigators aren't necessarily buying his story, a Milwaukee police spokesman said Friday.
Police are trying to determine if the man was actually trying to rob his 37-year-old mother, Sgt. Mark Stanmeyer said.
The man said he pretended to rob his mother behind their house in the 3700 block of N. 13th St. as she returned from shopping about 9 p.m., according to a statement from the police department.
His mother drew a .357-caliber revolver and fired several shots, hitting her son at least twice, the statement says.
The man's injuries are serious but not expected to be life-threatening, Stanmeyer said.
The man's record with Milwaukee police includes arrests for drug- and weapons-related offenses, Stanmeyer said.
The woman surrendered to the first officers on scene.
The gun's serial number had been obliterated, according to the police statement.
The woman is in custody at the Milwaukee County Jail.
The Milwaukee County district attorney's office will review the case, Stanmeyer said.
Friday, February 5, 2010
opening centos 4.6 xen 3.0 virt-manager GUI on openbsd 4.6 icewm desktop using ssh -Y, or cygwin on windows using ssh -X
I run a centos 5.4 xen box runnign xen 3.0
I want to open the virt-manager GUI to make virtual machines on my openbsd desktop
in /etc/ssh/ssh_conf on openBSD:
# ForwardX11 no
ForwardX11 yes
ForwardX11Trusted yes
the kill -HUP `cat /var/run/sshd.pid` to have sshd reread its config
then as USER [running iceWM as user not root]
ssh -Y root@xenbox
xenbox# virt-manager&
opens up
NICE!
on cygwin on windows latop
open x-cygwin icon to nice xterm in X windows opens [different menu item that the typical green cygwin bash shell]
then ssh -X root@xenbox
virt-manager&
a key to remember is that the Xenbox must have its own name in /etc/hosts and I have ti as static ip
xen need you to mount your redhat or centos .ISO and make available in webserver docroot as URL
mount -o loop blah.ISO somedummyfolder [in webserver docroot]
then wehn setting up vm, http://192.168.1.150/somedummyfolder [150 being your webserer ip]
also pick physical in the networking panel during vm setup so it bridges to real network, for example I did some dhcp, but later picked static ip liek 192.168.1.231 for my vm
to clone you copy /var/lib/xen/images file to new file new name
then in /etc/xen/yourvmname copy to new vm config file, then fx path to copy of image file in /var/run/xen, also increment the uuid, and the mac, and fix path to img file, and naem of course
then in virt-manager you will see new vm, start it, fix ip, and it should work fine, then can restart the one your just cloned
note: the uuid is in hex so increment the last digit, I tried changing an f to a g on the very end of the uuid and it would not show the new vm, so I backed up to the last numerical digit and incremented that instead and it worked
upon boot of new clone, fix mac, hosts, ip, but hostname seems to be handled by the config file
awesome!
I want to open the virt-manager GUI to make virtual machines on my openbsd desktop
in /etc/ssh/ssh_conf on openBSD:
# ForwardX11 no
ForwardX11 yes
ForwardX11Trusted yes
the kill -HUP `cat /var/run/sshd.pid` to have sshd reread its config
then as USER [running iceWM as user not root]
ssh -Y root@xenbox
xenbox# virt-manager&
opens up
NICE!
on cygwin on windows latop
open x-cygwin icon to nice xterm in X windows opens [different menu item that the typical green cygwin bash shell]
then ssh -X root@xenbox
virt-manager&
a key to remember is that the Xenbox must have its own name in /etc/hosts and I have ti as static ip
xen need you to mount your redhat or centos .ISO and make available in webserver docroot as URL
mount -o loop blah.ISO somedummyfolder [in webserver docroot]
then wehn setting up vm, http://192.168.1.150/somedummyfolder [150 being your webserer ip]
also pick physical in the networking panel during vm setup so it bridges to real network, for example I did some dhcp, but later picked static ip liek 192.168.1.231 for my vm
to clone you copy /var/lib/xen/images file to new file new name
then in /etc/xen/yourvmname copy to new vm config file, then fx path to copy of image file in /var/run/xen, also increment the uuid, and the mac, and fix path to img file, and naem of course
then in virt-manager you will see new vm, start it, fix ip, and it should work fine, then can restart the one your just cloned
note: the uuid is in hex so increment the last digit, I tried changing an f to a g on the very end of the uuid and it would not show the new vm, so I backed up to the last numerical digit and incremented that instead and it worked
upon boot of new clone, fix mac, hosts, ip, but hostname seems to be handled by the config file
awesome!
get rid of pc speaker beep openbsd
wsconsctl keyboard.bell.volume=0
NicM> henry_george, you want /etc/wsconsctl.conf
15:39 < NicM> to make it last
NicM> henry_george, you want /etc/wsconsctl.conf
15:39 < NicM> to make it last
Thursday, February 4, 2010
lumbercartel rocks computers threads security name based virtual hosts
(7:43:38 PM) The topic for #openbsd is: ChannelFAQ: http://tinyurl.com/y9xx2rr | LATEST PATCH: 4.6#4 4.5#10 | Who's going to FOSDEM? Han; Visual`
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(8:09:20 PM) lordsporkton: im reading here in the softraid man page ofr 4.6 that for raid 4 and 5 there is "no automated mechanism to recover from failed disks" however im having trouble understanding the entire meaning of that, if i lose a disk it will still function but I would not be able to just swap in a new disk and have everything rebuild? also what about a reboot? if a drive fails and i reboot will it limp along and still provide my data or will the
(8:10:25 PM) shemale-magic: bugger if I know
(8:12:45 PM) lordsporkton: ahh i think man raid is answering me
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(8:14:37 PM) shemale-magic: yeah man and info are legendary on openbsd
(8:15:07 PM) shemale-magic: I am having trouble connecting x on openbsd desktop to centos 5.4 xen server
(8:15:28 PM) shemale-magic: I want to use the virt-manager gui
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(8:22:59 PM) You are now known as BLAM_exclpt
(8:26:43 PM) levity: BLAM_exclpt: : ForwardX11Trusted
(8:27:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: is the a parameter ?
(8:27:25 PM) BLAM_exclpt: does ssh -Y do that?
(8:28:10 PM) levity: read the section of ssh_config(5) called ForwardX11Trusted
(8:28:28 PM) BLAM_exclpt: ok ading to blog
(8:29:18 PM) BLAM_exclpt: thank you!
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(8:45:05 PM) BLAM_exclpt: opebsd seems quite fast on my 3.0 p4 with 3200m ram
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(8:45:23 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I should have 4096 but I think there is something wrong wiher with one of the sticks or the motherboard
(8:46:57 PM) BLAM_exclpt: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=ssh_config holy crap this one option could be the key
(8:47:03 PM) BLAM_exclpt: levity you rock
(8:48:30 PM) levity: i personally would never contemplate enabling this feature ***SECURITY RISK***
(8:55:21 PM) BLAM_exclpt: well what about if it the difference btwixt having them bring in vmware or use xen?
(8:55:38 PM) ***LumberCartel really likes Xen.
(8:55:41 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I personally should really learn xen command line
(8:55:53 PM) LumberCartel: It's really easy.
(8:56:11 PM) LumberCartel: Just type "xm help" and spend an hour, then you'll know it.
(8:56:32 PM) BLAM_exclpt: hey lumber, where do I find the example for creating xen vm with redaht 4.6 at url i provide with the real DHCP ip ? the one that gets a real ip from local subnet dhcp?
(8:56:35 PM) BLAM_exclpt: ok
(8:56:44 PM) BLAM_exclpt: then I can say bleh to gui
(8:57:17 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I have already cloned vm
(8:57:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: :)
(8:57:25 PM) LumberCartel: I don't know about RedHat, but I can't imagine it being very much different from using NetBSD. I did write a document one day that guides users through installing Xen on NetBSD: http://www.lumbercartel.ca/library/xen/
(8:57:39 PM) LumberCartel: It will run Widows XP Pro with SP3 in HVM.
(8:58:07 PM) BLAM_exclpt: really?
(8:58:08 PM) LumberCartel: I'm currently using this configuration in 7 different production environments, and it actually makes Windows run faster.
(8:58:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I can curently only coax centos to laod centos and redaht os
(8:58:29 PM) BLAM_exclpt: any other barfs when I start setup
(8:58:31 PM) BLAM_exclpt: :(
(8:58:46 PM) LumberCartel: 5 of those environments are used to run a Windows XP designed application that provides database backend to web sites. The developer is only comfortable in Windows, so it's done to accomodate him.
(8:58:47 PM) BLAM_exclpt: xp paravirtualize?
