Ask Reddit: Has anyone on Reddit been to prison? If so, what was it like? What had you been convicted of? (self.AskReddit)
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grey666 1703 points 6 days ago[+] (826 children)
grey666 1703 points 6 days ago[-]
5 and half months federal time for my ex-gf using my cell phone to make a drug deal. Key West was bad - real bad. Bunch of black dudes sitting around talking about how many people they had raped and killed.
Miami was the best, great food and chicks standing outside every night showing us their tits. The councilor never came... so no phone calls for me. Bank robbers and drug dealers in Miami - and every single one of them would give you the shirt off their back.
Atlanta was the worst... no matress, no pillow, no cup... four guys in a cell, sleeping on the cold concrete and 12 TB tests. A small box of cereal and a milk for breakfast, crackers for lunch, and I couldn't figure out what dinner was. I didn't eat it. Guys yelling and screaming all night... nobody goes to the infirmary at night in Atlanta, no matter what the problem is.
Then I had a 16 hour diesel shuffle flight from Atlanta to Oklahoma City by way of New York. No food, no drink, feet and hands shackled to the chair the entire time. No restroom breaks, if you had to piss they made you piss in your pants and then sit in it for 12 hours. The guy beside me wasn't happy about that. The Marshals would hit people on the collar bone with a flashlight for talking. One guy started yelling and screaming - they took him off in New Jersey and drug him across the run-way by his ankle shackles.
Oklahoma City - had to trade my breakfast for a cigarette every day. Food was good, otherwise and we had a basketball court for 30 minutes every day.
Denver sucked bad. Real bad. Some crazy dude walking around naked every day with soars and puss all over his body. 60% of the inmates only spoke spanish. Crips and bloods... those cats fight hard. Three guys with positive TB tests were walking around for three weeks before they took em out. Had to trade food for everything - a toothbrush costs you your chicken, shampoo costs three chicken pieces. Shower shoes cost breakfast for a week.
If you don't give the laundry guys your chicken, they die your towel, underwear and jumpsuit pink which is a flag for everyone to beat the shit out of you.
When they have something like ribs... half the guys go through the line three times and take the food to their cells, so 2/3 of the inmates don't get to eat. The minimum security guys take the dessert half of the time, and they are too lazy to ever bring soup or anything like that.
There is no protective custody anymore - they put you in a small cell with two or three other guys - I hear they are the crazy ones.
I was in there with several cold-blooded murderers. If you rat on someone they send notes through the legal library to the other areas and you get jacked. Some of the guys in there are doing life, and they just don't give a fuck.
The law library was especially nice... all the pages are gone for all the major crimes. You have to pay for everything.
They give you 12 cents per hour for working, and you can only work four hours a day.
If your attorney's number is not registered, you can only call him or her through the councilor, who comes in once or twice a week for two hours. The line is long, and unless your in the first ten, you don't get phone calls.
You can't call anyone who is not on your phone list, and you can't leave messages on answering machines.
If you write a letter and the envelope isn't just perfect, they hold it for a month before giving it back to you.
It took 45 days for them to put money on my account for commissary. Then another two weeks to actually get commissary.
I didn't get a phone call or commissary for three and a half months.
Out of 60,000 pages in my discovery, they gave me 13 pages. I had to trade my chicken to other guys who were also on my case so that I could read their discovery.
I didn't find out what the exact charges were against me until my bond hearing four months into it. They called my brother from the court room to ask if I could stay with him and he said "yea, for awhile...", so they denied my PR bond and took me back for another month and a half.
I had to file a motion with the court to get my discovery from my public defender. All the guys in there bitch about their court appointed attorneys non-stop. They just don't give a crap anymore. They only file motions because they get paid for every motion they file. Most of them won't even know what the charges are against you half of the time. They lie constantly. They don't do anything you ask them to do, they just ignore you. They get $1500 for every court appearance, so you get to sit through 20 wiretap hearings so all the attorneys can line their pockets - nothing gets done in the wiretap hearings. It's just a bunch of lawyers sitting around collecting their government handouts.
I lost everything... my home, all my personal stuff, my photo albums, my software, my computers.
They auctioned my car after 30 days, with my notebook and my DVD's in the car. I never got any of it back.
If you use your cell phone memory all the time, you won't remember anyone's phone number - and they have no phone books, you can't call information. You have to trade your food to get someone else to call their people to have them get the number for you - which is against BOP policy, if you get caught, it's 30 days lockup.
If you can't remember someone's address... or phone number, your completely cut-off from the outside world - except for your lame assed attorney, who doesn't give a shit about anything but the money.
I fired my public defender, filed motions to withdraw all his motions, learned the criminal justice system, withdrew my plea of guilty, withdrew my plea bargain, and set the case for trial - at which point the federal prosecutor filed a motion giving me time served w/ three years probation, which was a lot better than the 3.5 years in prison that my public defender had negotiated. It took me three and a half years.
Six years of probation, and now days if you get busted for drugs - you can't drink alcohol either. It's a condition of your bond... so that when you piss dirty for alcohol they can send you back to prison anytime they want to.
Out of 60,000 pages of discovery... thirty pages actually applied to my aspect of the case - most of which were criminal reports on my ex-gf and the two guys she had met one time to do a drug deal. She got off scott free for her testimony about the dude she delivered drugs for. She spent six days in jail total for delivering 1 kilo of cocaine exactly 1 mile down the street.
The evidence against me was pen registers of my old cell phone calling one of the guys, and my ex-gf's statement that I arranged the deal. That was it... no wiretaps, no witnesses, no nothing.
They had blanket wiretap authority from the attorney general. They traced every single phone call to the main drug guys. Anyone that called them was indicted regardless of the circumstances. Some guys were in there over a year because their girlfriends used their cell phones to call their girlfriends - who were using the cell phones of the main dudes. The main dudes had ten cell phones each.
Prison is bad... you don't want to go to prison these days. The government is all jacked up - they just don't care, none of them give a crap. They will throw your drivers license in the garbage can and laugh in your face... when you get out, you'll be walking to the half-way house in your shower shoes, a t-shirt, and a pair of canvas cut-off shorts. They don't care if it's snowing, and you only have four hours to get to the half-way house or you go back to prison.
Then you have two weeks to get a job, or you go back to prison - but now you have no ID. They count every two hours - all night long with flashlights in your face. Wherever you go, you have to call the half-way house when you get there, and when you leave.
The Feds will march through the office where you work two and three at a time. They'll question your co-workers, the managers and the owner of the company. You have to give them copies of every paycheck and you have to log your time for the probation department - plus two or three piss tests every week - across town. Your setup to fail in every possible way imaginable - so you can go back to prison.
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feckineejit 2 points 5 days ago[+] (2 children)
feckineejit 2 points 5 days ago[-]
I don't think you can get convicted of "your GF using your phone for a drug deal" anyway.
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bunnies501 1 point 4 days ago[+] (0 children)
bunnies501 1 point 4 days ago[-]
If they can convict you by any means...even if you're innocent to the ends of the earth you will still go to jail.
If I do remember correctly...if you even associate with a drug user and they name your name in court in return for a plea deal you can go to jail regardless of maintaining a drug free life. guilty by association. literally.
think of all those innocent people that went to jail and some X amount of years later when it's certainly way too late for an apology they are freed by DNA testing.
the court system is corrupted, we all know it. they'll sit there and interrogate you till you confess to something you didn't do just by psychologically messing with you. they'll tell you they have proof and evidence against you (complete bs) just to get you to say anything so they can use it against you. that's why words alone are dangerous.
even if you're proven innocent in the end, you're still pretty much ruined for life too.
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markbowman 2 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
markbowman 2 points 5 days ago[-]
Never say never. This country holds people indefinitely on secret evidence you aren't allowed to see. Bad charge, bad evidence, bad DA, bad Judge, anyone of those can really hose you regardless of guilt.