(8:58:57 PM) LumberCartel: Yup.
(8:59:01 PM) LumberCartel: NetBSD supports it.
(8:59:03 PM) BLAM_exclpt: and windows db on real box?
(8:59:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: or windows app to unix db box? over odbc?
(8:59:31 PM) LumberCartel: NetBSD is the Dom0, and Widows XP is the DomU (on my systems I give XP 4 GBs of RAM, and it can use 3.75 GBs).
(9:00:21 PM) LumberCartel: In these cases, Windows is where the DB is, but Samba is used on Unix to provide network drive letters in Windows XP so that files can be stored on the server without consuming as much processing power on the Windows side (not that it's an issue, but I'm an optimization nut).
(9:00:21 PM) BLAM_exclpt: how many cpu / ram on dom0?
(9:01:01 PM) BLAM_exclpt: oh hell yeah I already want to use lvm2 to provide partitions on a linux FTP server and then mount space i need on any vm
(9:01:15 PM) LumberCartel: On most of these systems, Dom0 gets 2 GBs (it doesn't need even 1 GBs though) to run NetBSD 5.0.1 (the current version), and 1 CPU. The DomU gets WinXP with 4 GBs of RAM and 3 CPUs. Windows correctly detects 3 CPUs.
(9:01:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: or if lazy let em all sahr e1 big NFS share
(9:01:31 PM) LumberCartel: Heheh.
(9:01:31 PM) LumberCartel: Yup.
(9:01:35 PM) BLAM_exclpt: [sub FTP for NFS in first bit]
(9:02:13 PM) BLAM_exclpt: ok so instead of 1 huge box you do many dom0, giving msot power to guest
(9:02:22 PM) BLAM_exclpt: cool
(9:02:45 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I had some trouble with netbsd packaging while back
(9:02:55 PM) LumberCartel: No, can only have on Dom0 -- that's your host. The "guests" are all DomU.
(9:02:55 PM) BLAM_exclpt: do you run netbsd desktop with firrefox?
(9:03:14 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I meant like 8 physical box, each a xen dom0, each with 1 xp guest?
(9:03:36 PM) LumberCartel: You don't need any GUI stuff to make Xen work. My document explains how to set it up with the minimum this way too. You also won't need GRUB because NetBSD 5 has a proper boot loader.
(9:04:01 PM) LumberCartel: Yes.
(9:04:06 PM) LumberCartel: Because each is a separate client.
(9:04:17 PM) LumberCartel: I've run more than a dozen DomUs running XP though, and it was fine.
(9:04:29 PM) LumberCartel: Slower, indeed, due to limited CPU resources, but it worked.
(9:04:31 PM) LumberCartel: No crashing.
(9:05:18 PM) BLAM_exclpt: dozen on 1 xen dom0?
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(9:05:33 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I am curious what happens when have more vm cpu than real
(9:05:34 PM) LumberCartel: One box, one Dom0, more than a dozen DomUs (each running XP).
(9:05:43 PM) BLAM_exclpt: do ones that are busy simply use real cpu rest are silent?
(9:05:59 PM) mischief: i didnt know xen supported netbsd..
(9:06:03 PM) LumberCartel: CPU cycles are split between guests.
(9:06:08 PM) BLAM_exclpt: In the virt-manager gui I could choose 32 cpu lol
(9:06:11 PM) LumberCartel: Xen and NetBSD support each other very well.
(9:06:28 PM) BLAM_exclpt: xen on centos 5.4 I can't get to load anything but centos and redhat
(9:06:45 PM) LumberCartel: Well, I think that Xen on NetBSD is really worth looking at.
(9:06:54 PM) BLAM_exclpt: the CD images I mount blow up when star tto isntall guest saying " cant find any loadable OS "
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(9:07:19 PM) BLAM_exclpt: it is raelly up to date like xen 3.4?
(9:07:23 PM) LumberCartel: Yes.
(9:07:43 PM) LumberCartel: Hang on, I'll check what I've got on one of the production systems I'm supporting...
(9:08:00 PM) jsoft: Oooooh
(9:08:08 PM) jsoft: I ate wayyyy to much at dinner
(9:08:14 PM) jsoft: Am beached whale now
(9:08:27 PM) BLAM_exclpt: lol
(9:08:31 PM) LumberCartel: I have 3.3.2 on one of the more recent setups, but I'd be suprised if 3.4 isn't in pkgsrc by now.
(9:08:36 PM) BLAM_exclpt: wow
(9:08:42 PM) BLAM_exclpt: way mroe recent that centos
(9:08:44 PM) LumberCartel: jsoft: Avoid the Japanese -- they'll hunt you for sport!
(9:08:45 PM) BLAM_exclpt: 3.0
(9:08:50 PM) BLAM_exclpt: with centos 5.4
(9:09:22 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I wonder fi you offered a prisoner in jail his freedom if he would join reality show to hunt human live game liek runnign man etc?
(9:09:45 PM) BLAM_exclpt: damn it lumber now Im goign to try netbsd again
(9:09:50 PM) LumberCartel: Depends on the prisoner, I suppose.
(9:10:02 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I got so pissed last time I tride it since I felt liek a dum dum couldnt get pkgadd to add firefox
(9:10:09 PM) LumberCartel: And other factors, like if he's to be released next month he might just deicde to wait it out instead.
(9:10:17 PM) BLAM_exclpt: well yeah
(9:10:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I mean lifers
(9:10:38 PM) BLAM_exclpt: liek this: if you get away, then you get away
(9:10:40 PM) BLAM_exclpt: no manhunt
(9:10:51 PM) LumberCartel: Lifers? Oh I think most would go for it.
(9:10:57 PM) LumberCartel: Especially those who are suicidal.
(9:11:16 PM) LumberCartel: Okay, it seems that Xen is still at 3.3 on NetBSD (see xentools33): http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/sysutils/
(9:11:51 PM) BLAM_exclpt: what if company said: ok here is inetnet connection: learn perl, and build X, adn we will sponsor you getting better fodo in prison etc.
(9:11:56 PM) BLAM_exclpt: food
(9:12:06 PM) BLAM_exclpt: prisoner able to work way to better things
(9:12:08 PM) LumberCartel: Ha ha, learn perl.
(9:12:12 PM) BLAM_exclpt: or lisp
(9:12:18 PM) LumberCartel: Make that "Learn mod_perl2" and then you'll really have a challenge for them!
(9:12:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: haskell whatever
(9:12:21 PM) ***LumberCartel loves mod_perl2.
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(9:12:33 PM) BLAM_exclpt: learn catalyst and deliver X website
(9:12:36 PM) LumberCartel: Perl is my favourite programming language.
(9:12:39 PM) BLAM_exclpt: cmon
(9:12:43 PM) LumberCartel: Seriously.
(9:12:43 PM) BLAM_exclpt: good ole perl?
(9:12:45 PM) LumberCartel: I like it.
(9:12:46 PM) LumberCartel: Yup.
(9:12:49 PM) LumberCartel: I use it extensively.
(9:12:51 PM) BLAM_exclpt: the new site perl.org is all snazzy
(9:13:18 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I am such a puss I havent learned ti but have not made headway in haskell common lisp smalltalk or forth either, sigh
(9:13:51 PM) LumberCartel: I build web sites with mod_perl2 on Unix. The latest was http://www.openrfc.org/ and there are others.
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(9:15:03 PM) LumberCartel: Perl gets even better when ModPerl is in the picture, and not just for performance, but also for back-end database handle and query caching at the web server level, tight integration into Apache HTTPd, etc.
(9:15:33 PM) BLAM_exclpt: nice site
(9:15:39 PM) LumberCartel: Thanks! You like the humour links?
(9:15:45 PM) BLAM_exclpt: ever run load tests?
(9:15:48 PM) LumberCartel: http://www.openrfc.org/humour.pl
(9:15:50 PM) BLAM_exclpt: of course! cornier the better!
(9:16:02 PM) LumberCartel: I did a few times in the past, and it had no problems.
(9:16:45 PM) LumberCartel: After I moved from perl to mod_perl2, my CPU utilization, during peak times, dropped from ~10% to ~1%. When one of my clients got slash-dotted years ago, the CPU utilization jumped up to a whopping 3%.
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(9:19:25 PM) BLAM_exclpt: what!!!!!!!!
(9:19:28 PM) BLAM_exclpt: 3%
(9:19:31 PM) BLAM_exclpt: cmon
(9:19:38 PM) BLAM_exclpt: break.com needs to hire you
(9:19:40 PM) LumberCartel: My systems are QuadCore Xeon processors.
(9:19:43 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I had load avg 120
(9:19:48 PM) LumberCartel: As I mentioned, I'm an optimization nut.
(9:19:54 PM) LumberCartel: I use PostgreSQL for the database.
(9:19:58 PM) BLAM_exclpt: on I think dual core xeon 4 or 8 gm ram
(9:20:13 PM) BLAM_exclpt: postgresql I have always wanted to try
(9:20:18 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I heard it kicks ASS
(9:20:23 PM) LumberCartel: I also do stuff with Apache HTTPd 2 like using threads and whatnot because they're actually better.
(9:20:28 PM) LumberCartel: It does.
(9:20:30 PM) LumberCartel: It rivals Oracle.
(9:20:31 PM) BLAM_exclpt: do you have any web setup writeups simialr to the xen stuff?
(9:20:37 PM) LumberCartel: No.
(9:20:41 PM) LumberCartel: I haven't gotten to that yet.
(9:20:51 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I tried to convince at&T hosted to use the worker MPM
(9:20:54 PM) LumberCartel: I'm currently working on a write-up about how to set up NetBSD as a corporate internal LAN server.
(9:21:02 PM) BLAM_exclpt: they guy said no the prefork is jsut as fast etc.
(9:21:23 PM) LumberCartel: It is, but the tear-down and construction of pre-forks is expensive.
(9:21:28 PM) LumberCartel: Threads are very light.
(9:21:33 PM) BLAM_exclpt: do you have any trouble with the netbsd packaging system/ftp stuff
(9:21:45 PM) BLAM_exclpt: yeah and webservers=ram hogs
(9:22:08 PM) BLAM_exclpt: apache site says ram is very important esp to avoid swapping right?
(9:22:16 PM) BLAM_exclpt: thats why apaceh2 is THREADED
(9:22:29 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I investigated a bit of aolserver too and cherokee and compiled hiawatha
(9:22:39 PM) BLAM_exclpt: never got to load tests tho
(9:22:46 PM) BLAM_exclpt: neve rgot postgresql going
(9:22:51 PM) mischief: where the hell do you find articles on the net about setting up shared hosting?
(9:22:53 PM) LumberCartel: Most people don't understand threads, and so they blame threads for their own shortcomings. I used to program multi-threaded services on NetWare in Assembler a long time ago. Here's a threadpool I created in Java: http://www.internationalnetwork.com/java/docs.beta/com/internationalnetwork/lang/DynamicThreadPool.html
(9:23:06 PM) BLAM_exclpt: woa
(9:23:40 PM) BLAM_exclpt: assembler?
(9:23:42 PM) LumberCartel: mischief: It doesn't matter. You really need to teach yourself how to do this. I read the RFCs for HTTP, DNS, FTP, etc., and then Apache HTTPd was so easy to learn.
(9:23:48 PM) jsoft: mischief: shared hosting?
(9:23:55 PM) jsoft: mischief: Ive done that before
(9:23:58 PM) BLAM_exclpt: name based virtual hosts
(9:24:10 PM) BLAM_exclpt: [loser I read 0 RFC]
(9:24:11 PM) jsoft: mischief: what stuff do you need to run?
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(9:24:57 PM) jsoft: RFC's???
(9:24:58 PM) LumberCartel: Start with this RFC, seriously, then you can TRULY understand the ramifications of any security settings you configure in your web server software: http://rfc2068.openrfc.org/
(9:25:02 PM) jsoft: Rubbish
(9:25:12 PM) jsoft: Three years later...
(9:25:40 PM) LumberCartel: Well, do you want to be really REALLY good at what you do? Then this cure-for-insomnia (reading RFCs) is important.
(9:25:52 PM) jsoft: *yawn*
(9:26:01 PM) LumberCartel: It doesn't take that long to read. Heck, I read most of these when I was using an elliptical trainer at the local gym. Killed two birds with one stone that way.
(9:26:30 PM) jsoft: Sounds pretty ghastly to me.
(9:26:32 PM) LumberCartel: But you'll also need to read up on virtual hosts, and you'll definitely need to understand Unix security (OpenBSD is probably the very best place to start when you have an eye on security).
(9:26:40 PM) LumberCartel: It's not that bad.
(9:26:47 PM) jsoft: Sure it is.
(9:26:57 PM) LumberCartel: Then you're not cut out for it.
(9:27:04 PM) jsoft: There is no real point studying RFC's unless you need to write software
(9:27:13 PM) jsoft: Cut out for _WHAT_ ?
(9:28:12 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: I started with Commodore 64 BASIC, then found that very limiting by grade 6 and started learning 6502 ASM. After that I moved on to 8088 ASM on the XT, and eventually 80386 ASM on a newer PC. I also figured out LDTs, IDTs, GDTs, and made a simple multi-tasking kernel that updated different parts of text video memory at the same time (multiple tasks).
(9:28:44 PM) BLAM_exclpt: http://www.internationalnetwork.com/java/docs.beta/com/internationalnetwork/lang/DynamicThreadPool.html lumbercartel is this like a thread library for java?
(9:28:55 PM) mischief: jsoft, im saying if i wanted to start a company doing shared hosting
(9:28:59 PM) LumberCartel: jsoft: For setting up web hosting. If you aren't truly interested in learning how it works behind-the-scenes, then it could turn out to be a very frustrating challenge.
(9:29:25 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: Yes. Java, by the way, doesn't support re-runnable threads, but I made it work using 100% native Java code (no JNI).
(9:29:26 PM) mischief: you need to be able to properly configure each service involved and configure it according to being a shared host service
(9:29:31 PM) jsoft: LumberCartel: Oh wait, so one has to read RFC's to qualify as interested now?
(9:29:44 PM) LumberCartel: jsoft: Nope, but reading the RFCs will give you a major advantage.
(9:29:56 PM) BLAM_exclpt: holy shit my company needs to hire lumbercartel
(9:30:05 PM) LumberCartel: jsoft: You don't have to read all 5,000+ RFCs, just a couple that relate to the protocols you're supporting.
(9:30:30 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: I'm writing an SMTP/POP3/IMAP4 server in Java right now. It's 80% finished for the SMTP/POP3 part.
(9:30:46 PM) mischief: LumberCartel, well, i know a fair share for my age. :3
(9:30:53 PM) mischief: but there's still so much to learn...
(9:30:56 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I think knowing the RFC lets a programmer solve the problem without building on 40 other things
(9:31:05 PM) BLAM_exclpt: LumberCartel: link?
(9:31:06 PM) BLAM_exclpt: ;)
(9:31:08 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: It also uses configuration file format that is exactly the same as Apache's HTTPd's httpd.conf format.
(9:31:09 PM) jsoft: Yeah well, personally, I dont think you should be trying to do shared osting mischief
(9:31:22 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: Not yet. I have to get the domain name for it, but I want to finish the project first.
(9:31:33 PM) mischief: jsoft, whys that?
(9:31:37 PM) BLAM_exclpt: mischief: from 1 ip, you can server 1000 sites with name based vrtual hosts
(9:31:49 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: You know what my biggest beef is about open source projects? The complete and utter lack of comments in the code.
(9:31:58 PM) BLAM_exclpt: now keeping misceants from one anothers files HA!
(9:32:11 PM) LumberCartel: mischief: There's more than one way to learn things, but the RFCs lay all the cards on the table (usually) and are a great place to start.
(9:32:17 PM) BLAM_exclpt: really? yeah, I bet there is much code duplication
(9:32:40 PM) jsoft: mischief: well, despite disagreeing on LumberCartel's RFC comments, Thinking that you can just read a how-to on shared hosting is a major giveaway that you dont really understand enough yet
(9:32:41 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: I'm sure one could make that judgement after figuring out the mystery of what all that code does without its comments. Heheh.
(9:32:55 PM) jsoft: Or have had too little experience
(9:34:00 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: These are my Java classes for handling the httpd.conf-style configuration files: http://www.internationalnetwork.com/java/docs.beta/com/internationalnetwork/util/conf/package-summary.html
(9:34:35 PM) ***jsoft shudders at java :)
(9:34:45 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: The "ConfigurationResource" and "Rule" classes there include some source code.
(9:34:49 PM) LumberCartel: ...examples.
9:36:38 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I read a guy who made his own forth environment called iforth, and he said reable source is more important than code even running.
(9:37:15 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: I know someone who did that too -- his name is Roedy Green, and he called the environment "Abundance." His web site is: http://www.mindprod.com/
(9:37:58 PM) LumberCartel: I had the pleasure to work for him many years ago. He's a genius, the type MENSA would like to have as an honorary member.