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mg0314a 607 points 6 days ago[+] (188 children)
mg0314a 607 points 6 days ago[-]
I'm so sorry.
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Scarker 168 points 6 days ago* [+] (158 children)
Scarker 168 points 6 days ago* [-]
That's the most depressing thing I've read in a while, but sure as hell put a shackle on my brain to stay away from jail no matter what. That was quite eye-opening, didn't think it was that bad at all.
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sokercap 201 points 6 days ago[+] (135 children)
sokercap 201 points 6 days ago[-]
You must have missed the part of this where it said he was thrown in jail because his ex-gf used his phone. How do you plan on staying away from prison when something out of your control happens and the justice system is too broken to care?
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grey666 121 points 6 days ago* [+] (12 children)
grey666 121 points 6 days ago* [-]
That's it exactly... I had no idea what had happened. I didn't even know she had taken my cell phone. I didn't find out she was using my cell phone until I got the discovery from my attorney - about 2 years into the proceedings. That's when I finally got to see the pen registers... and I saw my old cell phone number, and then I realized what had happened.
I had moved to Florida before any of this happened and it was my old Colorado cell phone... she had come to visit for two weeks - I took her sailing. She grabbed the cell phone and took it back to Colorado with her.
At my extradition hearing, the federal agent said pen registers... but I had no idea what he was talking about. I never called anybody in Colorado on my cell phone, aside from my brother and the girl. I got a Florida cell phone the day after I moved to the Keys, and I got the numbers out of my old phone... and put it away.
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styless 30 points 6 days ago[+] (9 children)
styless 30 points 6 days ago[-]
So you were falsely imprisoned and they auctioned away your stuff. And you did not receive any compensation for that?
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grey666 48 points 6 days ago[+] (8 children)
grey666 48 points 6 days ago[-]
Right... they auctioned the car after 30 days, along with all my stuff in the car.
I still owed $3k on the sailboat, and the owner sold it, along with all my property that was on the boat, plus the $20k I had put into the boat all of which came from the sale of my house. I had paid him $27k, he sold the boat for $17k cash...
The sheriff wouldn't retrieve my property unless I went to Florida in person and filed a complaint. I wasn't allowed to leave Colorado and didn't have the money anyway.
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bonerjones 3 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
bonerjones 3 points 5 days ago[-]
Hearing about something like that happening to someone, and seeing how easily it could happen to me makes my mind go places I don't like. I mean, I really feel a person should be able to defend themself against such treatment but the only option I see for doing that is very ugly and risky itself.
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supakual 4 points 5 days ago[+] (6 children)
supakual 4 points 5 days ago[-]
How were you earning a living that you could afford to spend $27k on a sail boat and put $20k into it?
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toba 12 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
toba 12 points 5 days ago[-]
This was before he got royally fucked for no reason.
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nmcyall 4 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
nmcyall 4 points 5 days ago[-]
His girlfriend was a big drug dealer.
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commentsforreddit 4 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
commentsforreddit 4 points 5 days ago[-]
$27k on a hobby really isn't all that much. If you have a decent job and you can afford to, spending $27k on a hobby...
I just can't get round to the fact that the owner, who only needed $3k more, gets to keep $14k when he's paid in full. How is that justice in any way?
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wolfzero 2 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
wolfzero 2 points 5 days ago[-]
He said he sold his house ($20k) leaving $7k from payments to the owner...pretty reasonable for a live-in sailboat.
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nmcyall 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
nmcyall 1 point 5 days ago[-]
What was the charge though? you didn't get possesion or sale right
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lofi76 38 points 6 days ago[+] (38 children)
lofi76 38 points 6 days ago[-]
that's the problem with privatizing institutions that should have a human side, and turning them into for-profit institutions. When prisons and medical facilities profit from criminals and sick people, we are FUCKED. Welcome to today.
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sonofabush 15 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
sonofabush 15 points 5 days ago[-]
I never knew that the prisons are privatized in the USOFA. That's shit. Major shit.
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puffybaba 20 points 6 days ago* [+] (23 children)
puffybaba 20 points 6 days ago* [-]
This is why libertarians are complete fucktards. Look at the government industries that have been privatized, and you can see why privatizing government services is a bad idea.
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sofiseymor 4 points 5 days ago[+] (2 children)
sofiseymor 4 points 5 days ago[-]
If our USA was libertarian this dude wouldn't be in jail for drugs, drugs would be legal.
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puffybaba 2 points 5 days ago[+] (1 child)
puffybaba 2 points 5 days ago[-]
A salient point, and one well worth considering...
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Notmyrealname 1 point 4 days ago[+] (0 children)
Notmyrealname 1 point 4 days ago[-]
Yeah, but the prisons still wouldn't be, and you gotta fill the prisons or they go out of business. They'd find something on the guy.
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ChimpWithACar 6 points 5 days ago[+] (9 children)
ChimpWithACar 6 points 5 days ago[-]
The government doesn't give a shit, either. Pull your head out of your ass.
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jjdmol 0 points 5 days ago[+] (4 children)
jjdmol 0 points 5 days ago[-]
That's because the people don't give (enough of) a shit. The government can be changed by voting.
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puffybaba 1 point 3 days ago[+] (0 children)
puffybaba 1 point 3 days ago[-]
The system of elections is kind of privatized -- the candidate or issue with the most money usually has the best chance of winning. Campaigns are financed by private funds, rather than public ones. And the medium of political campaigns is largely the (private) corporate media. Until that's fixed, I don't think we can ever expect a real democracy in America.
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commentsforreddit 20 points 5 days ago[+] (1 child)
commentsforreddit 20 points 5 days ago[-]
The real problem, the -real- problem, is that in christian America, where those who have a hard on for god, nobody is interested in humane treatment of their fellow man. The very last thing you should get is something for nothing [the government does right by people because that's the way it should be, not because they have to] and the guilty have to pay forever and a day for what they did or are perceived to have done wrong. There is no real rehabilitation, there is only endless, pointless persecution because the underlying mentality of the country is mean-spirited, self-centered and callous.
The US as a nation is over. There is no interest in justice. People who have bankrupted the nation and thrown the world in turmoil get bailout after bailout after bailout and they are held to -zero accountability-. Whatever they do is just fine, they should not worry about anything at all. -But- if you are -in any way-, even remotely connected to a drug crime, your life is destroyed and comprehensively too.
And this is as it should be. If the American people can not be bothered to insist on qualified and competent government, on an earnest police force instead of the corruption that now goes by that name, if they really cannot be bothered to be compassionate because their own lives are nothing but a rat race on the way to the grave, then they get exactly what they deserve.
Why anyone who doesn't have millions of dollars to buy themselves out of any pit of despair would even consider the US to be the land of the free and the "country everybody wants to go to" is frankly beyond me. The Norwegians have refused to hand over an American prisoner because they told the US government the US justice system does not meet their standard for humane treatment of people. The US is broken and there are not enough people who care to fix it.
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puffybaba 1 point 3 days ago[+] (0 children)
puffybaba 1 point 3 days ago[-]
Sometimes I wish I could have been a Norwegian. Especially when I read about their regard for human rights.
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captainhaddock 2 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
captainhaddock 2 points 5 days ago[-]
Good luck with that theory.
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pointman 6 points 6 days ago[+] (2 children)
pointman 6 points 6 days ago[-]
Are the prosecutors privatized? People are fucktards no matter the authority. Always have been, always will be. And quite frankly you are fucktard if you can't see that.
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puffybaba 1 point 3 days ago* [+] (1 child)
puffybaba 1 point 3 days ago* [-]
What (if anything) do you think should be done about the fucktardedness of people?
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pointman 1 point 3 days ago[+] (0 children)
pointman 1 point 3 days ago[-]
Design a governmental and economic system that accepts it as reality and reduces the collateral damage on innocent people when someone screws up. Distribute and de-centralize power as much as reasonable in public and private institutions.