(9:38:19 PM) LumberCartel: jsoft: Do you program Perl at all?
(9:39:09 PM) mischief: jsoft, i think you mis-understand, what im saying is i can never find anything on shared hosting when i go to look
(9:39:57 PM) BLAM_exclpt: they are keeping it secret so you dont compete with them!
(9:40:04 PM) BLAM_exclpt: genius!
(9:40:21 PM) BLAM_exclpt: this from a guy who does his own java thread libs and writes threaded apps on netware?
(9:40:27 PM) BLAM_exclpt: maybe I jsut suck really bad
(9:41:37 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I can figure many things out, but I tend to pick apart things instead of fulyl reading on each subject.
(9:41:46 PM) LumberCartel: I learned a lot from Roedy Green. I also learned a lot from other places too. His social skills aren't his strong point, but when it comes to solving technical problems he's got a knack for just seeing the solution as if it should be obvious to everyone. He usually doesn't have to think long and hard like a lot of folks.
(9:42:00 PM) mischief: o_O
(9:42:22 PM) LumberCartel: You don't suck (unless you're into that, but women might be off-topic here), this is just normal for most people.
(9:42:44 PM) BLAM_exclpt: whos this mr green?
(9:43:15 PM) LumberCartel: Mr. Roedy Green. http://www.mindprod.com/
(9:43:44 PM) BLAM_exclpt: ah ok thats him
(9:43:50 PM) BLAM_exclpt: oow the buttons
(9:44:47 PM) jsoft: Man its hot and humid here. That, coupled with my rather full belly, makes it hard for me to concentrate
(9:44:48 PM) jsoft: :(
(9:45:01 PM) LumberCartel: You know how it is -- the quality-content-heavy sites usually lack in the flashy/polished look department.
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(8:10:25 PM) shemale-magic: bugger if I know
(8:12:45 PM) lordsporkton: ahh i think man raid is answering me
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(8:14:37 PM) shemale-magic: yeah man and info are legendary on openbsd
(8:15:07 PM) shemale-magic: I am having trouble connecting x on openbsd desktop to centos 5.4 xen server
(8:15:28 PM) shemale-magic: I want to use the virt-manager gui
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(8:26:43 PM) levity: BLAM_exclpt: : ForwardX11Trusted
(8:27:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: is the a parameter ?
(8:27:25 PM) BLAM_exclpt: does ssh -Y do that?
(8:28:10 PM) levity: read the section of ssh_config(5) called ForwardX11Trusted
(8:28:28 PM) BLAM_exclpt: ok ading to blog
(8:29:18 PM) BLAM_exclpt: thank you!
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(8:45:05 PM) BLAM_exclpt: opebsd seems quite fast on my 3.0 p4 with 3200m ram
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(8:45:23 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I should have 4096 but I think there is something wrong wiher with one of the sticks or the motherboard
(8:46:57 PM) BLAM_exclpt: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=ssh_config holy crap this one option could be the key
(8:47:03 PM) BLAM_exclpt: levity you rock
(8:48:30 PM) levity: i personally would never contemplate enabling this feature ***SECURITY RISK***
(8:55:21 PM) BLAM_exclpt: well what about if it the difference btwixt having them bring in vmware or use xen?
(8:55:38 PM) ***LumberCartel really likes Xen.
(8:55:41 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I personally should really learn xen command line
(8:55:53 PM) LumberCartel: It's really easy.
(8:56:11 PM) LumberCartel: Just type "xm help" and spend an hour, then you'll know it.
(8:56:32 PM) BLAM_exclpt: hey lumber, where do I find the example for creating xen vm with redaht 4.6 at url i provide with the real DHCP ip ? the one that gets a real ip from local subnet dhcp?
(8:56:35 PM) BLAM_exclpt: ok
(8:56:44 PM) BLAM_exclpt: then I can say bleh to gui
(8:57:17 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I have already cloned vm
(8:57:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: :)
(8:57:25 PM) LumberCartel: I don't know about RedHat, but I can't imagine it being very much different from using NetBSD. I did write a document one day that guides users through installing Xen on NetBSD: http://www.lumbercartel.ca/library/xen/
(8:57:39 PM) LumberCartel: It will run Widows XP Pro with SP3 in HVM.
(8:58:07 PM) BLAM_exclpt: really?
(8:58:08 PM) LumberCartel: I'm currently using this configuration in 7 different production environments, and it actually makes Windows run faster.
(8:58:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I can curently only coax centos to laod centos and redaht os
(8:58:29 PM) BLAM_exclpt: any other barfs when I start setup
(8:58:31 PM) BLAM_exclpt: :(
(8:58:46 PM) LumberCartel: 5 of those environments are used to run a Windows XP designed application that provides database backend to web sites. The developer is only comfortable in Windows, so it's done to accomodate him.
(8:58:47 PM) BLAM_exclpt: xp paravirtualize?
(8:58:57 PM) LumberCartel: Yup.
(8:59:01 PM) LumberCartel: NetBSD supports it.
(8:59:03 PM) BLAM_exclpt: and windows db on real box?
(8:59:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: or windows app to unix db box? over odbc?
(8:59:31 PM) LumberCartel: NetBSD is the Dom0, and Widows XP is the DomU (on my systems I give XP 4 GBs of RAM, and it can use 3.75 GBs).
(9:00:21 PM) LumberCartel: In these cases, Windows is where the DB is, but Samba is used on Unix to provide network drive letters in Windows XP so that files can be stored on the server without consuming as much processing power on the Windows side (not that it's an issue, but I'm an optimization nut).
(9:00:21 PM) BLAM_exclpt: how many cpu / ram on dom0?
(9:01:01 PM) BLAM_exclpt: oh hell yeah I already want to use lvm2 to provide partitions on a linux FTP server and then mount space i need on any vm
(9:01:15 PM) LumberCartel: On most of these systems, Dom0 gets 2 GBs (it doesn't need even 1 GBs though) to run NetBSD 5.0.1 (the current version), and 1 CPU. The DomU gets WinXP with 4 GBs of RAM and 3 CPUs. Windows correctly detects 3 CPUs.
(9:01:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: or if lazy let em all sahr e1 big NFS share
(9:01:31 PM) LumberCartel: Heheh.
(9:01:31 PM) LumberCartel: Yup.
(9:01:35 PM) BLAM_exclpt: [sub FTP for NFS in first bit]
(9:02:13 PM) BLAM_exclpt: ok so instead of 1 huge box you do many dom0, giving msot power to guest
(9:02:22 PM) BLAM_exclpt: cool
(9:02:45 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I had some trouble with netbsd packaging while back
(9:02:55 PM) LumberCartel: No, can only have on Dom0 -- that's your host. The "guests" are all DomU.
(9:02:55 PM) BLAM_exclpt: do you run netbsd desktop with firrefox?
(9:03:14 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I meant like 8 physical box, each a xen dom0, each with 1 xp guest?
(9:03:36 PM) LumberCartel: You don't need any GUI stuff to make Xen work. My document explains how to set it up with the minimum this way too. You also won't need GRUB because NetBSD 5 has a proper boot loader.
(9:04:01 PM) LumberCartel: Yes.
(9:04:06 PM) LumberCartel: Because each is a separate client.
(9:04:17 PM) LumberCartel: I've run more than a dozen DomUs running XP though, and it was fine.
(9:04:29 PM) LumberCartel: Slower, indeed, due to limited CPU resources, but it worked.
(9:04:31 PM) LumberCartel: No crashing.
(9:05:18 PM) BLAM_exclpt: dozen on 1 xen dom0?
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(9:05:33 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I am curious what happens when have more vm cpu than real
(9:05:34 PM) LumberCartel: One box, one Dom0, more than a dozen DomUs (each running XP).
(9:05:43 PM) BLAM_exclpt: do ones that are busy simply use real cpu rest are silent?
(9:05:59 PM) mischief: i didnt know xen supported netbsd..
(9:06:03 PM) LumberCartel: CPU cycles are split between guests.
(9:06:08 PM) BLAM_exclpt: In the virt-manager gui I could choose 32 cpu lol
(9:06:11 PM) LumberCartel: Xen and NetBSD support each other very well.
(9:06:28 PM) BLAM_exclpt: xen on centos 5.4 I can't get to load anything but centos and redhat
(9:06:45 PM) LumberCartel: Well, I think that Xen on NetBSD is really worth looking at.
(9:06:54 PM) BLAM_exclpt: the CD images I mount blow up when star tto isntall guest saying " cant find any loadable OS "
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(9:07:19 PM) BLAM_exclpt: it is raelly up to date like xen 3.4?