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ryanh29 3 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
ryanh29 3 points 5 days ago[-]
Being privatized necessarily entails not getting 100% of your revenue from the State.
Failure to understand basic economics, and that government isn't anything more than a very successful criminal organization, is why libertarians are the only ones that don't have their heads directly up their asses.
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ryanh29 6 points 5 days ago[+] (5 children)
ryanh29 6 points 5 days ago[-]
Prisons aren't privatized in any meaningful sense of the word. They're just subcontracted government entities. "Privatized" requires not getting 100% of your money from the State. The only private part about it is where the profits go.
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penguinv 5 points 5 days ago[+] (3 children)
penguinv 5 points 5 days ago[-]
And yet Bush (spit) is lauded for privatizing (name many things).
I agree with you. Think Blackwater.
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ryanh29 1 point 4 days ago[+] (2 children)
ryanh29 1 point 4 days ago[-]
Exactly. Blackwater is a branch of the US military. The only difference is that some dude and his shareholders get paid along with the soldiers.
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dextroz 1 point 4 days ago[+] (1 child)
dextroz 1 point 4 days ago[-]
And TSA...
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ryanh29 3 points 4 days ago[+] (0 children)
ryanh29 3 points 4 days ago[-]
Please don't get me started on them. I'll be up all night typing out a 150,000 word rant.
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pointman 3 points 6 days ago[+] (5 children)
pointman 3 points 6 days ago[-]
Are the public defenders privatized?
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jedi_aka 5 points 5 days ago[+] (1 child)
jedi_aka 5 points 5 days ago[-]
Wow, that is wrong. But You do know you can file for human right abuses at the UN right.
I don't even think captured enemies under the Geneva convention can be treated that bad.
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toba 3 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
toba 3 points 5 days ago[-]
Can you, if you don't know the number you need to call? How could he find this out, or have any idea who to call?
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beeUnit 2 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
beeUnit 2 points 5 days ago[-]
boyfriends wont do that to you... and I just happen to be single.
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pepparkaka 33 points 6 days ago[+] (3 children)
pepparkaka 33 points 6 days ago[-]
Staying out of jail "no matter what" means more dead cops.
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eroverton 24 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
eroverton 24 points 6 days ago[-]
Honestly, I think the above story was enough incentive. No need to ice the cake.
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bonerjones 2 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
bonerjones 2 points 5 days ago[-]
This is what I was implying in a previous post. There really seems to be no other option, and I think most of us would go to such extremes (and beyond) to avoid what the OP described. That is fucking inhuman and I'd kill & risk dying to avoid that if I'm honest.
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theinternet 21 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
theinternet 21 points 6 days ago[-]
run.
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BrianBoyko 16 points 6 days ago[+] (10 children)
BrianBoyko 16 points 6 days ago[-]
This is why I don't date anymore.
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qquicksilver 124 points 6 days ago[+] (7 children)
qquicksilver 124 points 6 days ago[-]
ummmm... yeah. this is why I dont date anymore either. It has nothing to do with me being a geek or fat. It's this.
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msdesireeg 8 points 6 days ago* [+] (0 children)
msdesireeg 8 points 6 days ago* [-]
Well, the fact that you're a fat geek has something to do with why I'm not dating, but that is pretty fucked up, what that girl did, and it's certainly worth avoiding.
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BrianBoyko 7 points 6 days ago[+] (5 children)
BrianBoyko 7 points 6 days ago[-]
Dude, geeky fat guys can still get dates.
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NakedTonyDanza 5 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
NakedTonyDanza 5 points 6 days ago[-]
If they're geeky fat guys with charm, self confidence, or money.
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markelliott 8 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
markelliott 8 points 6 days ago[-]
yeah, this is why I don't date stupid coked out sluts anymore.
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cbergeron 4 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
cbergeron 4 points 5 days ago[-]
this is why I don't cook stupid date sluts anymore.
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edwinj85 10 points 6 days ago[+] (4 children)
edwinj85 10 points 6 days ago[-]
Refuse to live in America? It's not a safe country anymore.
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lofi76 18 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
lofi76 18 points 6 days ago[-]
I think the difference now, is that what has always happened to minorities now happens to white people. Now, the shared perspective of unjust treatment by our public servants is seen for what it is: a taxpayer-funded scam on taxpayers by private institutions owned by Dick Cheney and others.
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edwinj85 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
edwinj85 1 point 5 days ago[-]
Yeah, but as always there is fuck all you can do about it other than take all your money and run, which I suggest everybody does.
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Query3 2 points 6 days ago* [+] (1 child)
Query3 2 points 6 days ago* [-]
Norway is probably a good bet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGTzbj3fRSw#t=5m26s
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edwinj85 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
edwinj85 1 point 5 days ago[-]
Yay!
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Lambeau 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
Lambeau 1 point 5 days ago[-]
Agreed. Before that I thought jail was just about DIY tattoos and getting huge muscles... Boy was I wrong.
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redsonia7 84 points 6 days ago* [+] (16 children)
redsonia7 84 points 6 days ago* [-]
It's particularly disheartening to hear that the public defenders don't give a crap. I was an unpaid law clerk for the Orleans Public Defender, a small office of 30 to 40 attorneys working with probably the largest case load per person in the country (New Orleans has the highest incarceration rate per capita in the state of Louisiana, Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate per capita in the US, and the US has the highest incarceration rate per capita in the world...which makes New Orleans the city with the highest incarceration rate in the world). I always got the impression that the attorneys were busting their asses for their clients, and I certainly busted my ass while clerking there. The State doesn't give a shit about them and they get very little in the way of pay or resources, which makes it very hard to do their job. The Orleans Public Defender is suffering a budget crisis now, which means that some people just aren't going to get the adequate representation they are due because the office can't afford to hire enough attorneys. I'm taking the bar in February and hope to be working with them as an attorney, but it's the most ball-busting job in the world, and it sucks your soul out of you when you see the prisons filling up day after day with non-violent drug offenders and for "crimes against nature" offenses such as solicitation. It's bullshit, and public defenders in this country don't get the resources they need to provide the Constitutional guarantee of a defense attorney.
Furthermore, too much emphasis is placed on punishment rather than rehabilitation, simply because the prison system is a money-making racket.
EDIT: typo
EDIT: should have said "incarceration rate per 100,000 people"
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Massena 37 points 6 days ago* [+] (6 children)
Massena 37 points 6 days ago* [-]
New Orleans has the highest incarceration rate per capita in the state of Louisiana, Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate per capita in the US, and the US has the highest incarceration rate per capita in the world...which makes New Orleans the city with the highest incarceration rate in the world
Technically, there might be a country with a lower incarceration per capita but whose incarceration rate is concentrated in one town.
Upmodded for busting ass for other people but secretly hated for faulty logic.
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countingspoons 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
countingspoons 1 point 5 days ago[-]
Wow. My hat's off to you for doing a very important, thankless job. I love New Orleans but the place scares me too. Its such a great city with so much more culture than hardly anywhere else in the US, but you pointed it out well...I don't know which is scarier...the crime rate on the streets, or the justice system working behind it.
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toastyfries2 19 points 6 days ago[+] (5 children)
toastyfries2 19 points 6 days ago[-]
Thanks for your tough work. Public defenders are an important part of our legal system, and it would be nice if they had the proper resources.
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cuspid 18 points 6 days ago[+] (4 children)
cuspid 18 points 6 days ago[-]
Public defenders usually care a lot about their clients, that's why they do it for such crappy pay compared to what they'd be making privately. I think people should be careful about basing their opinions on public defenders off of the guy who was in prison.
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wonkifier 9 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
wonkifier 9 points 6 days ago[-]
Ditto that. If you asked my brother about his first n-1 public defenders, and they were all complete and total crap, bought into the system just to persecute him.
I had met a couple of them, and they were doing a damn fine job with what my brother was giving them to work with.
After getting out of that n-1th span in prison, something finally clicked and I think he grew a brain. That last defender was, to him, the best person on earth. But was really no more or less dedicated from the others.