(9:07:23 PM) LumberCartel: Yes.
(9:07:43 PM) LumberCartel: Hang on, I'll check what I've got on one of the production systems I'm supporting...
(9:08:00 PM) jsoft: Oooooh
(9:08:08 PM) jsoft: I ate wayyyy to much at dinner
(9:08:14 PM) jsoft: Am beached whale now
(9:08:27 PM) BLAM_exclpt: lol
(9:08:31 PM) LumberCartel: I have 3.3.2 on one of the more recent setups, but I'd be suprised if 3.4 isn't in pkgsrc by now.
(9:08:36 PM) BLAM_exclpt: wow
(9:08:42 PM) BLAM_exclpt: way mroe recent that centos
(9:08:44 PM) LumberCartel: jsoft: Avoid the Japanese -- they'll hunt you for sport!
(9:08:45 PM) BLAM_exclpt: 3.0
(9:08:50 PM) BLAM_exclpt: with centos 5.4
(9:09:22 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I wonder fi you offered a prisoner in jail his freedom if he would join reality show to hunt human live game liek runnign man etc?
(9:09:45 PM) BLAM_exclpt: damn it lumber now Im goign to try netbsd again
(9:09:50 PM) LumberCartel: Depends on the prisoner, I suppose.
(9:10:02 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I got so pissed last time I tride it since I felt liek a dum dum couldnt get pkgadd to add firefox
(9:10:09 PM) LumberCartel: And other factors, like if he's to be released next month he might just deicde to wait it out instead.
(9:10:17 PM) BLAM_exclpt: well yeah
(9:10:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I mean lifers
(9:10:38 PM) BLAM_exclpt: liek this: if you get away, then you get away
(9:10:40 PM) BLAM_exclpt: no manhunt
(9:10:51 PM) LumberCartel: Lifers? Oh I think most would go for it.
(9:10:57 PM) LumberCartel: Especially those who are suicidal.
(9:11:16 PM) LumberCartel: Okay, it seems that Xen is still at 3.3 on NetBSD (see xentools33): http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/sysutils/
(9:11:51 PM) BLAM_exclpt: what if company said: ok here is inetnet connection: learn perl, and build X, adn we will sponsor you getting better fodo in prison etc.
(9:11:56 PM) BLAM_exclpt: food
(9:12:06 PM) BLAM_exclpt: prisoner able to work way to better things
(9:12:08 PM) LumberCartel: Ha ha, learn perl.
(9:12:12 PM) BLAM_exclpt: or lisp
(9:12:18 PM) LumberCartel: Make that "Learn mod_perl2" and then you'll really have a challenge for them!
(9:12:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: haskell whatever
(9:12:21 PM) ***LumberCartel loves mod_perl2.
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(9:12:33 PM) BLAM_exclpt: learn catalyst and deliver X website
(9:12:36 PM) LumberCartel: Perl is my favourite programming language.
(9:12:39 PM) BLAM_exclpt: cmon
(9:12:43 PM) LumberCartel: Seriously.
(9:12:43 PM) BLAM_exclpt: good ole perl?
(9:12:45 PM) LumberCartel: I like it.
(9:12:46 PM) LumberCartel: Yup.
(9:12:49 PM) LumberCartel: I use it extensively.
(9:12:51 PM) BLAM_exclpt: the new site perl.org is all snazzy
(9:13:18 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I am such a puss I havent learned ti but have not made headway in haskell common lisp smalltalk or forth either, sigh
(9:13:51 PM) LumberCartel: I build web sites with mod_perl2 on Unix. The latest was http://www.openrfc.org/ and there are others.
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(9:15:03 PM) LumberCartel: Perl gets even better when ModPerl is in the picture, and not just for performance, but also for back-end database handle and query caching at the web server level, tight integration into Apache HTTPd, etc.
(9:15:33 PM) BLAM_exclpt: nice site
(9:15:39 PM) LumberCartel: Thanks! You like the humour links?
(9:15:45 PM) BLAM_exclpt: ever run load tests?
(9:15:48 PM) LumberCartel: http://www.openrfc.org/humour.pl
(9:15:50 PM) BLAM_exclpt: of course! cornier the better!
(9:16:02 PM) LumberCartel: I did a few times in the past, and it had no problems.
(9:16:45 PM) LumberCartel: After I moved from perl to mod_perl2, my CPU utilization, during peak times, dropped from ~10% to ~1%. When one of my clients got slash-dotted years ago, the CPU utilization jumped up to a whopping 3%.
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(9:19:25 PM) BLAM_exclpt: what!!!!!!!!
(9:19:28 PM) BLAM_exclpt: 3%
(9:19:31 PM) BLAM_exclpt: cmon
(9:19:38 PM) BLAM_exclpt: break.com needs to hire you
(9:19:40 PM) LumberCartel: My systems are QuadCore Xeon processors.
(9:19:43 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I had load avg 120
(9:19:48 PM) LumberCartel: As I mentioned, I'm an optimization nut.
(9:19:54 PM) LumberCartel: I use PostgreSQL for the database.
(9:19:58 PM) BLAM_exclpt: on I think dual core xeon 4 or 8 gm ram
(9:20:13 PM) BLAM_exclpt: postgresql I have always wanted to try
(9:20:18 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I heard it kicks ASS
(9:20:23 PM) LumberCartel: I also do stuff with Apache HTTPd 2 like using threads and whatnot because they're actually better.
(9:20:28 PM) LumberCartel: It does.
(9:20:30 PM) LumberCartel: It rivals Oracle.
(9:20:31 PM) BLAM_exclpt: do you have any web setup writeups simialr to the xen stuff?
(9:20:37 PM) LumberCartel: No.
(9:20:41 PM) LumberCartel: I haven't gotten to that yet.
(9:20:51 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I tried to convince at&T hosted to use the worker MPM
(9:20:54 PM) LumberCartel: I'm currently working on a write-up about how to set up NetBSD as a corporate internal LAN server.
(9:21:02 PM) BLAM_exclpt: they guy said no the prefork is jsut as fast etc.
(9:21:23 PM) LumberCartel: It is, but the tear-down and construction of pre-forks is expensive.
(9:21:28 PM) LumberCartel: Threads are very light.
(9:21:33 PM) BLAM_exclpt: do you have any trouble with the netbsd packaging system/ftp stuff
(9:21:45 PM) BLAM_exclpt: yeah and webservers=ram hogs
(9:22:08 PM) BLAM_exclpt: apache site says ram is very important esp to avoid swapping right?
(9:22:16 PM) BLAM_exclpt: thats why apaceh2 is THREADED
(9:22:29 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I investigated a bit of aolserver too and cherokee and compiled hiawatha
(9:22:39 PM) BLAM_exclpt: never got to load tests tho
(9:22:46 PM) BLAM_exclpt: neve rgot postgresql going
(9:22:51 PM) mischief: where the hell do you find articles on the net about setting up shared hosting?
(9:22:53 PM) LumberCartel: Most people don't understand threads, and so they blame threads for their own shortcomings. I used to program multi-threaded services on NetWare in Assembler a long time ago. Here's a threadpool I created in Java: http://www.internationalnetwork.com/java/docs.beta/com/internationalnetwork/lang/DynamicThreadPool.html
(9:23:06 PM) BLAM_exclpt: woa
(9:23:40 PM) BLAM_exclpt: assembler?
(9:23:42 PM) LumberCartel: mischief: It doesn't matter. You really need to teach yourself how to do this. I read the RFCs for HTTP, DNS, FTP, etc., and then Apache HTTPd was so easy to learn.
(9:23:48 PM) jsoft: mischief: shared hosting?
(9:23:55 PM) jsoft: mischief: Ive done that before
(9:23:58 PM) BLAM_exclpt: name based virtual hosts
(9:24:10 PM) BLAM_exclpt: [loser I read 0 RFC]
(9:24:11 PM) jsoft: mischief: what stuff do you need to run?
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(9:24:57 PM) jsoft: RFC's???
(9:24:58 PM) LumberCartel: Start with this RFC, seriously, then you can TRULY understand the ramifications of any security settings you configure in your web server software: http://rfc2068.openrfc.org/
(9:25:02 PM) jsoft: Rubbish
(9:25:12 PM) jsoft: Three years later...
(9:25:40 PM) LumberCartel: Well, do you want to be really REALLY good at what you do? Then this cure-for-insomnia (reading RFCs) is important.
(9:25:52 PM) jsoft: *yawn*
(9:26:01 PM) LumberCartel: It doesn't take that long to read. Heck, I read most of these when I was using an elliptical trainer at the local gym. Killed two birds with one stone that way.