I'm sure there are bad ones out there, and I certainly don't want to have to ever take advantaged of their services... but there are many good ones as well.
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subzerogts 1 point 5 days ago* [+] (0 children)
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We start exporting this 'way of life' to other countries and peoples, both directly and indirectly (by putting up governments who we train to carry on the behavior), and then we wonder why people would dare stage insurgencies against us or our propped up proxies.
A lot of that had eerie parallels to the horror stories of people wrongly caught up in the "war on terror". This confirms what I had always believed, the War on Terror is just an escalation of the War on Drugs, like an international version of it. Neither are for sincere purposes at all, only to make money. It's like the WoD was a prototype for the WoT.
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Garbagio 23 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
Garbagio 23 points 6 days ago[-]
No matter what? Then the indoctrination is complete.
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Lambeau 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
Lambeau 1 point 5 days ago[-]
You should have just become someone's bitch. I know, I know-- it sounds terrible, but it's completely worth it.
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cezar 2 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
cezar 2 points 5 days ago[-]
Your story really makes me want to pack up and move to a more civilized country.
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kcates6985 135 points 6 days ago[+] (127 children)
kcates6985 135 points 6 days ago[-]
Welcome to the prison industrial complex, where they develop torture techniques (Abu Ghraib scandal? You could see that in any number of prisons in the US) and they'll make money off your ass too. That's why we need to abolish the prison system.
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Zootex 130 points 6 days ago[+] (110 children)
Zootex 130 points 6 days ago[-]
I think abolish isn't the correct word, drastically rectify is more suited, in my opinion, not everyone in prison is just petty criminals, we're talking about people who consciously destroy others lives here.
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kcates6985 96 points 6 days ago* [+] (105 children)
kcates6985 96 points 6 days ago* [-]
No, I meant to say abolish. I respect your difference of opinion, but I believe that the prison system today needs to be abolished. I said nothing about letting murderers run about on the streets. I said that the prison system needs to be abolished. You seem to be conflating lawlessness with abolition of a system of privately owned dungeons and slave camps (12 cents an hour? Just call it state sanctioned slavery, that's what it is). And while I do think also that the number of people being punished for crimes needs to be drastically reduced (our friend commenting above shows us that), I said nothing about having no system to reduce crime and protect people from criminals.
What you have to realize is that the prison industrial complex is not about reducing crime or protecting people from criminals. It is about PRODUCING crime and PRODUCING criminals.
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Zootex 58 points 6 days ago* [+] (10 children)
Zootex 58 points 6 days ago* [-]
That is why I say rectify, because I believe the basic foundation and ideology of taking a human who has committed a serious crime out of society is right, I'm a very liberal person but lines need to be drawn.
I am far from blind enough to think the system as it is works, but the basic foundation of the prison system is right, thus why I say rectify, drastically rectify would perhaps be more to the point - drastically rectify though, that statement, is like an onion, you could peel back the layers for days to come, it's just my opinion in a nutshell.
Apart from what I just said, in defense of my beliefs, I want to add that I'm not conflating lawlessness with abolition of the system.
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cydwatts 33 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
cydwatts 33 points 6 days ago[-]
There has never been a prison system, at least in the US, that has done anything OTHER than create and exacerbate criminality.
Timothy Leary had very successful experiments wherein he reformed criminals, but he was ignored....
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relic2279 22 points 6 days ago[+] (81 children)
relic2279 22 points 6 days ago[-]
I agree with Zootex. You state you wanted to abolish the prison system and failed to provide an alternative. That means no prison/jail/system/institution.
How would you suggest we punish our criminals? As you said, you don't want murderers running around, what do you plan to do with them, ship them off to Antarctica? If they are kept anywhere in the US against their will, that in itself is a form of incarceration or "prison".
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kcates6985 81 points 6 days ago[+] (34 children)
kcates6985 81 points 6 days ago[-]
Again, you're confusing "incarceration" with the prison system. As I said in my post above, I am not interested in abolishing incarceration, though I am interested in drastically reducing it. On the flip side, I am most definitely interested in abolishing the prison SYSTEM. The prison SYSTEM, which is a (mostly) privately owned collection of slave camps, is not incarceration, which is a single practice we typically associate with prisons.
To give you an idea of the leap you're making when you assume that a call to abolish the prison SYSTEM means just letting everyone free... imagine that I suggested that sweatshops are inhumane, and should be abolished. Your response, if we take the above as a model, would be "omg wtf now there will be no more clothes and everyone will be naked and freeze to death!!!!111" As if, somehow, the systematic implementation of sweatshop labor were the only means by which clothing has ever been produced or will ever be produced. Similarly, you seem to think that private ownership of prisons and the torture and management tactics that come with them (e.g. throwing away a prisoner's personal effects, so that he can't get a job and will immediately return to prison) is the only way it's ever been and the only way it will ever be, and if we abolish that system then OMG WTF MURDERERS WILL BE RUNNING AROUND IN THE STREETS KILLING EVERYBODY.
The prison system, or more usually "the prison-industrial complex" has a specific, traceable history in the United States and in the rest of the world. Scholars like Michele Foucault and Angela Y. Davis have written extensively about various formations of "prisons" and (in the case of Davis) about the need to abolish the prison industrial complex. Again, and I want to reiterate this since apparently you've missed it twice now, incarceration is not "prison." Incarceration is a practice, prison is ONE place where that practice happens, and the prison industrial complex or the prison SYSTEM is the system that organizes and directs that practice, usually toward black and brown bodies and poor whites. Racial profiling, for example, is one aspect of the modern prison system, in that it selects certain bodies (based on race or color) for heightened scrutiny, and therefore for heightened arrest and incarceration. If I call to abolish racial profiling, are you going to make the leap to assume that I want to abolish all police? (although really, that's not too far from what I do want).
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Ein2015 2 points 4 days ago[+] (1 child)
Ein2015 2 points 4 days ago[-]
Do you (or did you), by any chance, do CX debate or any debate in college?
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kcates6985 1 point 4 days ago[+] (0 children)
kcates6985 1 point 4 days ago[-]
Nope, I didn't. Sounds like fun tho ;-)
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symbioticintheory 21 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
symbioticintheory 21 points 6 days ago[-]
I saw Angela Davis speak awhile back about abolition of the prison system but she never made the differentiation you just did (well, she didnt make it in her speech anyway) between the prison system and incarceration. Thanks dor helping clarify that for me. I walked away from her speech kind of feeling like I only saw half of it. What you said makes alot of sense and I agree.
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kcates6985 12 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
kcates6985 12 points 6 days ago[-]
Davis might well like to see all forms of incarceration abolished as well. I believe that simply ending the production of profit through prisons would itself remove about 90% of all incarcerations (since they would no longer be profitable, they would no longer be frivolously pursued). From there, I think incarceration has a place alongside other forms of social discipline (as problematic as that concept is in the first place)... but I don't forsee a world where all forms of incarceration could ever be 100% abolished, as perhaps Davis might. She is certainly far more visionary and far more accomplished than I could ever hope to be. For the moment, I'll have to settle for arguing with people on reddit :-) and the limitations of my own imagining of what a more free or just world would look like.
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waxpoet 10 points 6 days ago[+] (2 children)
waxpoet 10 points 6 days ago[-]
all you had to do was emphasize the word SYSTEM in your original post a bit more. what a waste of an intelligent conversation between two/three people and a lot of interested readers over semantics.
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ElectricSol 8 points 6 days ago* [+] (3 children)
ElectricSol 8 points 6 days ago* [-]
I don't know who you are, but you have written one of the most insightful and truth filled comments I've ever read on reddit, thanks. I'd like to exchange ideas with you sometime.