(9:26:30 PM) jsoft: Sounds pretty ghastly to me.
(9:26:32 PM) LumberCartel: But you'll also need to read up on virtual hosts, and you'll definitely need to understand Unix security (OpenBSD is probably the very best place to start when you have an eye on security).
(9:26:40 PM) LumberCartel: It's not that bad.
(9:26:47 PM) jsoft: Sure it is.
(9:26:57 PM) LumberCartel: Then you're not cut out for it.
(9:27:04 PM) jsoft: There is no real point studying RFC's unless you need to write software
(9:27:13 PM) jsoft: Cut out for _WHAT_ ?
(9:28:12 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: I started with Commodore 64 BASIC, then found that very limiting by grade 6 and started learning 6502 ASM. After that I moved on to 8088 ASM on the XT, and eventually 80386 ASM on a newer PC. I also figured out LDTs, IDTs, GDTs, and made a simple multi-tasking kernel that updated different parts of text video memory at the same time (multiple tasks).
(9:28:44 PM) BLAM_exclpt: http://www.internationalnetwork.com/java/docs.beta/com/internationalnetwork/lang/DynamicThreadPool.html lumbercartel is this like a thread library for java?
(9:28:55 PM) mischief: jsoft, im saying if i wanted to start a company doing shared hosting
(9:28:59 PM) LumberCartel: jsoft: For setting up web hosting. If you aren't truly interested in learning how it works behind-the-scenes, then it could turn out to be a very frustrating challenge.
(9:29:25 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: Yes. Java, by the way, doesn't support re-runnable threads, but I made it work using 100% native Java code (no JNI).
(9:29:26 PM) mischief: you need to be able to properly configure each service involved and configure it according to being a shared host service
(9:29:31 PM) jsoft: LumberCartel: Oh wait, so one has to read RFC's to qualify as interested now?
(9:29:44 PM) LumberCartel: jsoft: Nope, but reading the RFCs will give you a major advantage.
(9:29:56 PM) BLAM_exclpt: holy shit my company needs to hire lumbercartel
(9:30:05 PM) LumberCartel: jsoft: You don't have to read all 5,000+ RFCs, just a couple that relate to the protocols you're supporting.
(9:30:30 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: I'm writing an SMTP/POP3/IMAP4 server in Java right now. It's 80% finished for the SMTP/POP3 part.
(9:30:46 PM) mischief: LumberCartel, well, i know a fair share for my age. :3
(9:30:53 PM) mischief: but there's still so much to learn...
(9:30:56 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I think knowing the RFC lets a programmer solve the problem without building on 40 other things
(9:31:05 PM) BLAM_exclpt: LumberCartel: link?
(9:31:06 PM) BLAM_exclpt: ;)
(9:31:08 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: It also uses configuration file format that is exactly the same as Apache's HTTPd's httpd.conf format.
(9:31:09 PM) jsoft: Yeah well, personally, I dont think you should be trying to do shared osting mischief
(9:31:22 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: Not yet. I have to get the domain name for it, but I want to finish the project first.
(9:31:33 PM) mischief: jsoft, whys that?
(9:31:37 PM) BLAM_exclpt: mischief: from 1 ip, you can server 1000 sites with name based vrtual hosts
(9:31:49 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: You know what my biggest beef is about open source projects? The complete and utter lack of comments in the code.
(9:31:58 PM) BLAM_exclpt: now keeping misceants from one anothers files HA!
(9:32:11 PM) LumberCartel: mischief: There's more than one way to learn things, but the RFCs lay all the cards on the table (usually) and are a great place to start.
(9:32:17 PM) BLAM_exclpt: really? yeah, I bet there is much code duplication
(9:32:40 PM) jsoft: mischief: well, despite disagreeing on LumberCartel's RFC comments, Thinking that you can just read a how-to on shared hosting is a major giveaway that you dont really understand enough yet
(9:32:41 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: I'm sure one could make that judgement after figuring out the mystery of what all that code does without its comments. Heheh.
(9:32:55 PM) jsoft: Or have had too little experience
(9:34:00 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: These are my Java classes for handling the httpd.conf-style configuration files: http://www.internationalnetwork.com/java/docs.beta/com/internationalnetwork/util/conf/package-summary.html
(9:34:35 PM) ***jsoft shudders at java :)
(9:34:45 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: The "ConfigurationResource" and "Rule" classes there include some source code.
(9:34:49 PM) LumberCartel: ...examples.
9:36:38 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I read a guy who made his own forth environment called iforth, and he said reable source is more important than code even running.
(9:37:15 PM) LumberCartel: BLAM_exclpt: I know someone who did that too -- his name is Roedy Green, and he called the environment "Abundance." His web site is: http://www.mindprod.com/
(9:37:58 PM) LumberCartel: I had the pleasure to work for him many years ago. He's a genius, the type MENSA would like to have as an honorary member.
(9:38:19 PM) LumberCartel: jsoft: Do you program Perl at all?
(9:39:09 PM) mischief: jsoft, i think you mis-understand, what im saying is i can never find anything on shared hosting when i go to look
(9:39:57 PM) BLAM_exclpt: they are keeping it secret so you dont compete with them!
(9:40:04 PM) BLAM_exclpt: genius!
(9:40:21 PM) BLAM_exclpt: this from a guy who does his own java thread libs and writes threaded apps on netware?
(9:40:27 PM) BLAM_exclpt: maybe I jsut suck really bad
(9:41:37 PM) BLAM_exclpt: I can figure many things out, but I tend to pick apart things instead of fulyl reading on each subject.
(9:41:46 PM) LumberCartel: I learned a lot from Roedy Green. I also learned a lot from other places too. His social skills aren't his strong point, but when it comes to solving technical problems he's got a knack for just seeing the solution as if it should be obvious to everyone. He usually doesn't have to think long and hard like a lot of folks.
(9:42:00 PM) mischief: o_O
(9:42:22 PM) LumberCartel: You don't suck (unless you're into that, but women might be off-topic here), this is just normal for most people.
(9:42:44 PM) BLAM_exclpt: whos this mr green?
(9:43:15 PM) LumberCartel: Mr. Roedy Green. http://www.mindprod.com/
(9:43:44 PM) BLAM_exclpt: ah ok thats him
(9:43:50 PM) BLAM_exclpt: oow the buttons
(9:44:47 PM) jsoft: Man its hot and humid here. That, coupled with my rather full belly, makes it hard for me to concentrate
(9:44:48 PM) jsoft: :(
(9:45:01 PM) LumberCartel: You know how it is -- the quality-content-heavy sites usually lack in the flashy/polished look department.
ramifications of any security settings you configure in your web server software
LumberCartel: Start with this RFC, seriously, then you can TRULY understand the ramifications of any security settings you configure in your web server software: http://rfc2068.openrfc.org/
read RFCs
LumberCartel: mischief: It doesn't matter. You really need to teach yourself how to do this. I read the RFCs for HTTP, DNS, FTP, etc., and then Apache HTTPd was so easy to learn.
threads java threadpool
mischief: where the hell do you find articles on the net about setting up shared hosting?
(9:22:53 PM) LumberCartel: Most people don't understand threads, and so they blame threads for their own shortcomings. I used to program multi-threaded services on NetWare in Assembler a long time ago. Here's a threadpool I created in Java: http://www.internationalnetwork.com/java/docs.beta/com/internationalnetwork/lang/DynamicThreadPool.html
(9:23:06 PM) BLAM_exclpt: woa
(9:22:53 PM) LumberCartel: Most people don't understand threads, and so they blame threads for their own shortcomings. I used to program multi-threaded services on NetWare in Assembler a long time ago. Here's a threadpool I created in Java: http://www.internationalnetwork.com/java/docs.beta/com/internationalnetwork/lang/DynamicThreadPool.html
(9:23:06 PM) BLAM_exclpt: woa
xen doc lumbercartel
LumberCartel: I don't know about RedHat, but I can't imagine it being very much different from using NetBSD. I did write a document one day that guides users through installing Xen on NetBSD: http://www.lumbercartel.ca/library/xen/
xm help xen command line
(8:56:11 PM) LumberCartel: Just type "xm help" and spend an hour, then you'll know it.
(8:56:32 PM) BLAM_exclpt: hey lumber, where do I find the example for creating xen vm with redaht 4.6 at url i provide with the real DHCP ip ? the one that gets a real ip from local subnet dhcp?
(8:56:35 PM) BLAM_exclpt: ok
(8:56:44 PM) BLAM_exclpt: then I can say bleh to gui
(8:56:32 PM) BLAM_exclpt: hey lumber, where do I find the example for creating xen vm with redaht 4.6 at url i provide with the real DHCP ip ? the one that gets a real ip from local subnet dhcp?