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kcates6985 4 points 6 days ago[+] (2 children)
kcates6985 4 points 6 days ago[-]
mind sex
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silas0069 4 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
silas0069 4 points 6 days ago[-]
kcates6985 4 prezident ;)
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grey666 6 points 6 days ago* [+] (3 children)
grey666 6 points 6 days ago* [-]
I say we take the millions and millions of dollars being spent on the war against drugs and use that money to hire counselors for these people. We use part of the money to hire people in trouble to build cheap housing for the homeless and to run soup kitchens, sponsored by the federal government, used to feed the hungry.
We cross train the existing law enforcement agents to become counselors - to teach people about moderation and responsibility, and the effects of drugs, or too many drugs.
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UncleOxidant 42 points 6 days ago* [+] (6 children)
UncleOxidant 42 points 6 days ago* [-]
Private companies run many of the prisons now and, surprise, surprise, they lobby for tougher sentencing laws since they get money for every inmate. Talk about conflict of interst...
And, of course, we need to abolish the drug war - end drug prohibition. I was on a jury about 7 years ago where a guy was up for "constructive possession" of cocaine. His crime? Walking through a field with his buddy who did have a very small amount of cocaine on him at the time (oh, and being Hispanic, didn't help him). "Constructive Possession" means that even if the stuff wasn't in your possession, you could have had access to it since your friend had it on his person. Only myself and one other juror voted "Not guilty" - the others felt duty bound to follow the judges instructions. And so a man who was a productive member of society with a concrete contracting business and a wife and kids had his life ruined... And I'd guess that the wife & kids probably had to go on some kind of public assistance after that. Prior to that, I was one of those Republican Conservatives - but being on that trial and seeing the injustice done to that man and his family... well, I haven't voted Republican since.
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Genesee 18 points 6 days ago[+] (4 children)
Genesee 18 points 6 days ago[-]
He was convicted with a non-unanimous jury vote?
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UncleOxidant 28 points 6 days ago* [+] (3 children)
UncleOxidant 28 points 6 days ago* [-]
Yep. The reason why? Because in Oregon a couple of years before that there was a measure on the ballot that would allow for conviction if 10 of the 12 jurors voted for conviction. And it passed quite easily, unfortunately. Once they got to 10 it was a done deal. Like I said, only two of us held out. I was prepared to stay there for days if needed.
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nomoremermaids 18 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
nomoremermaids 18 points 6 days ago[-]
That's crap. I wish more people knew about jury nullification. Our criminal justice system is so broken. At least you held to your principles while serving.
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subzerogts 1 point 5 days ago[+] (1 child)
subzerogts 1 point 5 days ago[-]
How would you propose society responsibly implement incarceration? Detailed examples would be nice... I can't think outside of the box, all I've ever known were prisons.
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sylvie1 2 points 5 days ago[+] (1 child)
sylvie1 2 points 5 days ago[-]
Just one more question ... in reading all of the comments, I see you have the money for your toys ... the boat, etc. If you can afford expensive things like that, why couldn't you afford to pay for a decent lawyer? Usually public defenders are only allowed for people who can't afford their own lawyer.
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njharman 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
njharman 1 point 5 days ago[-]
Just guessing here, but maybe cause he bought all that stuff.
Just cause you have some property doesn't mean you have big piles of cash laying around.
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warhamma 2 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
warhamma 2 points 5 days ago[-]
its increbidle all the things you can trade for chicken.
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FlySwat 60 points 6 days ago[+] (23 children)
FlySwat 60 points 6 days ago[-]
Bullshit. Associate to a drug offense would get you 5 months in county, not a grand tour of 5 different federal pens.
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grey666 18 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
grey666 18 points 6 days ago[-]
Conspiracy to distribute a kilo of cocaine is 5 years... federal. I lived in the Florida Keys - the girl lived in Colorado, which is where she did the drug deal. She stole my cell phone during a two week visit when I took her sailing. She did the drug deal because some asshat at Budget Rent-A-Car stole her credit card during the very same visit and wiped out her bank account. She blamed me.
There were 23 people on the indictment, she was an "Un-indictable co-conspirator".
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ryanh29 3 points 5 days ago* [+] (0 children)
ryanh29 3 points 5 days ago* [-]
Actually, a conspiracy charge gets you significantly more time. Further, it opens you up to accomplice liability. Under this legal theory, you can be liable for any and all crimes committed in furtherance of the conspiracy (that's the harshest of the accomplice rules. Some jurisdictions use less severe, more sane ones).
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BentSlightly 28 points 6 days ago[+] (8 children)
BentSlightly 28 points 6 days ago[-]
I agree, he starts with "five months", and ends up in there for years. It didn't add up.
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tony-28 20 points 6 days ago[+] (3 children)
tony-28 20 points 6 days ago[-]
What gets to me is that he was shipped around to 5 different federal prisons. For what? A drug offense? I don't even think half of the convicted murderers get shipped around to 5 different prisons in a 3 year period. And serving 3 years for a drug offense that he wasn't witnessed even doing sounds a little far-fetched. The only allegation was made by the person caught with the drugs, so he's either in denial and did in fact have more involvement than he likes to admit or he done some really stupid shit in jail to increase his sentence ten-fold.
I believe he has went to jail, but suspect he decided to glam up his story. A lot.
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grey666 26 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
grey666 26 points 6 days ago[-]
Extradition from the Florida Keys - where I lived. The girl lived in Denver.
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ElephantRider 8 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
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I don't understand it either, 5 months goes to 3.5 years with 3 years probation, then the next paragraph starts with 6 years of probation?
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grey666 30 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
grey666 30 points 6 days ago[-]
5.5 months in prison, 3.5 years total to get a plea deal done - 3 years of that was on a PR Bond, and probation... the sentence was 3 more years of probation making it 6 total.
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CrunchyRoll 12 points 6 days ago[+] (5 children)
CrunchyRoll 12 points 6 days ago[-]
Yeah, I think so too. Unless this guy had warrants for a bunch of other stuff in those different states, there's no way he'd be travelling around that much for so long under custody.
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hb_alien 30 points 6 days ago[+] (4 children)
hb_alien 30 points 6 days ago[-]
It sounds like it was a federal drug case, read carefully morons. Feds fuck you, they have minimum sentencing guidelines and they can transfer you wherever they want in the fed prison system.
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Chev 6 points 5 days ago* [+] (0 children)
Chev 6 points 5 days ago* [-]
Fuck that. I majored in Criminal Justice in college and stories like yours, which are repeated for hundreds of thousands of people, are exactly why I refuse to work anywhere in that royally fucked up, ass backwards, shit hole system.
All that because of a 'war' on drugs that is a violation of our Constitution.
The system is fucked. The country is fucked.
Fuck every hard ass mother fucker who ever arrested someone for drugs.
Edit: added more F words.
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reddeb 46 points 6 days ago[+] (11 children)
reddeb 46 points 6 days ago[-]
An hour before reading this I called someone I knew that just got out and offered him a cash job doing some work I need done around my house.
His ex had a restraining order against him. She phoned him saying something was wrong with his son, to come over right away. He did. She called the police. 2.5 years later, here we are.
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drbold 30 points 6 days ago* [+] (5 children)
drbold 30 points 6 days ago* [-]
What kind of monstrous bitch would do something like that? I mean, I know people can be really fucked up, but it just BLOWS MY MIND that anyone could be that evil. And lets face it, that's what depriving someone of their freedom for 2 1/2 years by taking advantage of their good will is - EVIL.
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reddeb 12 points 6 days ago[+] (3 children)
reddeb 12 points 6 days ago[-]
And taking him away from his kids.
Who still live with mom, after getting to hear her cackle for a couple of years about what she did to dad.
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silas0069 6 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
silas0069 6 points 6 days ago[-]
I met this guy in prison who was on Electronic Surveillance (sry for spelling) at his GF. It's done by putting on a bracelet, wich signals to a station, connected to the phone line, much like featured on the simpsons..
The day his GF got really mad on him, she pulled the phone-connected device from the wall (and from the line), resulting in this guy being picked up and dragged to prison within 10 mins......