(8:56:35 PM) BLAM_exclpt: ok
(8:56:44 PM) BLAM_exclpt: then I can say bleh to gui
levity: BLAM_exclpt: : ForwardX11Trusted (8:27:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: is the a parameter ? (8:27:25 PM) BLAM_exclpt: does ssh -Y do that? (8:28:10 PM)
levity: BLAM_exclpt: : ForwardX11Trusted
(8:27:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: is the a parameter ?
(8:27:25 PM) BLAM_exclpt: does ssh -Y do that?
(8:28:10 PM) levity: read the section of ssh_config(5) called ForwardX11Trusted
(8:27:20 PM) BLAM_exclpt: is the a parameter ?
(8:27:25 PM) BLAM_exclpt: does ssh -Y do that?
(8:28:10 PM) levity: read the section of ssh_config(5) called ForwardX11Trusted
Wednesday, February 3, 2010
octomom denies surgery with ballon lips
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/suleman-octuplets-mark-first-birthday/6p1woj7
Tuesday, February 2, 2010
plan 9 howtos
http://www.quanstro.net/newbie-guide.pdf
initial startup screen tutorial
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Using_acme/index.html
http://acme.cat-v.org/readme
initial startup screen tutorial
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Using_acme/index.html
http://acme.cat-v.org/readme
A judge ruled Monday that online travel sites such as Expedia do not owe the city of Anaheim $21 million in hotel taxes
Calif. court nixes $21M claim against travel sites
Los Angeles court overturns Anaheim's $21M claim against Expedia, other online travel sites
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On Monday February 1, 2010, 9:21 pm EST
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A judge ruled Monday that online travel sites such as Expedia do not owe the city of Anaheim $21 million in hotel taxes for rooms booked over the Internet, the first ruling of its kind in California on an issue that has bubbled up in cities across the country.
In her ruling, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Carolyn Kuhl set aside last year's decision by a city hearing officer that the travel booking sites owed $21.3 million to Anaheim in back hotel taxes.
The city is reviewing its options, spokeswoman Marty DeSollar said in an e-mailed statement.
A coalition of the online travel sites, including Priceline, Expedia Inc., Orbitz, Hotwire, Hotels.com and Trip Network Inc., filed papers asking to overturn the hearing officer's ruling.
Such disputes are increasingly common between online travel companies and tourist-dependent cities.
Lawsuits or complaints have been filed around the country by cities or customers, including in Georgia, Maryland, Texas, New York, Illinois, Pennsylvania and in the California cities of San Diego and San Francisco.
Many of them have been dismissed at the federal or state level, but others are still pending.
The lawsuits hinge on the complicated pricing schemes used by online travel sites.
When consumers make reservations at the sites, they pay more for a room than the online outfits pay the hotels for the room, allowing the online companies to pocket the difference.
The taxes are paid on that cheaper rate. That means if a travel site buys a room from a hotel at $50 and sells it for $100, the site sends the hotel taxes for the amount it paid and not the price it charged. The companies say the exact markup rate is confidential.
Cities say they should be paid on the higher rate.
The online travel companies are hopeful the decision could influence cases pending in other municipalities, attorney Darrel Hieber said in a prepared statement.
"We are heartened by the court's decision and hope it will encourage other municipalities to work with (online travel companies) to increase tourism through cooperation, rather than wasting time and energy on frivolous litigation."
Los Angeles court overturns Anaheim's $21M claim against Expedia, other online travel sites
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On Monday February 1, 2010, 9:21 pm EST
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A judge ruled Monday that online travel sites such as Expedia do not owe the city of Anaheim $21 million in hotel taxes for rooms booked over the Internet, the first ruling of its kind in California on an issue that has bubbled up in cities across the country.
In her ruling, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Carolyn Kuhl set aside last year's decision by a city hearing officer that the travel booking sites owed $21.3 million to Anaheim in back hotel taxes.
The city is reviewing its options, spokeswoman Marty DeSollar said in an e-mailed statement.
A coalition of the online travel sites, including Priceline, Expedia Inc., Orbitz, Hotwire, Hotels.com and Trip Network Inc., filed papers asking to overturn the hearing officer's ruling.
Such disputes are increasingly common between online travel companies and tourist-dependent cities.
Lawsuits or complaints have been filed around the country by cities or customers, including in Georgia, Maryland, Texas, New York, Illinois, Pennsylvania and in the California cities of San Diego and San Francisco.
Many of them have been dismissed at the federal or state level, but others are still pending.
The lawsuits hinge on the complicated pricing schemes used by online travel sites.
When consumers make reservations at the sites, they pay more for a room than the online outfits pay the hotels for the room, allowing the online companies to pocket the difference.
The taxes are paid on that cheaper rate. That means if a travel site buys a room from a hotel at $50 and sells it for $100, the site sends the hotel taxes for the amount it paid and not the price it charged. The companies say the exact markup rate is confidential.
Cities say they should be paid on the higher rate.
The online travel companies are hopeful the decision could influence cases pending in other municipalities, attorney Darrel Hieber said in a prepared statement.
"We are heartened by the court's decision and hope it will encourage other municipalities to work with (online travel companies) to increase tourism through cooperation, rather than wasting time and energy on frivolous litigation."
obama tax and spend failure
Obama budget: Record spending, record deficit
Obama's multitrillion-dollar budget would deepen record pool of red ink, urge jobless help
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AP - President Barack Obama makes a statement in the Grand Foyer of the White House in Washington, Monday, Feb. ...
By Andrew Taylor, Associated Press Writer , On Tuesday February 2, 2010, 12:30 am EST
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Spelling out painful priorities, President Barack Obama urged Congress on Monday to quickly approve a huge new shot of spending for recession relief and job creation, part of a record $3.8 trillion budget that would boost the deficit beyond any in the nation's history while only slowly beginning to put Americans back to work.
If Congress goes along with Obama's election-year plan, the nation would still end the year with unemployment pushing double digits at 9.8 percent and this year's pool of government red ink deepening to $1.56 trillion under the administration's accounting.
The spending blueprint for next year calls for tax cuts for workers and business and more aid for cash-starved state governments as well as the unemployed. The jobs initiative largely mirrors last year's stimulus bill, but is about one-third its size. The president is asking for nearly $300 billion for recession relief and job stimulus.
The budget paints a remarkably dire picture of a federal government that will have to borrow one-third of what it spends next year as it runs a deficit that still would total some $1.3 trillion.
At the same time, Obama is acutely aware that persistent joblessness is the issue most likely to spell political trouble for Democrats in this year's midterm elections -- and perhaps for his own re-election chances in 2012.
The president's budget plan sees the deficit coming down by nearly $300 billion next year, and he's offering more than $1 trillion in deficit reduction proposals over the coming decade.
While proposing increases for immediate needs, he urged lawmakers to follow his lead and make cuts, even painful ones in programs dear to them. "I'm asking Republicans and Democrats alike to take a fresh look at programs they've supported in the past to see what's working and what's not, and trim back accordingly," he said.
Obama's deficit salve mixed nearly $1 trillion in tax increases on higher-income people with $250 billion in savings over a decade from a partial freeze on domestic programs. But popular benefit programs like Medicare would remain untouched.
Republicans weren't impressed.
"They're not willing to do big ideas. They're doing ideas that create perception but don't do anything big," said New Hampshire Sen. Judd Gregg, senior Republican on the Budget Committee. "The spending freeze for example. You're talking what, $10 billion on a $1.6 trillion deficit?"
Democrats, facing the prospect of major losses in November, are likely to join Republicans in balking at many of Obama's proposals. Moderate Democrats already are wary of another debt-financed economic stimulus program and may also choke on many of the recommended tax increases and spending cuts.
Obama's proposal to cut payments to wealthier farmers, for example is probably dead on arrival and his renewed push to end purchases of new C-17 cargo planes for the military is sure to incite a battle with lawmakers from California, where the planes are assembled.
Proposing a partial spending freeze, tax increases for wealthier people and a new fee on banks, the president's proposal still amounts to just tinkering at the edges of the larger budget problem.
Obama's budget presents a delicate balance between trying to cement the fragile recovery and pivoting to curb deficits that are on the rise not only in dollar figures but also as a political issue that is causing Democrats to lose popularity with independent voters.
So while pledging to tackle deficits, he also said that continuing them in the short term is necessary to help lower unemployment. We will "do what it takes to create jobs," he said. "It's essential."