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Lemm1w1nkz 75 points 6 days ago[+] (46 children)
Lemm1w1nkz 75 points 6 days ago[-]
I just set the password protection on my cell phone.
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iwtfrc 52 points 6 days ago[+] (11 children)
iwtfrc 52 points 6 days ago[-]
Me too, and I don't even have a gf!
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phmfthacim 32 points 6 days ago[+] (10 children)
phmfthacim 32 points 6 days ago[-]
Me too, and I only know like four girls!
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SittingBull 39 points 6 days ago[+] (9 children)
SittingBull 39 points 6 days ago[-]
Me too, and I don't even have a cell phone!
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ninjaniah 45 points 6 days ago[+] (2 children)
ninjaniah 45 points 6 days ago[-]
Me too, and I'm a girl!
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SlimFastForYou 2 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
SlimFastForYou 2 points 5 days ago[-]
Me too, and I'm a coke dealer!
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johnfn 3 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
johnfn 3 points 6 days ago[-]
Better watch out, you might start ordering drug deals without realizing it.
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Dark-Star 8 points 6 days ago[+] (33 children)
Dark-Star 8 points 6 days ago[-]
I'm wondering how to rig a self-destruct on my computer's HDs. Preferably triggered by a cell phone call. If I'm ever locked up (which will probably by for being un-PC at the wrong time), I do NOT want all my private stuff left behind for some jackboot to sort through.
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GlueBoy 16 points 6 days ago[+] (18 children)
GlueBoy 16 points 6 days ago[-]
Truecrypt dude.
If you put a strong enough password with a strong enough cypher it will take longer to crack the encryption than it would to develop the technology to transfer your memories against your will and review them (barring the discovery of quantum computers).
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skeptic2525 1 point 5 days ago* [+] (0 children)
skeptic2525 1 point 5 days ago* [-]
Sadly, your story is pretty representative of our "criminal justice system". Even if you only do a weekend in county, you come away with a profound, sobering understanding of just how fucked up you get treated when incarcerated. Check your humanity at the door, 'cause you're nothing but a dog now, bitch. I'd do anything, kill even, to keep from ever being put in a cage again.
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Zootex 93 points 6 days ago[+] (2 children)
Zootex 93 points 6 days ago[-]
I have a lump in my throat and a tear in my eye, I guess I'm kind of emotionally vulnerable at the moment but what you said is horrible, for something allegedly so petty, I realize you're just one in a million but to hear it like this makes it realer for some obscure reason, I sincerely wish you the best for the future mate.
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forgotmyothapassword 35 points 6 days ago[+] (14 children)
forgotmyothapassword 35 points 6 days ago[-]
I had a guy working for me. 30 years old. went to jail at 25 for trafficing drugs. Nice kid but was on work release. He was with us for about a month, doing everything right. He had to ride a bike from his center to our job so he used a backpack to carry his belongings. Stopped in 7 - 11 to grab a pack of cigs, stepped out and was stopped by a cop for having the bag on. The cop asked why he looked familiar, he told the officer his story and the cop decided to drop him to the ground and arrest him for violation. Took him back to prison to finish his 11 months. 2 days before his whole family came into town to visit him for the first time in 5 years.
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Neoncow 22 points 6 days ago[+] (3 children)
Neoncow 22 points 6 days ago[-]
I don't understand why the cop stopped him for having a bag? Did I miss something?
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sirormadame 14 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
sirormadame 14 points 6 days ago[-]
backpack + store = shoplifting
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IOIOOIIOIO 9 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
IOIOOIIOIO 9 points 6 days ago[-]
Nope. You didn't miss anything.
Unless you believe in police spidey sense, there is no legitimate reason there to be understood.
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thespins 13 points 6 days ago[+] (5 children)
thespins 13 points 6 days ago[-]
apparently, never say anything if a cop says you look familiar.
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smpx 15 points 6 days ago[+] (3 children)
smpx 15 points 6 days ago[-]
actually, never say anything to or near a cop, period.
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Genesee 9 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
Genesee 9 points 6 days ago[-]
What was he violating?
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forgotmyothapassword 12 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
forgotmyothapassword 12 points 6 days ago[-]
when you are on work release you can only go from the center to the job and nothing else. He was in violation simply for being in 7 11. I will admit that was his own fault. Tough brake for grabbing a pack of cigs I guess.
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Paperweight 8 points 6 days ago* [+] (0 children)
Paperweight 8 points 6 days ago* [-]
Somebody needs to do a reformat and reinstall of your fucking government.
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bellabelial 46 points 6 days ago[+] (27 children)
bellabelial 46 points 6 days ago[-]
When life isn't going your way... just go.
This is a separate Hell, as isolated and lost as a dimension in pain. Find your way out. I don't know how hard it would be for you, but I hope you could find piece in another country. Maybe get a passport and come to the Netherlands as a political prisoner. Immigrate somewhere else, even illegally. We have a ton of refugees from America around the world. I wish you luck where you are. But I don't think the land of the free has anything for you. anymore.
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njharman 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
njharman 1 point 5 days ago[-]
Other countries won't let you enter if you have criminal history.
Or maybe it's just Canada which refused me entry for something minor(plea bargained charge down to misdemeanor) that happened 18years ago at the time. Weird thing is I've been to Canada before no problems. Maybe Canada is just being more strict in response to USA being dicks to Canadians about border crossings after 911.
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bellabelial 34 points 6 days ago[+] (23 children)
bellabelial 34 points 6 days ago[-]
WOW this got... unpopular.
America is impossible to live in well with a felony or any criminal record if you aren't rich as sin. Our system is designed to keep offenders from ever being "normal" people again. The minute I got a criminal record would be the minute I would leave, because that would also be the minute my country would throw me away.
Sometimes you stay to fight for change, and other times you just need to leave so you can change yourself.
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puskunk 13 points 6 days ago[+] (2 children)
puskunk 13 points 6 days ago[-]
As someone with a criminal record, I completely agree. It is hard to have a felony conviction and live a normal life.
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guisar 2 points 6 days ago* [+] (0 children)
guisar 2 points 6 days ago* [-]
How has this happened- that even US citizens are pissed off at the US and don't want to live here? Will it be very long before, for those who are able, we start seeing the emigration rate go up? I hope post Jan 20 things can start turn around but I'm afraid it's systemic.
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aphexairlines 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
aphexairlines 1 point 5 days ago[-]
"come to the netherlands" sounds too easy. Getting a visa to live and work in a rich country is an uphill battle.
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wwabc 52 points 6 days ago[+] (7 children)
wwabc 52 points 6 days ago[-]
why so many moves in 5.5 months? different security levels?
seems like a big expense to the government
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grey666 22 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
grey666 22 points 6 days ago[-]
Because the crime was in Colorado and I lived in the Florida Keys. Extradition sucks ass.
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njharman 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
njharman 1 point 5 days ago[-]
like a big expense to the government
Also big profit for corporation(s).
Understand that, and you will understand most the fuckedupness of the USA government.
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FlySwat 41 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
FlySwat 41 points 6 days ago[-]
Because its bullshit.
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yorian 58 points 6 days ago* [+] (46 children)
yorian 58 points 6 days ago* [-]
Dude, you should start a national outrage. This is unbelievable. Your system is fucked up. Makes me appreciate the system in my country.
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kingmaker 9 points 6 days ago[+] (37 children)
kingmaker 9 points 6 days ago[-]
which is where?
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grey666 12 points 6 days ago* [+] (2 children)
grey666 12 points 6 days ago* [-]
The really fucked up thing about all of this was that the guy who setup this whole drug network was an illegal alien. He got out of prison in California for distributing marijuanna... he never even reported to his parole officer. He left California - came to Colorado and setup this huge drug network that was operating in four or five states.
He was under daily surveillance by the Rocky Mountain Task Force - a special unit built to track down drug rings.
They literally surveiled his mother bringing the cocaine across the border... then watched his brothers drive it to Denver. There was probably 600 photos of him, his cars, his house, his friends... 60,000 pages of discovery, half of it was daily surveillance reports and photos. Probably 20% of it was wiretaps... motions for wiretaps on all the cell phones.
I wasn't in any of the photos btw. I wasn't on any wiretap. The only person in the case who claimed to know me was the girl.
By the time they got me back to Colorado, most of the dudes had been in prison for several months. I had no idea who they were. haha. The guy in the cell next to me, who didn't speak english - was the kingpin. I traded my food to him for reading his discovery... but I didn't even know he was on my case the first month I was there... I didn't know any of them. They were all in there.. 20 dudes. They were all on my indictment... haha.
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sfanetti 4 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
sfanetti 4 points 6 days ago[-]
The really messed up part about all this is that the 'offenses' were all just trying to buy/sell drugs - which are only illegal because the imbeciles in Congress feel they need to legislate morality.
I relative of mine molested my daughter for several years and even though my daughter explained in graphic detail what had happened, he still only got 6 months in minimum security.
The prison system in this country is completely mad.
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Jalisciense 15 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
Jalisciense 15 points 6 days ago[-]
Should have hired this guy!
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/1707/lawyerqi5.jpg
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silas0069 12 points 6 days ago* [+] (2 children)
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Im Belgian. I went to prison in belgium for selling weed, and I'm "happy" to report my experience was a lot better than yours. The belgian prison system is responsible for about 9500 prisoners, so i've spent two times two months in prison for being guilty (you won't hear this a lot :D). I did have the luck to be in a prison with +- 190 population.
In Belgium like everywhere else, in prison everyone is innocent, but the atmosphere is, given the small prisons, much quieter. To my knowledge no rapes, and only a few fights in 4 months of incarceration.
The probation i have to do is a different matter... I was convicted to serve a 12 month sentence, bu i'd served 4 months until they got their sentence ready, so i got the remaining 8 months of jail on probation for 5 years, and 3 years of probation on a € 4500 fine.
EDIT: The DA wanted me to pay back the total sum of weed I had moved, which came to around € 85000. Luckily, I was only convicted of paying € 1000, half of which was the proceedings against me.
This means i have to meet probation every month, but go to drugs therapy every week. I also have to report to the police any time they call me in.. But I also have to keep a job.. And an adress in case you guessed it - police or justice needs me.
I've done 3 years of my probation now, so if I'm not mistaken, I'll never have to pay the fine; I still got until 2 sep. 2010 of probation for the jailtime though.
All and all, i'm not really happy about it, but I guess I can say I was guilty and served my time for it. I'm so sorry you aren't, though i understand fully this will not in any way reimburse what has been stolen from you.
If you're at rock bottom, you can only go UP !!
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grey666 12 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
grey666 12 points 6 days ago[-]
Yea, what I did was avoid everyone. I deserted my friends... I never went anywhere except the grocery store and the laundromat. I didn't take any chances... no drinking, no nothing. I didn't drive unless it was absolutely necessary - I took the bus to my piss tests. And I finally made phase 5 probation... which was a visit every 3-4 months and two piss tests a year.
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howell1430 14 points 6 days ago[+] (4 children)
howell1430 14 points 6 days ago[-]
I just got off Fed paper about 2 months ago. I got a conspiracy case and pled to 6 years. I ended up with 3 years paper in the end. My crime? I was married to a man for about 6 months at the time, and he had his best friend come to town a few times and stay at our place. He was running checks, and because I knew he was doing it and I never told anyone I was found guilty of conspiracy to commit bank fraud.
Even though I never went to prison, I am so glad to done with the Feds. It changed my life in good ways and bad ways.
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HotPooper 19 points 6 days ago[+] (4 children)
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I thought the main reason to imprison criminals was to rehabilitate them and prepare them to re-enter society. It sounds like the current system makes every effort to do exactly the opposite.
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supercargo 19 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
supercargo 19 points 6 days ago[-]
Yeah, no. Rehabilitating prisoners is bad for repeat business for the prison industry.
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hb_alien 14 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
hb_alien 14 points 6 days ago[-]
Opposite to the extreme. There is no rehab.
There are occasions where guys are let out on the street immediately following a 5 month stint in solitary. Try sitting in your room for 5 months without leaving. You go insane, really insane. That's not someone who should be released on the streeet.
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cr4a 45 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
cr4a 45 points 6 days ago[-]
Fuck, man
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jaxspider 3 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
jaxspider 3 points 5 days ago[-]
The bitch you call your girlfriend needs to sleep in a shallow ditch somewhere.
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jakedakat 2 points 5 days ago[+] (1 child)
jakedakat 2 points 5 days ago[-]
I did 30 days in county jail when I was 21. I have to say it wasn't fun, but not nearly as bad as what you described. Both my cellmates were very respectful and kind. I managed to get a lot of reading done and get my ass kicked daily in chess. I would never want to go back though.
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rhammonsster 3 points 5 days ago* [+] (0 children)
rhammonsster 3 points 5 days ago* [-]
Big,huge difference between county jails and prisons, and I must admit? having spent aproximately 11 years in and out of both between 1986 to 2001 that I much preferred prison if choice was there. Speaking from only my experience? Prisons can vary in harshness. D.C.I (Dayton Corrrectional Institution, Dayton,Ohio) is like a country club. Le.C.I (Lebanon Correctional facility, Lebanon Ohio) is pure hell. I spent approximately 5 years of my life there, It's a maximum security state facility and I have to say? It's everything a Hollywould movie would have you picture prison being. BAD,BAD Bad!!!!!!!!!! Knifings,rapes, extortion, murder,etc. and that was sundays activities lol (sorry bout terrible grammar, only on second cup of coffee for morning. And also , for the record? No, I don't break many laws anymore, too damn old for that silliness!
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mg0314a 34 points 6 days ago[+] (28 children)
mg0314a 34 points 6 days ago[-]
can someone please explain to me why the minimum wage does not apply to prisoners?
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Benjaphar 100 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
Benjaphar 100 points 6 days ago[-]
Prisoners lose most of their rights. That's kind of the whole point. You don't want to be there.
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aenea 41 points 6 days ago[+] (24 children)
aenea 41 points 6 days ago[-]
There is a lot of money to be made off of prison labour.
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alllie 40 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
alllie 40 points 6 days ago[-]
After the civil war some plantation owners who had lost their slaves used prison labor and found it more profitable because they didn't have to buy an inmate and if one died or was killed they would be replaced at no cost. The abuses of prison labor are why it should be illegal.
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contrarian 6 points 6 days ago[+] (2 children)
contrarian 6 points 6 days ago[-]
Microsoft uses prison labor?
This explains so much.
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poco 3 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
poco 3 points 6 days ago[-]
As programmers?
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cestmoikarhu 4 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
cestmoikarhu 4 points 5 days ago[-]
Reiser?
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WallPhone 2 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
WallPhone 2 points 5 days ago[-]
Little known fact--Prisoners used to press license plates for work, now they press CDs.
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markitymark 4 points 6 days ago[+] (4 children)
markitymark 4 points 6 days ago[-]
keep you in their custody to be used as slave labor which profits Microsoft with lower production costs
I didn't realize there were that many programmers in prison...
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probablycorey 31 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
probablycorey 31 points 6 days ago[-]
13th amendment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
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SleazyJReezy 6 points 6 days ago[+] (6 children)
SleazyJReezy 6 points 6 days ago[-]
Are you writing a book on your experiences? You should be. Your story needs to be heard beyond reddit.
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grey666 15 points 6 days ago[+] (5 children)
grey666 15 points 6 days ago[-]
I probably should... it's just so un-believable. I can't believe it... I was in shock for three years, literally. I don't even remember those three years - I was living in a van, studying criminal justice, reading the discovery, making notes... I worked like six hours a day, and I studied the rest of the time.