His budget proposed a job creation tax credit of up to $5,000 for each new worker that businesses hire, another round of one-time $250 checks for senior citizen on Social Security and extending unemployment benefits and health insurance subsidies for the jobless through the end of the year. Obama also wants to extend a $400 "Making Work Pay" tax credit for most workers through 2011.
While White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs spoke Sunday of a $100 billion jobs initiative, these "temporary recovery measures" in fact total $282 billion through the autumn of 2012, according to budget documents.
At the same time, Obama wants to hand off to a commission decisions on the tough steps needed to reduce deficits and slow the growth in the federal debt to levels economists deem prudent. The panel's recommendations wouldn't be due until after the midterm election.
Obama's proposal lays out a path to reduce annual deficits to about $700 billion in four years, but ideas for tax increases or cuts in popular benefit programs like Medicare or Social Security to reduce them an additional $200 billion would have to come from the commission.
"We simply cannot continue to spend as if deficits don't have consequences, as if waste doesn't matter, as if the hard-earned tax dollars of the American people can be treated like Monopoly money, as if we can ignore this challenge for another generation," Obama said.
Balancing the budget or producing surpluses of the kind from 1998 through 2001 is now seen as all but impossible. Instead, many policymakers are for a secondary goal of stabilizing the national debt in relation to the size of the economy. That generally requires keeping the deficit to 3 percent of gross domestic product. Just three years ago, the deficit stood at 1.2 percent of GDP. This year it's 10.6 percent.
Obama dropped his plan into a poisonous election-year atmosphere. Republicans in Congress immediately labeled it as a toxic mix of higher taxes, big spending and debt, saying it would still produce deficits totaling $8.5 trillion over the coming decade.
Obama inherited a difficult deficit situation when taking office amid a severe recession and financial crisis that made tax revenues plummet and caused unemployment benefits and food stamp costs to spike.
"When I first walked through the door, the deficit stood at $1.3 trillion," Obama said, citing the estimates that greeted him a year ago.
Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, top Republican on the Budget Committee, acknowledged that Obama inherited a mess but said he's gone overboard with spending on pet Democratic programs.
"You can't blame everything on the past," Ryan said.
Obama now mostly owns the deficit as a political issue after passing last year's $862 billion economic stimulus bill and other major spending legislation that's earned mixed reviews with the public.
Obama would extend most of President George W. Bush's tax cuts, as they apply to middle-income earners. Married couples making more than $250,000 and individuals making more than $200,000 would see their marginal tax rates rise to as much as 39.6 percent and also lose some of the benefits they take on itemized deductions like charitable gifts and mortgage interest.
Associated Press writers Martin Crutsinger, Stephen Ohlemacher and Jennifer Loven contributed to this report.
(This version CORRECTS figure to $200 billion from $200 million.)
Obama's multitrillion-dollar budget would deepen record pool of red ink, urge jobless help
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AP - President Barack Obama makes a statement in the Grand Foyer of the White House in Washington, Monday, Feb. ...
By Andrew Taylor, Associated Press Writer , On Tuesday February 2, 2010, 12:30 am EST
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Spelling out painful priorities, President Barack Obama urged Congress on Monday to quickly approve a huge new shot of spending for recession relief and job creation, part of a record $3.8 trillion budget that would boost the deficit beyond any in the nation's history while only slowly beginning to put Americans back to work.
If Congress goes along with Obama's election-year plan, the nation would still end the year with unemployment pushing double digits at 9.8 percent and this year's pool of government red ink deepening to $1.56 trillion under the administration's accounting.
The spending blueprint for next year calls for tax cuts for workers and business and more aid for cash-starved state governments as well as the unemployed. The jobs initiative largely mirrors last year's stimulus bill, but is about one-third its size. The president is asking for nearly $300 billion for recession relief and job stimulus.
The budget paints a remarkably dire picture of a federal government that will have to borrow one-third of what it spends next year as it runs a deficit that still would total some $1.3 trillion.
At the same time, Obama is acutely aware that persistent joblessness is the issue most likely to spell political trouble for Democrats in this year's midterm elections -- and perhaps for his own re-election chances in 2012.
The president's budget plan sees the deficit coming down by nearly $300 billion next year, and he's offering more than $1 trillion in deficit reduction proposals over the coming decade.
While proposing increases for immediate needs, he urged lawmakers to follow his lead and make cuts, even painful ones in programs dear to them. "I'm asking Republicans and Democrats alike to take a fresh look at programs they've supported in the past to see what's working and what's not, and trim back accordingly," he said.
Obama's deficit salve mixed nearly $1 trillion in tax increases on higher-income people with $250 billion in savings over a decade from a partial freeze on domestic programs. But popular benefit programs like Medicare would remain untouched.
Republicans weren't impressed.
"They're not willing to do big ideas. They're doing ideas that create perception but don't do anything big," said New Hampshire Sen. Judd Gregg, senior Republican on the Budget Committee. "The spending freeze for example. You're talking what, $10 billion on a $1.6 trillion deficit?"
Democrats, facing the prospect of major losses in November, are likely to join Republicans in balking at many of Obama's proposals. Moderate Democrats already are wary of another debt-financed economic stimulus program and may also choke on many of the recommended tax increases and spending cuts.
Obama's proposal to cut payments to wealthier farmers, for example is probably dead on arrival and his renewed push to end purchases of new C-17 cargo planes for the military is sure to incite a battle with lawmakers from California, where the planes are assembled.
Proposing a partial spending freeze, tax increases for wealthier people and a new fee on banks, the president's proposal still amounts to just tinkering at the edges of the larger budget problem.
Obama's budget presents a delicate balance between trying to cement the fragile recovery and pivoting to curb deficits that are on the rise not only in dollar figures but also as a political issue that is causing Democrats to lose popularity with independent voters.
So while pledging to tackle deficits, he also said that continuing them in the short term is necessary to help lower unemployment. We will "do what it takes to create jobs," he said. "It's essential."
His budget proposed a job creation tax credit of up to $5,000 for each new worker that businesses hire, another round of one-time $250 checks for senior citizen on Social Security and extending unemployment benefits and health insurance subsidies for the jobless through the end of the year. Obama also wants to extend a $400 "Making Work Pay" tax credit for most workers through 2011.
While White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs spoke Sunday of a $100 billion jobs initiative, these "temporary recovery measures" in fact total $282 billion through the autumn of 2012, according to budget documents.
At the same time, Obama wants to hand off to a commission decisions on the tough steps needed to reduce deficits and slow the growth in the federal debt to levels economists deem prudent. The panel's recommendations wouldn't be due until after the midterm election.
Obama's proposal lays out a path to reduce annual deficits to about $700 billion in four years, but ideas for tax increases or cuts in popular benefit programs like Medicare or Social Security to reduce them an additional $200 billion would have to come from the commission.
"We simply cannot continue to spend as if deficits don't have consequences, as if waste doesn't matter, as if the hard-earned tax dollars of the American people can be treated like Monopoly money, as if we can ignore this challenge for another generation," Obama said.
Balancing the budget or producing surpluses of the kind from 1998 through 2001 is now seen as all but impossible. Instead, many policymakers are for a secondary goal of stabilizing the national debt in relation to the size of the economy. That generally requires keeping the deficit to 3 percent of gross domestic product. Just three years ago, the deficit stood at 1.2 percent of GDP. This year it's 10.6 percent.
Obama dropped his plan into a poisonous election-year atmosphere. Republicans in Congress immediately labeled it as a toxic mix of higher taxes, big spending and debt, saying it would still produce deficits totaling $8.5 trillion over the coming decade.
Obama inherited a difficult deficit situation when taking office amid a severe recession and financial crisis that made tax revenues plummet and caused unemployment benefits and food stamp costs to spike.
"When I first walked through the door, the deficit stood at $1.3 trillion," Obama said, citing the estimates that greeted him a year ago.
Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, top Republican on the Budget Committee, acknowledged that Obama inherited a mess but said he's gone overboard with spending on pet Democratic programs.
"You can't blame everything on the past," Ryan said.
Obama now mostly owns the deficit as a political issue after passing last year's $862 billion economic stimulus bill and other major spending legislation that's earned mixed reviews with the public.
Obama would extend most of President George W. Bush's tax cuts, as they apply to middle-income earners. Married couples making more than $250,000 and individuals making more than $200,000 would see their marginal tax rates rise to as much as 39.6 percent and also lose some of the benefits they take on itemized deductions like charitable gifts and mortgage interest.
Associated Press writers Martin Crutsinger, Stephen Ohlemacher and Jennifer Loven contributed to this report.
(This version CORRECTS figure to $200 billion from $200 million.)
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