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Enkaybee 5 points 6 days ago* [+] (1 child)
Enkaybee 5 points 6 days ago* [-]
I think that book would probably sell extremely well. There are plenty of people in this country who disagree with the prison system already. It might even spark reform. Go for it, you'll even make some money doing so.
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LittleWriterGirl 3 points 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
LittleWriterGirl 3 points 5 days ago[-]
You might check out Black Power, White Blood -- the Story of John Spain. I met him once a while back -- pretty amazing man and has a really good grip on what our prison system is and is becoming.
Use your power for good!
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mg0314a 36 points 6 days ago[+] (11 children)
mg0314a 36 points 6 days ago[-]
I really would be interested in learning more about your experience if you are willing to share more. I'm so sorry for what you had to go through. It makes me ashamed to be an American.
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Canadian_Infidel 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
Canadian_Infidel 1 point 5 days ago[-]
It's just as bad everywhere else.
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m1kael 15 points 6 days ago[+] (1 child)
m1kael 15 points 6 days ago[-]
Thank you for sharing Grey666, but lets be real here. To innocent people, like JesseonReddit3 (who actually posts a question like this), situation is the same as thousands and thousands of others! I know several close friends/family who have nearly identical stories.
This is the way it works in America, and its truly despicable. I am ashamed of any human being willing to go along with this system.
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jjdmol 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
jjdmol 1 point 5 days ago[-]
It's one of the reasons more and more foreigners treat the US as if it's a second world country. It really is in many aspects. Don't go there if you don't have to. Fair? Maybe not. But impressions hardly ever are.
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dahlberg123 15 points 6 days ago[+] (3 children)
dahlberg123 15 points 6 days ago[-]
Maybe you shouldn't date bitches that traffic cocaine?
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commentsforreddit 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
commentsforreddit 1 point 5 days ago[-]
This is just a horrifying story. It shows there is no more law in the US.
There has to be law enforcement or the place becomes a zoo. It's hard to say anything without seeing the actual documentation, the justice system should be just no matter what.
What we are seeing is a total deterioration of the justice system where the simple act of being accused strips you of your rights [when you don't have the money for a high-powered attorney] and never-ending persecution so that people can never rehabilitate.
This only serves to fuel the prison-industrial's need for bodies behind bars. It's bad enough when you're convicted for the actions of others, when the system is also indifferent and doesn't even bother to seem fair and just it means society itself is unraveling.
We are seeing the beginning of a severe global depression. I shudder to think what the US will look like in 10 years time.
No country for old men.
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nmcyall 1 point 5 days ago* [+] (0 children)
nmcyall 1 point 5 days ago* [-]
Was your transport outsourced to a private company, STATE EXTRADITIONS is a florida company very poor service,
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Morden013 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
Morden013 1 point 5 days ago[-]
So sorry man. I'm just happy that you managed to get things into your own hands and free yourself. Please stay strong till you are clear of probation.
One more thing - I hope that bitch dies and goes to hell.
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mattomatica 8 points 6 days ago* [+] (0 children)
mattomatica 8 points 6 days ago* [-]
So much for being "free" in America. Having just read 1984 by George Orwell, it's scary to see how bad things have gotten in real life.
People in America who are smart enough to see this problem need to start raising awareness. They need to get themselves voted into positions of power and restore the freedom of the people before it's too late.
It doesn't have to be this way and you don't need to wait for it to get so bad that you need a revolution to fix it.
It's not right that innocent people should have to go through life in constant fear of being imprisoned for something they didn't do.
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rasterized 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
rasterized 1 point 5 days ago[-]
That is so incredibly f-ed up. How old were you when this nightmare started?
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Canadian_Infidel 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
Canadian_Infidel 1 point 5 days ago[-]
I'm surprised you don't seem more vengeful.
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lychee-twist 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
lychee-twist 1 point 5 days ago[-]
Honest question, is it normal for a prisoner to pop around so much for five months of prison? That seems really odd to me. Especially on a single drug deal charge.
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shitcovereddick 5 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
shitcovereddick 5 points 6 days ago[-]
Prison life is hard, let's go shopping!
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eaturbrainz 8 points 6 days ago[+] (3 children)
eaturbrainz 8 points 6 days ago[-]
So how did you manage to get both 5.5 months and 3.5 years at the same time? How did you manage to plead guilty without an arraignment hearing to tell you the charges against you?
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grey666 12 points 6 days ago[+] (2 children)
grey666 12 points 6 days ago[-]
The Feds started using this new system - they don't actually use the legal codes anymore. They just write stuff like "Conspiracy to distribute large quantities of cocaine", that's it... that's all the indictment said. 5.5 months in prison - 3 months of that was being extradicted from the Florida Keys to Denver - where the crime happened. It took 3.5 years total to get sentenced. I was out for 3 years of that time - on a PR bond, on probation... then got 3 more years of probation at the sentencing.
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ryanh29 6 points 5 days ago* [+] (1 child)
ryanh29 6 points 5 days ago* [-]
They just write stuff like "Conspiracy to distribute large quantities of cocaine"
I actually just took my CrimLaw exam and Learned Hand (that's seriously his name), one of the more prominent judges in US history, called the conspiracy charge "that darling in the prosecutor's nursery."
Basically, a prosecutor just has to allege an agreement to commit a crime between parties. He can then rope someone like yourself in on a theory of accomplice liability. So you get lumped in with a whole drug dealing ring because you "joined the conspiracy." It's beyond fucked up and you're actually lucky that (1) there wasn't a murder or anything like that tied to the charges or (2) if there was, you weren't in a Pinkerton liability jurisdiction.
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ryanx27 2 points 5 days ago* [+] (0 children)
ryanx27 2 points 5 days ago* [-]
If Crim Law made you depressed like it did me, then do yourself a favor and take Crim Pro. It's "The Defense Strikes Back".
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walksonground 10 points 6 days ago[+] (4 children)
walksonground 10 points 6 days ago[-]
Welcome to the prison-industrial complex.
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CommentMan 11 points 6 days ago[+] (3 children)
CommentMan 11 points 6 days ago[-]
Slope jacks up about the time Reagan ramped up the War on Drugs. Hmmm.
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billwild 5 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
billwild 5 points 6 days ago[-]
Meh...Ive got friends in. Most of this is the opposite of what they tell me. Take this with a grain of salt people.
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ybbih 1 point 5 days ago[+] (0 children)
ybbih 1 point 5 days ago[-]
When they have something like ribs... half the guys go through the line three times and take the food to their cells, so 2/3 of the inmates don't get to eat.
So, let me see if I understand this...
50% of the inmates take 150% of the available meals, leaving the other ~66.6% of the inmates with no food?
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DarkSideofOZ 15 points 6 days ago[+] (5 children)
DarkSideofOZ 15 points 6 days ago[-]
I feel compelled to say "Jesus Christ man, I'm so sorry"... but I'm an atheist... So Wow... I'm sorry. I feel terrible you had to go through this because of some snide cunts lying fucking ass. FUCK that bitch, FUCK public defenders, FUCK the probation system, FUCK blanket charges, and MOTHER FUCK the prison system.
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Lemm1w1nkz 22 points 6 days ago[+] (4 children)
Lemm1w1nkz 22 points 6 days ago[-]
It makes me want to be like the guy from to kill a mocking bird, I all of a sudden want to become a really good public defender.
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rickmick 24 points 6 days ago[+] (3 children)
rickmick 24 points 6 days ago[-]
The sad part is the loans you would have to take out to go to law school will pretty much preclude you from settling on the low salary of a public defender...perverse incentives and all that.
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redditcensoredme 11 points 6 days ago[+] (2 children)
redditcensoredme 11 points 6 days ago[-]
Welcome to capitalism. Being a lawyer or a doctor is an elite profession reserved for the rich or those desperately trying to be rich.
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sjh3585 16 points 6 days ago[+] (0 children)
sjh3585 16 points 6 days ago[-]
...damn
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